God still with me 2008

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 11:56 AM

Amos - interesting. My personal theory is that faith preceded intelligence in our evolution, so I would expect that any discovery of a known religion, if you dug deeper, would be over top of some earlier, forgotten belief.
Kind of like the early anthropologists in North America, who would dig down to the Clovis layer and then stop, because they already *knew* that the Clovis people were the first ones here. It wasn't until somebody thought to keep digging that earlier settlements were found.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Bob Pacquin
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 11:12 AM

Well, Old Bob saw this apocalypse coming. All kind folks of Mudcat have opened the door to the Devil, and, being the kind and welcoming, tolerant types that they are, didn't even make him take his shoes off at the security gate. If you had, you'd have seen the cloven hoof.

The Devil is real, and now you know it,because he has possessed Slag, who is now spitting the nastiest, most sulphurous pea soup that you can get without a prescription. You weakly little mortals should have known better than summon him up with that cute christian tweaking chatter, because now he's pretty much going to eat you alive, and no one can save you.

Bob can tell you a fair amount about religion, because he had the great fortune to grow up smack dab in the middle of the Dutch Reformed Triangle, where no one has smiled for one hundred years, because it betrays a lack of piety.

And the Bobmeister learned the hard way that the bitter, woodenshoed Calvinists are masters logic and argumentation. They can argue seven ways from Sunday on the smallest, most obscure point of doctrine. And even if you take good notes, you'll never be able to figure out how one side differs from the other.

Why do they do this? After years of contemplation, Old Bob has come to the conclusion that they do it because they are cheapskates.

The Dutch Reformed folks never go to the movies, or shopping, or even the ball game. They say it is a sin, but really, the reason is that it costs money. Theological arguements are free, and they last longer that a twi-night double header that goes into extra innings.

As a young man, your friend here had an enquiring mind, and read through the bible cover to cover. After that, he was very confused, because try as he might, when he looked at how the God-fearing, Bible-waving Calvinists around him lived, he just couldn't see what it had to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Bob told his Maiden Aunt that on reflection, he felt that "God's People" were really a bunch of backbiting, cheapskate hypocrites, and that, except for the Tulip Festival, they had nothing on anyone else.

She said, "When you were born, I could see that God had marked you for eternal damnation. I'm going to call the FBI."

So he grabbed his banjo, and his girlfriend and they left.

But as they were leaving, she turned around to look back. No, she wasn't turned into a Pillar of Salt, but even today, you can still find her standing near the windmill in Zeeland, Michigan, where she wears wooden shoes, a bonnet, and an apron, and sells Fudge.

This is why, in his home town, at least, Bob is still called, "Bob the Atheist". This is actual a contraction of "Bob,the Atheistic Communist Bastard", which is too long to write out on an envelope.

But it is also where Old Bob learned to stay out of religious discussions. He knows that they are just a cheapskate trick to avoid ponying up for a movie or a ballgame.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 11:08 AM

Along with Kats book another one that may be of interest is Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman

Any literalist should take a stab at it. I'm like PBM in that I don't believe in the Holy Crap Shoot. I don't believe in hell - I don't think God gives up on us. That's ascribing human traits to God - and I don't think that works.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 10:45 AM

I won't even mention the totally literal translation which is being touted here. Just among Christians, THAT is up for a lot of debate, let alone the rest of us.

Slag, since preaching is this thread, I would suggest you get a copy of the Metaphysical Bible Dictionary by James Dillet Freeman and read it, carefully. Much different story when you understand the actual ancient language meanings of the Bible writings.

Remember "God is Love" and that is all that really needs to be said, imo. I've always felt that people who go on and on about being saved, sinning, wrath of god, etc., doth protest too much...it's as though they are constantly having to reassure themselves through badgering the rest of us. Just my opinion.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 10:33 AM

The fact is, there is nothing a person can do to save himself from the grave and Hell. Rather salvation is a gift from God and received by acknowledging Jesus as His Son and our Saviour (John 3:16).

So... this god person.... decides whether he's going to save you or not, and if he decides not to... punishes you with eternal torture? Because it's your fault that he decided not to perhaps?

Come off it, if you believe that's good, you mean something completely different by the word good. I'd call the god's mind psychopathic and his worshippers despicable sycophants.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 10:06 AM

An Altar Beyond Olympus for a Deity Predating Zeus

PHILADELPHIA — Before Zeus hurled his first thunderbolt from Olympus, the pre-Greek people occupying the land presumably paid homage and offered sacrifices to their own gods and goddesses, whose nature and identities are unknown to scholars today.

But archaeologists say they have now found the ashes, bones and other evidence of animal sacrifices to some pre-Zeus deity on the summit of Mount Lykaion, in the region of Greece known as Arcadia. The remains were uncovered last summer at an altar later devoted to Zeus.

Fragments of a coarse, undecorated pottery in the debris indicated that the sacrifices might have been made as early as 3000 B.C., the archaeologists concluded. That was about 900 years before Greek-speaking people arrived, probably from the north in the Balkans, and brought their religion with them.
...

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 09:13 AM

I can see both sides here. Slag - I don't think you can say that these people reject God. It would be like saying that you reject unicorns. You can't reject what you don't believe. So a lot of what you say just doesn't apply.

But Bill - when you say "....please...this is NOT the place for preaching and proselytizing." I have to disagree. The thread is clearly marked - look at the title again. This IS the place when someone should preach if they are so inclined. You chose to open this clearly marked thread. If Slag had said some of the same things in any of the music, political or Shatner threads I'd agree with you.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 08:55 AM

I've always thought that if we could just forget our petty differences, we WOULD be "as" gods.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:37 AM

If Jesus maintains a torture chamber for those who cross him, Jesus is as bad as any human being and those who worship him are no better than those who worship any human dictator.

I bet you don't really believe that, it's just another of those little "mysteries" that it doesn't pay to probe too much.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Feb 08 - 11:48 PM

I've said very little so far, and what I have said has tried to be calm & concilitary conciliatory....but man!

"The imperative of the Gospel is that there IS a Heaven and a Hell and whoever's name does not appear in the Book of Life will go to Hell and eternal torment."

Well...it comes out. I had not seen it stated so bluntly here before. Fear & panic & authority are the guiding principles.

Ok, Slag...there's little discussion to be had when one side is totally sure that 2000 years of ambiguous interpretations of dubious translations of random collections of old parchments STILL is "truth" and that my eternal soul (whatever that might be) is doomed because *I* am not willing to buy into all that.

Slag....it's been a few years since I had to say this to anyone here, but....please...this is NOT the place for preaching and proselytizing.
We know you are a dedicated, believing Christian...and you know some of us are not. Posts like your last one are statements which allow no discussion, and raise the hackles of those who do not accept your basic assumptions about the nature of reality.
It's time to move on.....

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 04 Feb 08 - 11:26 PM

The first lie of Satan as recorded in the Genesis story was that "...ye shall be as gods!" Slag

Greater things than I have done, ye shall do. Jesus

For verily I say unto you, the kingdom of heaven is within you. Jesus


Hellfire and brimstone. Who ya gonna believe around here?



A

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Slag
Date: 04 Feb 08 - 10:27 PM

Yes, all welcome but blac---, er I mean Christians! You can hold any opinion as long as it doesn't involve Jesus Christ. All others welcome! Put Him in the closet and keep Him there. The light that He shines can bring no good! He's so divisive.

You can see so well that you will help us poor unenlightened conservatives to see the TRUE political path which is firmly rooted in a liberal, or rather, progressive mind set ( which rejects God and asserts the Man has the highest truth and awareness and that human reason trumps everything).

The first lie of Satan as recorded in the Genesis story was that "...ye shall be as gods!" Yet, there it is. You reject God and assert yourselves as God. You can look at the story as a fable, as the words of men and dismiss it but the truth is still there and that's what you really don't want to hear.

But, you know, that's the nature of Christianity. It flies in the face of everything the world asserts is good. To the Greek foolishness, to the Jew a stumbling block. Paul's word, not mine. The traits of Christianity and its demeanor read like a list from "opposites day". The first shall be last and the last shall be first. The greatest among you must be servant to all. He who seek to save his life shall lose it but he who shall lose his life for my sake that same shall find it. I did not come to call the righteous unto repentance but sinners. Perhaps the ultimate affront to human pride is the assertion "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes unto the father except by me." Paul iterates this in Acts (4:12b)"...for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." The Gospel IS offensive. This is a well known and well stated fact in Christian theology. In fact it becomes a real issue in Christian churches which have compromised their message in trying to please the world, the lost.

Becoming a Christian is humiliating but whoever humbles themselves in the sight of the Lord shall be exalted. Some more of that "opposite stuff. The imperative of the Gospel is that there IS a Heaven and a Hell and whoever's name does not appear in the Book of Life will go to Hell and eternal torment. And I have been so close to that that I cannot begin to describe the utter terror that it brings to mind. It's real. It is the reality that I believe everyone tries to deny and run away from either consciously or subconsciously. That's the part that really stinks to the unsaved. "Hey, I'm a good person. I don't need your God. Don't tell me I'm going to Hell. How dare you!

If you have ever really read the Bible through you would know that this is the reason why Christ was hated and his disciples and the apostles were hated and beaten and jailed and killed. He told the Pharisees (the Republicans or conservative of that day) that their righteousness was as filthy as a rag used to wipe one's self with as far as God was concerned. The Sadducees (the liberals of the day) didn't fair any better. His truth was that ALL had sinned and come short of the glory of God. ALL. The simple part of this is that God still loves us, with an obsession you might say. So much that He was willing to send His anointed one to die a miserable death and suffer the Hell we deserve as a means for us of escaping His righteous sentence which was also enumerated in the Genesis account. The fact is, there is nothing a person can do to save himself from the grave and Hell. Rather salvation is a gift from God and received by acknowledging Jesus as His Son and our Saviour (John 3:16). Sermon? Maybe in topic but no more preachment than I have read in many of these threads in Mudcat.

That is certainly not light hearted banter from me but the harsh critics of my belief statement have no problem with a serious a scathing criticism of my belief so in terms of fair play, there you have it.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Feb 08 - 03:12 PM

If you want it to be seen as "lighhearted banter", GS, you'd be better of f using an emoticon, i.e. :-) to indicate since we cannot see any gestures or facial expressions. I agree with Amos's take on it.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Feb 08 - 02:06 PM

Thanks, GregF!

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 06:33 PM

I don't see why he thought it necessary to proclaim it

That's one of the more annoying traits of "believers', isn't it? They are apparently compelled to do so, most usually at inappropriate and inconvenient times.

... repeating the same things without reasoning, without logic, and without evidence to back them up.

I don't think I've ever seen a better short definition of religion than this!

Cheers-

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 05:04 PM

LOL sorry Amos...just light hearted banter you know.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 03:52 PM

GS:

That remark is exactly the sort of sanctimony that gets you in trouble. It is condescending and sanctimonious. I am sorry if this is hard to hear, or hard to see, but I assure you, lad, 'tis so.

A

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 03:30 PM

Stringsinger.....sorry you don't obviously know God personally..you don't know what you're missing! He's your God too.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 03:14 PM

Preaching on Mudcat? Who would think of such a thing. :)

Keep your god, Slag as long as you keep him out of the public square. Keep him away from politics if you please.

You are entitled to your opinions as long as I have the right to question their validity.

Frank

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 05:05 PM

The whole episode was strange inasmuch as I felt I recognised the surroundings which included a wall of pale green glass tiles which had strong light from the sun shining through...I knew the woman was coming through the door...and I knew what she looked like before she did.......I must add to that I had not seen her go into the room beforehand. I guess at 14 yrs of age it was quite scary and I was ...and maybe still am..... a little bemused by it.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 12:04 PM

Actually, GS' story goes beyond deja vue and is not covered in neuro literature, as he explicitly and objectively made an accurate prediction to someone. So it was not a falsifying feedback loop. It was a genuine precognition, or an excellent guess.


A

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 11:15 AM

Deja vu is well-explained in the neuro literature.

M.Ted, what have I said "without reasoning, without logic, and without evidence?" I'm pretty sure I have data behind my conclusions.

I have had several dreams that then came true. They are always about something completely trivial, like dreaming that my Style section was torn, and then Sunday, my Style section is torn. Once I dreamt that, coming back from an upcountry trip in Africa, my parents would have moved the night of the ministers' dinner party and we'd come back in the middle of it, filthy and stinking, and we did. I have not taken any of these as evidence for the supernatural, personally, but I can see how one might. Especially if I would have dreamed something important, like my Dad being killed by terrorists or something... but I never do.

And I haven't had one of those since adolescence...

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 08:49 AM

These tales do not, for me, point to divine intercession, but to the intense spiritual capabilities that lie within the individual, should he choose to use them.

A

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:39 AM

And how can we explain deja-vu...I went on a school exchange scheme when I was a tender 14 yrs of age and was sat in the school of the lad I would stay with..with all the other pupils from my school who were on the same trip. I suddenly felt I knew where I was and what would happen next. I turned to a lad galled Gary and said "A woman will walk through that door and acroos to the other door and say "Bonjour mes garcons"...which less than a half minute later she did".....I have no idea why this happened....did it happen before....did I know it would happen as part of my untapped brain is already pre-programmed to receive it?

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Slag
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 02:24 AM

Yes indeed. It's things like that that make you really wonder abouot this existence. You know that might make another good thread. Less argumentative: Incredibile, Credible Incidence!

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 12:21 AM

That's a great story, man.

A

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Nickhere
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 10:16 PM

correction "....as IF they were hanging on a clothes line..."

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Nickhere
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 10:13 PM

Slag - yes, I have had many strange examples of pre-cognition in my life. Some of these i attribute to my direct call on God. Others are a bit more odd.

One of the oddest, and most pointless concerns a time I went mountain walking with some friends. This is a favourite hobby of mine. Well on the day in question we'd arrived at a ridge up at around 800 metres and a strong wind was blowing straight towards us over the ridge. The wind was gusting at around 50 mph at times. We sat with our backs to some rocks and had a few sandwiches. One of my friends gave my wife his spare gortex waterproof pants to sit on as the grass was wet. As she stood up for one moment to reach for soemthing a sudden gust whipped the pants away off to the east. As they sailed away into the distance my friend gasped "there goes 70 quid worth of pants". Hardly even realising I was saying it I blurted out "Oh, they'll be back!" Having travelled several hundred yards they did indeed suddenly turn and head straight back towards us! They stopped at the ridge where we were sitting and suddenly shot 50 feet straight up in the air as they were hanging on a clothes line. The legs swang wildly like some kind of crazy Riverdance and as we stared open mouthed the pants suddenly dropped down on teh ground about a metre from where they'd taken off from. Of course we quickly grabbed them!

Now atmospheric conditions and the topography can easily explain why the pants came back (if one knows enough meteorology) but I still can't explain just how I knew without question the pants would return!

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Nickhere
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 10:02 PM

Amos "all nature being of God's nature, he is the sum of it all"

I'm not quite sure what you have in mind here, but it sounds like pantheism? The Christian view is that God is not simply the sum of visible nature in the same way as the potter is not simply the sum of all the cups, plates and bowls he produces, though we can see something of his personality stamped on the things he made.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 08:52 PM

Hmmm. God not being natural raises some important challenges. It imposes a duality on existence which flies the face of human reason, even human spiritual reason. I think the division is artificial, actually, and that all nature being of God's nature, he is the sum of it all. As far as words allow such a concept anyway. If that is the correct picture of existence, than you and Mrrzy are both on the same Quest, just riding different steeds.


A

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Slag
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 08:50 PM

Has anyone here ever experienced precognition? Many have at one time or another as well as experiences that defy explanation. The cause? I don't know. I can't even guess why. Maybe God, maybe something wholly other. But science cannot explain it either. Does that mean it is not real?

Here is one small example, again, my own experience. At my place of employment, some years ago, there was a coffee machine that had poker hands stamped on the cups. I almost always brought my own coffee so seldom used the machine but one day I walked in the break room and told the guys standing around that I was going to hit four aces on the coffee machine. I somehow knew it. Any of you epistemologists want to have a crack at what constitutes human "knowing" go ahead. I'd love for someone to explain it to me. I dropped my coins in, down dropped the cup and in went the coffee (if you could call it that). I lifted the cup over my head and sure enough 4 aces. You should have seen the looks I got from everyone. They told me to go buy a lottery ticket! What did it mean? I have know idea. Why did it happen? Don't know. What difference did it make in the world? None that I can tell. Could science explain it? Not really. The only explanation science could offer involves probability but it was the absolute spontaneous knowledge of the event before it happened that is the amazing feature of the incident.

I include this little story to this thread to demonstrate that science has it limitations. The human mind has its limitations. The human brain is part and parcel of time/space and is thus limited. The soul and the spirit are something else though I couldn't begin to delineate where the mind/body leave off and the purely soul/spirit begin. It is too well integrated to make such a clear distinction analytically. Yet in my experience there are moments where one stands out completely from the other.

Is this thread drift? Don't make the Poker Gods angry!

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Nickhere
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 08:21 PM

However the physical world may contain clues of the supernatural presence of a guiding and sentient God. You know, the way distant planets are not discovered by being observed directly but due to their effects on the light coming from distant stars. We know they are there by inference though we cannot see them directly (no equipment powerful enough).

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Nickhere
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 08:15 PM

Hmm. Good question Amos. If by 'natural' you mean the visible, quantifiable empirical world, then I suppose the answer must be 'No' since God (as we understand Him) supersedes all that. That would make Him supernatural ('beyond/above nature')

This would also explain why God cannot be explained or measured by science: science is a system designed to explain the only natural world.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 07:54 PM

Well, is God natural or not?

A

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Nickhere
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 07:29 PM

Mrr: " The whole point of faith is belief without knowledge. If it were from knowledge, it wouldn't be belief"

I think you are confusing the term 'knowledge' with the term 'empirical data' or using them interchangeably.

Someone may have 'knowledge' of God or of the metaphysical world without that knowledge necessarily being demonstrable according to current scientific empirical standards. It should be obvious that this does not make it knowledge any the less.

You also say "Sure, there are cures that defy current explanation. These are not, however, evidence of the supernatural. Just because what we know now of the natural world as learned through science can't explain something does not mean that the answer has to be supernatural"

Of course. But both the circumstances and the dramatic nature of the cures against all medical and scientific odds defintiely demands our closer attention. These were not just common colds cleared up by the power of positive thinking. Something much more dramatic has occured here. In both cases the subjects were also sceptics who demanded, half in scepticism, that God act and interevene. They did not spend hours in thoughtful prayer or build up to the cure over months of religious preparation. And in both cases in the very moment when the two subjects challenged God to act, something physical did indeed occur.

The general reasoning of your post seems to be that one distant day empirical science will be able to explain everything that currently is classed as supernatural. It may have done so in many cases, but there's no guarantee it will be able to do so in all cases.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 03:39 PM

"Thank God there are still a few Christians here.."

Am I the only one who sees the tautology in that? Seems like if God had full control over it all, there'd be more....or maybe more Muslims or Jainists - who knows?

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 01:50 PM

"I note no one's gone into the Imbolc thread and told the people there it's all nonsense."

I've noticed that too. Why do they get a pass? It seems like when it comes to the religions that must be rejected and objected to that Christianity tops the list. Anyone for fair play?

Or better yet - maybe we shouldn't trash ANYONES religious or nonreligious beliefs. Naaaa - that's too hard.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: M.Ted
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 01:46 PM

Whatever you may think is true, and whatever you may know, Mrrzy, you've been repeating the same things without reasoning, without logic, and without evidence to back them up.

In the common parlance, ranting and raving...

Granted, everyone does it from time to time, but it isn't much use in bolstering the case for science and reason-- and it pretty much keeps the thread at a "Jerry Springer" level--Entertaining as it is to some, it is fatiguing to a lot of others. More to the point, the negativity spreads to all the other active threads in the forum. Do you understand this at all?

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 01:40 PM

MRrz, do not despair. I am with you in spirit. ;>))


And also on the other thread.



A

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 01:00 PM

Ah, perhaps I am mistaken then. I thought the phrase "of course, comment if you like" invited commentary.

Amos, please come back.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Bee
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 12:47 PM

I just looked in here myself, as I also thought, having initially just read first post: thread for Christians, fine, leave 'em to it. I do the same for the pagan/Wiccan/whatever religion threads here - I note no one's gone into the Imbolc thread and told the people there it's all nonsense.

The other thread was designed for debate - I did not consider this one was.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 11:36 AM

Still doing it, I see.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 11:09 AM

Well, faith is irrational by definition, kat - if it weren't, it would be a conclusion from replicable data. The whole point of faith is belief without knowledge. If it were from knowledge, it wouldn't be belief.

As a separate item, the problem with "person who" arguments (as in, you say that height and weight are correlated, well I know a Person Who is tall and skinny so you must be wrong) is that they ignore statistics - there are indeed tall thin people, and short fat people, but that doesn't change the fact that height and weight are correlated. So sure, there are people who "mind over matter" themselves into amazing things - think of old ladies picking cars up off of their little grandkids, and other oddities. And no, calling it "mind" is not just labelling about explaining. Actually, quite a lot is known about mind these days, and we're learning more and more from neuropsychology.

Sure, there are cures that defy current explanation. These are not, however, evidence of the supernatural. Just because what we know now of the natural world as learned through science can't explain something does not mean that the answer has to be supernatural. That's the argument the Intelligent Design people have tried, and it doesn't hold water.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 10:19 AM

You know, Amos, sometimes you are a pure gentleman and a beacon of Light.:-)

Only under the most extreme circumstances, madame; but thank you very much indeed.



A

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Shaneo
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 09:58 AM

Thank God there are still a few Christians here, I check in here most days to see whats going on but the two other threads put me off everytime, even posting on the music threads,

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Slag
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 05:23 AM

And that is the beauty of free speech. If you don't want to hear it, don't listen. Drag up your own soap box ( read "thread") and have at it. God knows one size does NOT fit all. We should know the same. I think you are a good man, Amos, honest at any rate and I'd be willing to bet we have a lot more in common than not.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 02:45 AM

Respect Amos respect! You are a gentleman of sensitive nature.

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 12:50 AM

You know, Amos, sometimes you are a pure gentleman and a beacon of Light.:-)

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 10:30 PM

Hey guys, if you wish to p[lace your faith in the person of Christ and the representation of God he represents, more power to you, and I wish you great delight in it.

It's none of my business which school of metaphysics you subscribe to, or which paper you read, either.

I respectfully withdraw from the conversation.

A

Subject: RE: God still with me 2008
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 08:42 PM

"And, what is that about Pete Seeger? I must be missing something."


                        Pete Seeger was one of those people who was always really rational about religion.