BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 01:20 AM

Amos : 1 citations

OG   : 9 citations


By normal Democratic vote counting techniques, Amos is the clear winner.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Old Guy
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 01:13 AM

Kerry For "Screw Nevada" Bill, Which Was Added To Larger Budget Reconciliation Bill And Signed Into Law. (H.R. 3545, CQ Vote #419: Adopted 61-28: R 18-23; D 43-5, 12/21/87, Kerry Voted Yea

The legislation, attached to a $15.9 billion spending bill for 1988 energy and water resources programs …" H.R. 2700, CQ Vote #383: Passed 86-9: R 40-5; D 46-4, 11/18/87, Kerry Voted Yea

A vote to affirm the chair's ruling was a vote against Reid and in favor of Yucca Mountain. (H.R. 4567, CQ Vote #180: Upheld 68-29: R 39-7; D 29-22, 6/14/88, Kerry Voted Yea

Kerry Voted Against Amendment That Would Divert Money Away From Yucca Mountain. The vote was to table, or put aside, an amendment offered by Sens. Reid and Bryan (D-NV) that would have transferred money from Yucca to a drug abuse block grant program. A "Yea" vote was against Reid and Bryan. (H.R. 1158, CQ Vote #125: Agreed To 77-17: R 51-0; D 26-17, 3/30/95, Kerry Voted Yea

Kerry Voted For Radiation Standards That Were "Opposed By Nevada" And Nevada's Senators. "In 1996, [Kerry] voted in favor of radiation standards opposed by Nevada … ." Sen. Richard Bryan (D-NV) was concerned that the EPA and NRC were restricted in terms of how to apply the standards that were included in the amendment. Kerry voted for the radiation standards and Sens. Bryan and Reid voted against the standards. (Erin Neff, "Nevada Captures Attention," Las Vegas Review-Journal, 7/28/04; S. 1936, CQ Vote #256: Adopted 86-12: R 52-0; D 34-12, 7/31/96, Kerry Voted Yea

Kerry Voted To Table Amendment That Would Require Integrated Management System For Accepting, Transporting, Storing And Disposing Of Spent Nuclear Fuel To Comply With All Federal Laws And Regulations. (S. 1936, CQ Vote #258: Motion Agreed To 73-27: R 52-1; D 21-26, 7/31/96, Kerry Voted Yea

Kerry Voted To Kill Reid Amendment That Would Have Required State's Governor To Give Prior Written Consent Before Nuclear Waste Could Be Transported Through State. (S. 104, CQ Vote #36: Motion Agreed To 72-24: R 52-2; D 20-22, 4/10/97, Kerry Voted Yea

Kerry Wrote Letter To Then-Senator Frank Murkowski Asking For Expedited Waste Handling To Yucca Mountain. "Along with three other Northeast Senators, John Kerry also wrote me a letter in 1999 when I was serving as Chairman of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, asking that nuclear waste from Massachusetts be given priority shipment to 'a centralized, permanent facility.

Las Vegas Review-Journal Doubts Kerry's Claims. "Yucca Mountain has been on track for 20 years, under Democratic and Republican congresses, under Democratic and Republican presidents. Are we to pin our future on the hope that one politician can (or even wants to) change all that, based on a last-minute election-year conversion? Hardly." (Editorial, "George W. Bush For President," Las Vegas Review-Journal, 9/12/04)

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 12:34 AM

Oh, and ...aHem, there, Ol d Guy. A letter from Bush!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/02/20020215-10.html

:Presidential Letter to Congress
Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President of the Senate





February 15, 2002

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)

In accordance with section 114 of the Nuclear Waste Policy Act of 1982, 42 U.S.C. 10134 (the "Act"), the Secretary of Energy has recommended approval of the Yucca Mountain site for the development at that site of a repository for the geologic disposal of spent nuclear fuel and high level nuclear waste from the Nation's defense activities. As is required by the Act, the Secretary has also submitted to me a comprehensive statement of the basis of his recommendation.

Having received the Secretary's recommendation and the comprehensive statement of the basis of it, I consider the Yucca Mountain site qualified for application for a construction authorization for a repository. Therefore, I now recommend the Yucca Mountain site for this purpose. In accordance with section 114 of the Act, I am transmitting with this recommendation to the Congress a copy of the comprehensive statement of the basis of the Secretary's recommendation prepared pursuant to the Act. The transmission of this document triggers an expedited process described in the Act. I urge the Congress to undertake any necessary legislative action on this recommendation in an expedited and bipartisan fashion.:

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 12:27 AM

So does Factcheck.org, OG.

"An Aug 19 ad in Nevada from the liberal Democratic group Moveon.org Voter Fund attacks Bush for breaking a promise he never made, falsely claiming Bush vowed to veto legislation making Yucca Mountain a nuclear dump. Actually, all Bush promised was to veto temporary storage of nuclear waste in the state, pending final safety studies for permanent storage which he later approved.


Bush-Cheney '04 in turn attacked Kerry Aug. 23 with a misleading ad claiming the senator long supported a Yucca Mountain disposal site before promising recently do all he can to block it if elected. In fact, Kerry voted against singling out Yucca Mountain as a storage site as early as 1987."

Stop passing out these lies, will you?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 12:24 AM

Old Guy:

This web page says you're a liar.

Key Vote


Temporary Nuclear Waste Storage Facilities - Cloture




Bill Number: S 1936
Issue: Energy Issues
Date: 07/16/1996
Sponsor:



Roll Call Number: 0193
Cloture motion agreed to
Full Member List




Senator John Forbes Kerry voted NO.


Vote to bring a motion to consider a bill to establish a temporary nuclear waste storage facility at Yucca Mountain in Nevada to a vote.

S 1936: Nuclear Waste Storage Policy Act

Vote to end debate and bring to a vote a motion to consider a bill to establish a temporary nuclear waste storage facility at Yucca Mountain in Nevada for nuclear waste to be shipped to, until the Department of Energy makes a decision on a permanent waste disposal site in two years.
(Cloture motion agreed to 65-34 on 7/16/96)

Bill Status:
Bill Number: S 1936 - 104th Congress (1995-96)
Senate Passage Vote: 07/31/96 - Outcome: Passed
No further action was taken on this bill, never became law. Bill died in House Commerce, Resources and Transportation and Infrastructure committe

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Peace
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 12:15 AM

I am beginning to think that Old Guy is going to vote for Bush. Sure does talk like it.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Old Guy
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 12:10 AM

Amos:

You only need to listen to the news to learn about his voting record. I am sure you could find it on the net at a .gov site but you have to pick through a lot of crap to find it.

He voted for the nuclear waste storage facility in Nevada.

When he was stumping there today he said:

"How many broken promises do you need Nevada?" Kerry said. "But here is the biggest of all. (Bush) promised you that he wasn't going to go forward on Yucca Mountain unless it was safe.

Nevada, not on my watch".

Flip Flop Flipity Flop

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Chris Green
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 12:05 PM

"George III did not have the balls to win the war and his countrymen were to wussified."

Erm, just to clarify George III actually didn't have the marbles to win the war. He was mad. And quite a lot of Reform MPs were in agreement with the colonists. Charles Fox leaps to mind!

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 11:49 AM

OG:

I don't hagve his voting record in front of me, and since you provide no specifics, merely invective and generality, I have no basis to understand what you are looking at.

But I suspect the people of Massachusetts felt they were choosing wisely, year after year.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Sam L
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 11:45 AM

I believe if the U.S. was determined to find Osama Bin Laden, it could. Of course it could. No conspiracy theory, just different priorities. Bush is not focused on your safety or interests.

One thing I hated about Clinton was that he's a cunning and strong political opportunist. It appalled me the way he threw people overboard for little media tiffs with no substance. He didn't stand behind his people. He was loyal to himself.

Bush is a weak and very dependent political opportunist. No matter how appallingly and substantially his people screw up, he can't do anything but try to put a good face on it. I didn't vote twice for Clinton, and much less will I vote for a leader who can't actually lead. The boy needs help, always has, always will. Never grew a spine.

Strong on the economy. Bush. Look, I didn't believe the rosy news of the Clinton years, and I don't believe Bush is strong on the economy by a long shot. Looking at overall figures is like reporting how many points were scored in sports last week--it doesn't tell you anything you care to know about what happened. What happened during the Clinton years was that they counted the Gross National Product by adding in "value added" dollars. This might include all sorts of tech add-ons that virtually nobody uses anyway. It includes a lot of crap, and that's why pretty much nobody else counts it that way. Also, it's harder than ever to figure how much anyone produces in a work-hour because people are working from everywhere, who knows when.

What's happening with Bush is that extremely wealthy people are gathering big sums and doing less with it. It's not capitalism, or even trickle-down, it's sloth. Nobody can say they want to do away with social security, but it looks like they may force a crisis, then say sorry, what can we do? What they could have done was to be responsible public servants. When I say Bush doesn't know what it means to serve, I'm not dredging up his military record, I'm just talking about his presidency.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Old Guy
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 12:20 AM

Amos:

George III did not have the balls to win the war and his countrymen were to wussified.

Kerry was unconcious. He voted asinst everything Regan wanted to end the cold war. We won the cold war despite Kerry's Wrong votes at the Wrong time for the Wrong reasons.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 12:01 AM

Booboo:

Thanks for the reasonable voice. I think we agree that the whole scene needs to be fairly faced.

I believe I am doing that. I am not pulling punches, but I am open to realistic and reasonable communication.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,BooBoo
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:31 PM

Okay, I would like to make my opinion heard also. My opinion is Kerry is quite Liberal and sways with voters. But sometimes that is how politions operate. In Iraq right now security is somewhat of a problem but there are many improvements that the press does not publish because it doesn't make a good story in the media. Kerry has served his country and he should not be looked down on because he put his life on line. You shouldn't judge someone's military service and put it towards his canidacy for president. One downfall that Bush has created was the creditability of America. But that usually happens during times of war. After wars are over you have to rebuild that creditability back. Both Kerry and Bush have made many mistakes in their political life but I am a person who looks at those and sees the nature of it. One thing Bush needs to do is bring some creditablity back to USA with a few more allies but Kerry should not rely totally on a International Coalition. Economically Bush is quite strong because he brought us through Sept. 11, 2 wars, and a recession. That is quite a challenge. Now one thing democrats always fight about is health care and the national deficit. That is a very old fight that has never changed. Political parties should debate about the true problems that can be fixed and not about a old topic that politicians never change.

TO:OLD GUY
I respect your opinion but you seem a little worked up. Just to tell you is that you shouldn't let a label that says DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN sway the way you think. You should be you and don't let a political label get to you. Even this may not be a mere debate your opinion is welcomed. No offense but your organ grinder mark sounds a little funny.

TO:AMOS
I feel some people here are blowing a bit too much steam. Yes I agee we should pay attention that people are dieing in Iraq everyday. But I feel we should also look at the goods and bads combined.

TO:Everyone
Learn to make your choice wisely when it's time to vote. If you feel Bush deserves another term vote Bush. If you want the USA to go in a different direction Vote Kerry. But always ask yourself who you feel would be best to lead this country down the path that you feel is right. Last don't let a Label that says Democrat or Republican control the way you vote. Vote the way you feel is right.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:25 PM

A National Guard contingent of Alaskans left this week for training in Texas (ironic, wot?) in preparation for an 18-month deployment to Iraq. Two of them are people I know- a 56-year-old neighbor and the 19-year-old son of a friend of mine. The boy's mother is heartsick- her son doesn't want to go but sees no way out of it; the man won't be here to see his daughter graduate.

This kind of thing is happening all across the country. I understand and accept that the "coalition of the willing" cannot be expected to just cut and run from Iraq without longterm harm to the Iraqis- But what in the world was the Bush Administration THINKING when they started this war? The very idea of not having an exit plan is grounds for impeachemnt right there, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 09:57 PM

Balls, Old Guy.

Kerry was serving his nation in the Congress of the United States when the Soviet Union came apart.

It was honorable service, voting his conscience as he understood it.    Whether you agreed with his votes or not, those whom he represented returned him back to that congress year after year.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 09:43 PM

Concur, concur, concur, Fred.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 09:40 PM

Well, let's put BUsh into perspective like this... I heard a woman on the bus last week talking about a letter she got from her son in Iraq. In this letter he said, these are REAL quotes now,
"I don't know how the election's going over there, but I sure wouldn't vote for my commander-in-chief."

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 09:34 PM

I saw Kerry on TV today saying "We won the cold war didn't we?

Who the fuck was "We"? We did not include Kerry because he voted against the steps that Regan took to deafeat the Commies.

That arrogant asshole is trying to take credit for what others did despite his opposition.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Sam L
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 09:19 PM

Even if the answer were to shoot back until they're all dead, Bush has still blown it, with overconfidence, poor planning, bad thinking, careless of the cost. Now, trying to make it sound better than it is doesn't help make it better. He's no war president--should've listened to Generals instead of political buddies. He's not a friend of the soldier.

A friend of mine lost his father a few weeks ago. The man served 32 years, and waited 8 hours to be seen when he was sick, no offer of food, no offer of something to drink. I wish people would look past Bush's pose. He doesn't know what it means to serve. Those who do are beginning to look for better leadership, and they deserve it.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:48 PM

That was probably what George III thought he was doing in the Colonies, eh?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:40 PM

The answer is shoot back until they are all dead.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 04:28 PM

Well, I don't know whyy you keep grinding your useless old organ, OG. No, I guess I don't get it.

Beer? Sure. As for fanatacism, I learned the hard way recently that being complaisant leads to catastrophes. Small children dying in the sand, for example. Cars full of women being shot to smithereens by scared young Marines. Stuff like that.

So, if it is all the same to you, I'll be vociferous. At least until some change begins to make itself felt.

Forty-odd newly trained Iraqi policemen were executed this week, to the absolute shame of their fanatic murderers over there.

Americans are dying left and right over there.

SOmeone has got to do something.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:57 AM

Amos:

Don't you get it? I am the organ grinder and you are the monkey.

Kerry supporters are such fanatics.

You want to come over and have a beer? How about you Nerd & Brucie?

BooBoo:

Yes this is more than a mere debate. It is a win at any cost Democratic Jihad.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:31 AM

Thanks, Booboo.

There is more to this than mere debate.

But, however, I appreciate your kind remarks.

I'll try to be more temperate.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,BooBoo
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:11 AM

What is the big deal here. This thread as I have read was created because of what Kerry said about Allawi. First, if you wish to debate that is good but learn to respect other's opinions. I am not going to say Kerry is an Asshole but some of his comments about Allawi was kind of disrespectful from a point of view. As I said before we and the politicians are all human and make mistakes. As a professional I feel Kerry should have not made those remarks about Allawi but that is sometimes the way politicians work. Bush on the other hand isn't a total genius but not a asshole. Kerry has a stance I do not agree with especially because he is quite Independent and Liberal. But that is not always a bad thing depends on the situation. Bush stands on firm ground usually and doesn't waiver. So out of personal opinion I feel Bush would be better. But I am not going to go and smear Kerry he is just like you and me.

TO: AMOS
I respect you as a person and have read some of your replies to Old Guy. You have a stance that I see that you think you are correct at everything and nothing wrong with that. But you need to relax a little and learn to accept other peoples point of view also. Take it easy this is just a small debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 01:22 AM

Well, OG, if this is your confession that you are trolling instead of communicating and exchanging viewpoints, it comes as no surprise.

Sorry to have let youtake up so much oif my time.

Why don't you and Looney boy both crawl into the dank, shadowy, antisocial crevices you came out of.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 12:17 AM

Amos:

So why was another thread started to counter act this one?

If everybody ignores this one it will go away.

Actually I laid a trap for you in my last post and it worked.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 06:31 PM

Excuse me very much OG, but the number of upsets your bullshit causes and the number of angry people who jump up in protest and post in an effrt to straighten the bull out is NOT an indication of how many people agree with your thread, which was infantile in its first conception.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Old Guy
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 04:15 PM

BooBoo:

Very good reasoning. If you read the first post you will see the reason for this thread.

At first I was not opposed to Kerry but as the campaign progressed, I became opposed because of his negativity. When I saw him downing Alawi, I decided to take anti-Kerry action.

Some annonymous person started a thread to counter this one and as you can see this one has over twice as many posts, proving that over twice as many people think Kerry is an asshole than think Bush is an asshole.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,BooBoo
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 04:03 PM

Is that all you can't talk about Kerry is a asshole or Bush is a big liar. One thing all people forget is they are human and this is politics. Politics is a mind game. All Bush and Kerry want are to rule the Nation. There is nothing exactly wrong with it but you must ask yourself who would lead this country in the direction you feel is right. Leaders need to take a stand and stay firm. They also need to feel the people and what they need. I don't call Kerry a asshole or a genius. Neither would I call Bush a complete liar or a truthful man. The fact is they are humans who are not perfect like everyone else. By personal opinion I like Bush but that is only opinion. You shouldn't smear someone's image if you don't want your image to be smeared. Respect one's choice and stop pointing fingers. Not one canidate is better than the other they just have different qualities and stances.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Old Guy
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:56 PM

Amos:

No data that goes against what you believe is ever going to satisfy you. I searched on GNP and the first thing I found was the chart so I used that.

You accuse me of shopping until I found the right set of Data. I am not your enemy. We do have some common ground.

You said the number I quoted from Paul Harvey was bogus. Then you start babbling about the stock market, ratios, federal debt, foreign whatever.

My statement was about the GNP and the number was 4% not 3%. I had a hard time finding any site that stated the GNP growth rate and the first one I found was in Canada. When I found it said there was a slight shrinkage in the last three months I stated it so you couldn't jump me about that.

Take a deep breath.

Nightbird: Run that by me again.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:30 PM

"Your OLD road is rapidly fading. Get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, 'cause the times they are a-changin'"

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:15 PM

Oh, here's an analysis of our business ratio between inventory and sales. Note the distressing change in trend around 2002.

Inventory to Sales Ratio: Total Business.

I agree there are some statistics you can find that make things look better. I think you have to take the whole picture into account.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:10 PM

Here, OG -- the Federal Debt Held By Foreign Investors. Notice the strange reversal around 2002.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 10:59 PM

OG:

The chart you have chosen as your analytic representation is of a scale such that it shows the over all trend which the country has been on since 1948.

You're not going to see anything from that perspective which has any bearing on things. It is like taking a picture of Earth from Arcturus and saying "WEar? I don't see any trouble there!"

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Old Guy
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 10:45 PM

Amos, Victor of the Bush is an arrogant asshole thread and firm believer that the sky is falling:

If you do some research, you will see that the stock market usually dives near Oct. 13th every year. It is like an echo of the crash of '29.

In spite of rising oil prices, the economy is growing faster and faster, disappointing the gloom and doom Kerryites. The reason is where oil accounted for 1/3rd of our GNP during the last oil crisis, it now accounts for only 1/5 of our GNP.

The other 4/5ths of the economy is growing faster than the 1/5th related to oil is shrinking.


Now here is a link to an article with a graph of the growth of the GNP. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GDP/106/10yrs

You will see a slight slowdown between 1999 and 2001, before Bush took office. That was the bursting of the Internet bubble during the Clinton years.

It satrts climbing again and flattens out for a few months between 2001 and 2003. That was 9/11.

Then you will see it climbing again until it gets to about mid 2003 where it suddenly ramps up and starts growing at a faster rate. That was the effect of Bush's evil tax cuts.

Unless I missed something we are still on that faster growth rate which is steeper than anything seen during the Clinton years back to 1995.

Here is a blow up of 2000 to the present http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GDP

Just because I report good news you have to spin it into bad news in true Kerry style,

Now instead of bitching at me about what I reported that Paul Harvey said. Why don't you call him a liar?

You can go to paulharvey.com and hear him say what I said he said.

Here is corroboration on the 4% number for the third quarter of 04:
http://www.canada.com/news/business/story.html?id=e351a7f1-9684-4ec2-96b3-6a60bec8a483

To be perfectly honest though, which I always am, there was a slowdown of .3% in July and August and .1% in September

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 03:44 PM

That 3% APR growth is bogus as a three-dollar bill , fellas:

gauges tumble on worries about earnings growth, energy prices. Dow down 1%, Nasdaq falls 2%.
October 22, 2004: 6:41 PM EDT
By Alexandra Twin, CNN/Money Staff Writer





NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Stocks slumped Friday, with the Dow falling to its lowest level in nearly 11 months, on fears about rising oil prices and the outlook for corporate profits.


The Dow Jones industrial average (down 107.95 to 9,757.81, Charts) lost 1.1 percent, closing at its lowest point since late November 2003.


The broader Standard & Poor's 500 (down 10.75 to 1,095.74, Charts) index lost around 1 percent and the Nasdaq composite (down 38.48 to 1,915.14, Charts) fell 2 percent.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 10:14 AM

Paul Harvey speaking yesterday was the source of the statement about the growth of the economy. He did not mention Bush or Kerry. It was not sandwiched between political stories, just random stuff like he always does. I think you can listen to it here paulharvey.com.

If anybody has different numbers, post them.

Amos:

About the offenses by the other side, there are some offenses but the Democrats spin every single possible little thing to make it a bad thing. Example: It is a bad thing if Cheney gets a flu shot but it is OK if Clinton gets a flu shot.

The title of this thread was chosen to capture people's attention and admittedly to stir up some a controversy. I got angered when Kerry put down Alawi on TV and I said I have to do something to make people question Kerry. This thread is that something.

It is what I call "Boil Bursting". If something keeps growing and festering and does not seem to be going away soon so I say "We need to burst this boil before it kills us". Kerry is that boil on America's ass.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Sam L
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 09:39 AM

BB, even if the Gore campaign tried to abuse the process, even if it tried more than the Bush camp--which doesn't seem to me to add up from the news accounts--it's hard for me to see how cheating and losing does more damage to faith in any system than cheating and winning. Many's the court case where distortions are presented to serve the interests of each side, but the ones that erode faith aren't the ones where the case is stretched, the process taken advantage of, but that party loses.

That's what doesn't make sense to me. I'm not going to quibble over the factual basis--what's the point, now? I accepted the outcome and hoped things would go better. Unlike you, I'm far more scared of Bush.

   His strength seems to me a weakness. He can't say no to his chums and friends. That's not strength, or leadership, politically speaking. But I'm sure it makes him a likeable regular guy, to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:57 AM

Yes, I'm sure your right. I have been opinionated and loud.

Distortion began -- for this thread-- with the title of the thread, chosen by the first poster.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:39 AM

Amos,

If the facts are falsified, TRY challanging the FACTS, and not the person.

If there is distortion here, I suspect ( trying to be polite) that you have made a significant contribution.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:29 AM

OK, BB. You're right. You probably do have some very real and valid things to say.

Between falsified statistics and distortions there is very little room around here for a decent conversation, I concur.

Old Guy claims the economy is booming along at 4% per annum growth rate.

Is he kidding?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:24 AM

Amos,

There you go, stating YOUR opinion as if it were fact. IMO, the net offenses were greater on the part of the Gore campaign- Yet you have set yourself up as the superior party that MUST be obeyed.

It is the people like you that are making sure that those who might still be undecided, but who look for the fairness of the two sides, will be voting for Bush. Your continued failure to admit that the opposing side might actually have a point, and perhaps you need to address that, rather than order the world's compliance with your wish, does not make the side you support look any better than the image of the Bush administration that you are shoving down our throats.


Do you really think that your statement of opinion will be accepted by any thinking person as fact, when you fail to give any reason other than "because I want it that way" ?

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:23 AM

Brucie:

Bush is not the best with some policies but I like him as a person. He is real, faults and all. And he puts the nation's security as his top priority. Even if he was as lousy as Nixon, he would be better than Kerry.

I think Kerry is not real, not honest and not likeable as a person. He is on both sides of every issue. He is a liberal eliteist, the kind that thinks he is so much smarter than ordinary people and he is grabbing for power. I can't trust him.

The rotten Bush Economy that grew at an annualized rate of 3.4% in the second quarter of 2004, grew at a rate of 4% in the 3rd quarter.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:15 AM

BB:

You know, it is possible there were errors on both sides.

But the net offenses were far heavier on the Bush side. He railroaded the electoral process. I expect he will try to do so again.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:12 AM

Amos,

You insist on stating your view as the truth- I have already asked about the places where Gore FOUGHT the recount, which you continue to ignore. Why is your warped view of what happened to be considered more valid than my (perhaps) warped view? YOU are the one who is acting the way you claim Bush is- Never admit you might be wrong, Never allow anyone else to have an opinion that differs with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:06 AM

Sorry I upset you, BB.

Your theft of my communication and then inverting it to pervert its meaning, and call it simply your own communication, was an underhanded maneuver. At least compose your own original thoughts.

The trust in the process was not broken by the Gore campaign. The Gore campaign asked for and received a recount of votes in a state which had been railroaded by Repubolican management, voters being disenfranchised illegally, ballots being miscounted, and the whole stew laid directly at the door of Bush and Harris, the Republic administrators of the state election.

THAT distortion, and the fraudulent news-casting by Fox's Bushie insiders, was what rotted the faith of Americans in the electoral process. That, and the blatant and arrogant use of influence to over-ride the State supreme court and (in my opinion) bring about injustice at the hands of a bought Federal Supreme Court.

To my view you are being either disingenuous or intentionally obtuse, I am not sure which. But that is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 01:45 AM

Fred Miller,

Let me correct my statement-

The Gore CAMPAIGN actually broke the trust of Americans in the electoral process. I only hope that Bush can mend it, by sweeping the polls and by preventing slimeball legalistic maneuvers intended to pervert the process.

My apologies if my anger at the biased viewpoint presented by Amos caused me to be less than precise.


Brucie,

Speaking for myself, and not OG, I DON'T like Bush- But I fear far more what Kerry would do to this country. Or maybe I should just say " Because he is not Kerry". Had the Dems been running someone FOR president, such as Lieberman, I would have a much harder choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 01:36 AM

Do you think the Republic tactics will be different from last election?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Peace
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 10:40 PM

Old Guy,

Tell us why you like Bush, SVP.