BS: Voting for Hillary?

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:25 PM

As a superdelegate, I have switched my endorsement from ___________ to Guest from Sanity.    Oh crap, please don't wake me.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:23 PM

Riginslinger
   Being as Little Hawk was merely quoting(cut and pasting) me, I'll jump out there and reply, for him, as well as myself. As I posted earlier, BOTH parties have been corrupted!, and the ideals that they used to stand for have been co-opted by the agendas of those, who have no interest, whatsoever, in representing you, or the original intention of either party. Haven't you noticed, that within yourself, that we tend to 'agree' and go along with what someone proposes, or compromises for, rather, than having them (the party) actually representing the majority will of their constituents?? Too many times we end up having to just 'go along' with what they come up with....and usually, it has NOTHING to do with the principles or ideals of our constitution...but always a stretch! Slowly by slowly, our form of government is changing, without the will, nor consent of the people. ..and we just sit around, to argue the 'party line' Well, my dear friend, the party (both) are, and have been, out of line, for a long, long time. Now we debate issues, that are not realities, to principles, but rather 'trends' fashioned to fit the 'agndas' shaped though corruption. This has become so obvious, that most think it normal! You are told what to think, not 'how' to think!!..Remember, right wing and left wing are on the same bird..(and its not our eagle, either). Clear enough????

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:00 PM

Well, Little Hawk, I agree with you again. But do you think there is anything to be gained from siding with one American party over the other, or is the exercise totally pointless?

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 02:11 PM

"Guest from sanity", I agree with your post of 04 Jun 08 - 03:33 AM ...one hundred per cent! You have described the problem in a nutshell.

"they (Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush...next?) are just more of the same person, with the same agendas...just extensions of the same agenda. It reminds me of being in the ring, with a boxer, who comes at you with a right..a left..another left, then a right....we in America have been battered by the same boxer, using both sides, and faking us out, while we are watching for the blow to come from 'the other side. We've been 'blind-sided', repeatedly, and every blow, right and left, has the agenda to strip us of our own sovereignty, while keeping us distracted from the real issue before us. Has anyone considered that the media, with their pundits, and speculations, right and left, has us focussed on all the emotionalized issues while the wheels just keep grinding us down? Splitting us apart, and giving us the illusion that there is a big difference between us, that matters more than that we are all sharing this land, trying to survive, have a normal life, raising our families....just like every one else?????"

OH, YEAH! That is the truth, my friend. I sure am glad to hear someone else say it that clearly. The Democrats and Republicans are the two fists of the boxer you describe, and they do exactly as you say. The media is their handmaiden, keeping the game in play. "Divide and Conquer" is the name of the game.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 01:35 PM

"3) As we've noted before, having Hillary on the ticket--at all--is a real good way to unite an extremely fractious Republican party."


                   But it's the only way to unite the hopelessly divided Democratic Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 04:22 AM

Nope, no web page. I just come in here, sometimes when I come upstairs from the studio, and check my mail. While I'm on I found this blog and thought I throw in my two cents in. This is the first time I have 'held forth', (Though I posted a few above), and I don't plan on posting much more. I was more interested in what musicians were talking about (more than politics). I personally don't know any of the people on here, though I found some interesting, well, enough to respond, anyway. I'm not much of a blogger, but upon reading some of these posts, I found that there are some of my musical brothers hurting, thats all. After all, being a musician is a gift, and politics can get in the way, of the things we need to focus in on, to use that gift clearly...I guess, unless you write political songs (which I don't). What I do know is, that people are tending not to trust one another, unless they share the same political view, and there is certainly a lot of fear and hostility in our country, which, as in music, gets in the way of us all using our gifts the way we fully can, no matter what field you're in. Anyway, God Bless, and keep you all!!

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Lansing
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:50 AM

guest from sanity,
   i just read your message, and read it several times, slowly, WOW!!! IT IS TRULY PROFOUND, and right on the mark! so often we forget! do you have a web page?

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:33 AM

As per requested, Little Hawk, I re-read your post, and I stand corrected. That being said, Bush-Cheney, were in the same league, as Clinton during his term. Actually, not only are they in the same league, they are just more of the same person, with the same agendas...just extensions of the same agenda. It reminds me of being in the ring, with a boxer, who comes at you with a right..a left..another left, then a right....we in America have been battered by the same boxer, using both sides, and faking us out, while we are watching for the blow to come from 'the other side. We've been 'blind-sided', repeatedly, and every blow, right and left, has the agenda to strip us of our own sovereignty, while keeping us distracted from the real issue before us. Has anyone considered that the media, with their pundits, and speculations, right and left, has us focussed on all the emotionalized issues while the wheels just keep grinding us down? Splitting us apart, and giving us the illusion that there is a big difference between us, that matters more than that we are all sharing this land, trying to survive, have a normal life, raising our families....just like every one else????? Whether you are white, black, rich or poor, male, female young, old, of any descent, we all share two distinctive traits given to all living beings, whether it is an animal, plant, or an amoeba, we all have the will to survive, and reproduce! Anything that gets in the way of this,(the common denominator of all living creatures) is a form of death! So, in conclusion, let's all re-consider...'Do unto others, as you would have done unto you'....not divide and conquer!

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:24 AM

I think Bill has a life.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: mg
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 02:21 AM

If anyone was so stupid as to pretend to offer her the VP slot and expect her to decline it they deserve her as the albatross around the neck that she would be. I can't believe they could be that dumb but maybe so. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 01:07 AM

I heard a major part of her speech, and it was fascinating. It would have been close to a perfect speech if she were the actual nominee.

She is not only still in--deep--denial---but she's encouraging her supporters to share the delusion.   Which is guaranteed to make the eventual comedown even harder for them to take.

Not the best way to unify the party behind Obama. And I'm sure he realizes this. Not much he can do about it right now, however.

As usual, her speech came down to:   me-me-me-me-me. Ambition unslaked--by a lot.

Hope he does not let himself be pressured by the e-mail campaign she just about requested to put herself on the ticket.

Bad mistake.

1) We should assume, I believe, that the vast majority of her supporters are thinking persons, capable of realizing what a McCain presidency would mean to them--and will therefore support Obama in the fall, regardless of what many may say now about jumping to McCain.

2) It's a 2-fer. With Hillary you get Bill--and therefore constant second-guessing from two people who each think they belong in the president's chair.

3) As we've noted before, having Hillary on the ticket--at all--is a real good way to unite an extremely fractious Republican party.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 12:27 AM

She's not getting any VP spot.
She was asked earlier today to let him make the offer and then decline.
That on top of the treatment she has received at the hands of his Church has her steaming.
Bill sounded off for her last night.
She said there was nothing wrong with his message but he has to watch his language.
You don't think that was planned?

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 12:15 AM

Oh, for cryin' out loud.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 11:16 PM

Maybe she will run as a Green or something, if he doesn't give her the VeePee spot. Of course, then he might end up like Vince Foster.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 10:56 PM

Ah well. It was nice while it lasted. It doesn't sound like she's going to run as an independent, though...

"I am so proud we stayed the course together," she said to cheers. "I am committed to uniting our party so we move forward stronger and more ready than ever to take back the White House this November"...

...On a conference call with other New York lawmakers, Clinton, a New York senator, said she was willing to become Obama's vice presidential nominee if it would help Democrats win the White House

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24953561/

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 10:48 PM

This will clarify why people voted for him. If you have the eyes God gave a baby flounder, it will be obvious it was not reverse racism at work.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 10:38 PM

"I am so proud we stayed the course together," she said to cheers. "I am committed to uniting our party so we move forward stronger and more ready than ever to take back the White House this November." Hillary Clinton, June 3, 2008

Oh, yeah. She certainly looks like she's going to run as an independent. Oh, sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 10:32 PM

Sorry, I only know you from your writings. And they are at odds with your assertions. Perhaps if we met in person, you could convince me otherwise. Let's look forward to that. Really (no sarcasm).

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 10:18 PM

Come on!
I don't have a racist bone in my body and those who know me, know that well.
Can't even discuss this without being called a racist.
That's exactly what happened to Hillary's campaign too.


"Hillary's conceded. Thank goodness that's over."
Don't know who you were listening to but it wasn't Hillary Clinton.

Looks like she's going to run as an independent.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 10:10 PM

OOOOPS.

Wait!!!!!


McCain is the Republican nominee because of agism!!!!!!!

Damn, what a pickle.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 10:09 PM

Nope. One more.

"If either had done the same for Hillary because she's a woman then that would have been affirmative action."

So, no matter who is the nominee, it is either racism or sexism.

You are an asshat.

Yup, that was name calling.

And, I'd do it again.

Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 10:04 PM

"The media helped him out because he's black.
The DNC fixed the vote for him because he's black."


That is a fucking racist statement. Spew away bucko. I am listening to nothing else you say. Oh, I'm sorry. Was that name calling? Jerk.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 09:58 PM

Hillary's conceded. Thank goodness that's over.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 09:12 PM

Jim, you're one helluva fine singer, but when it comes to American politics, you don't know Shinola from the other stuff!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 09:04 PM

I doubt if people dislike Obama, they've just finally come to realize that Hillary would make a much better president.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 09:00 PM

I'm having a hard time determining whether people dislike Obama because he's Black, a man or gonna be the next President.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 08:52 PM

"The media helped him out because he's black.
The DNC fixed the vote for him because he's black."

I would LOVE to see the proof for that allegation. Really would. Because it sure as hell sounds like bullshit to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 08:47 PM

So, still no evidence that Obama is any less patriotic than Hillary. What a surprise. He is certainly less white than she is--but actually that's not the same thing--though some posters seem to think it is.

The current exchange reminds me of Mr. Cheney:    I'm not here to state that two of the Hillary supporters on Mudcat are pathetic creatures--addicted to smears, and abysmally ignorant, if not racist.   I can't say that.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 08:29 PM

I can't believe this thread is still going on--and nothing has changed. It's fu#kin' aMAZing.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 08:13 PM

"That affirmative action note was racist and hate speech if you ask me"

Well I didn't!

The media helped him out because he's black.
The DNC fixed the vote for him because he's black.

If either had done the same for Hillary because she's a woman then that would have been affirmative action.

Stop with the racist stuff. You're beginning to sound like a preacher.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 03:54 PM

That affirmative action note was racist and hate speech if you ask me, not that you did. I believe that he is flawed seriously in international concerns, but as a domestic president, could possibly be the best one ever, if he doesn't screw up on the international situation. If someone is a Harvard lawyer, a state senator, a former Ilinois senator??, etc. how does affirmative action come into the picture at all? You certainly have offended my sense of decency, which might be a goal, and undoubtedly many other people's. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 03:37 PM

"People should be elected on their policies, intelligence, and character"

There you go.
And no matter how many times that gets said, people walk all over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 03:16 PM

As always, people's impressions of reality are mainly formed by their instinctive likes and dislikes. I have pointed this out before.

And yet, some people are somewhat objective...

I basically like Obama (as a person). I can't say what he would be like as a president or if he can win. I simply don't know.

I would say that he was given very gentle treatment by the media early in the campaign...probably because he was seen as the "underdog"...and they were way tougher on Hillary, because she was seen as unbeatable.

By about the middle of the campaign Obama started to get some very rough treatment by the media. That was partly because he was beginning NOT to look like the underdog, and partly because they were feeling rather guilty for their prior kindness to him and toughness on Hillary. ;-)

Then he made that great speech after the Wright fiasco, and the media decided that he was pretty cool after all. They got friendly again.

Then awhile after that began another period of rough media treatment for Obama...again, probably because Hillary was now starting to look like the underdog.

Now we're entering the phase where the media are getting a little sarcastic about Hillary not facing facts and bowing out, but they are also suggesting that Obama needs her help to win the election...

What does all that look like to me? It looks like a bunch of game-playing designed to pull public opinion first one way, then the other, like a soap opera.

And I think it's silly, frankly.

People should be elected on their policies, intelligence, and character, not on a bunch of hysterical innuendo about race issues and what their preacher said on some occasion when he was in a bad mood and went on a tirade.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 03:10 PM

"You have yet to identify a specific dangerous link."

That is one of the funniest wee statements on this thread.
Go back over the last 6 months and look at what people have told you.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 02:56 PM

I take my observations from the media

THis can be a serious mistake, too! :D

I think Barack Obama has been grilled and lambasted frequently by the media; I do not agree he has been given a pass.

What HAS happened is that people are arguing back against the madness of conflating pushbutton reactions, guilt by association, and the insertion of false data intot he picture.

You have yet to identify a specific dangerous link. He was embarassed by two preachers and has disowned them both. Yet people like you insist he had to be deeply tainted by them, which is presumptuous codswallop.

Oh, maybe the big thing he wasn't given a pass on was sticking a tiny metallic flag in his lapel? Or did you have some other specific complaint with some kind of substance to it?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 02:50 PM

Guest Tia: "For you and the MSM, it seems to be exactly about race."

No Tia. I take my observations from the media. In no way do I happen to subscribe their beliefs.
They have given this man a huge pass on every difficult issue and forgiven him a seriously flawed past & present.
My observation is that those other than blacks will view this as an Affirmative Action "Pass" and feel terribly threatened by this.
The same would have been said had the media paved the way for Hillary and she received 92% of the Women's or Whites' votes.
I think we can agree that they didn't.
My opinions will never be formed out of regard for the colour of a person's skin.
That just won't happen.
There are far more qualities in an individual, worth noting.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 02:02 PM

Sorry, Wolfgang. We know that Democrats do not ever lie about these things...


updated 22 minutes ago


   Clinton not ready to concede race, her campaign chair says

Report that Clinton will concede "100 percent" incorrect, campaign chairman says

Congress' top black Democrat throws support to Obama

Democrats' primary season ends Tuesday, after 6 months and 61 contests

A rush of superdelegate endorsements could allow Obama to claim victory Tuesday

   
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton's is "absolutely not" prepared to concede the race for the Democratic presidential nomination to Sen. Barack Obama, her campaign chairman said.


Sen. Hillary Clinton trails Obama by 159 delegates and is 201 delegates shy of capturing the nomination.

1 of 2 Terry McAuliffe rejected as "100 percent" incorrect an Associated Press report that Clinton is preparing to acknowledge that Obama has the delegates to win the nomination Tuesday night as the five-month Democratic primary process comes to a close.

Obama "doesn't have the numbers today, and until someone has the numbers the race goes on," McAuliffe told CNN.

Clinton continues to fight Obama in the Democratic primary season. Some 61 contests over six months will end Tuesday as Montana and South Dakota hold primaries. Watch McAuliffe say the 'race goes on' »

Only 31 pledged delegates are at stake in those two contests.

Obama on Tuesday had 2,083 delegates, just 35 delegates shy of the 2,118 needed to clinch the nomination, after a number of superdelegates announced their support for the senator from Illinois.

There are 193 superdelegates who have not backed a candidate.

Rep. James Clyburn, the No. 3 Democrat in the House and the highest ranking African-American in Congress, was among those superdelegates. Watch Clyburn endorse Obama

"I came to that decision because I do believe that he has elevated this campaign," Clyburn said. "He has energized our constituents. He is redrawing an electoral map for Democrats."

There are not enough pledged delegates at stake in Montana and South Dakota to put Obama over the top, but a rush of endorsements by the remaining undeclared "superdelegates" could allow him to claim victory when he takes the stage in Minnesota Tuesday evening.

Superdelegates are the approximate 825 Democratic governors, members of Congress, and party officials who each get to vote in the delegate nominating process. Around 200 of them have yet to endorse either Obama or Clinton.

In a bit of symbolism, Obama will spend Tuesday night at a rally at the Excel Energy Center in Saint Paul, Minnesota, the same arena which will house the 2008 Republican National Convention in September. Clinton will spend the night at an campaign event in New York City. What she will say is the question of the night. iReport.com: See what cartoonists think of the interminable race

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Obama is looking more and more toward a likely general election matchup with John McCain, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee. And while not taking anything for granted, it appears he's starting to look at Clinton as less of a rival and more as an important ally who can help him win in November.

"We're getting very close to the number that will, that will give us the nomination and if we've hit that number on Tuesday night, then we will. We will announce that and I think even if we don't, this is the end of the primary season, and I think it's very important for us to focus on the clear contrast that's going to exist between Democrats and Republicans in this election," Obama said this weekend while campaigning in South Dakota.

"Sen. Clinton is an outstanding public servant, she has worked tirelessly on this campaign, she has been a great senator for the state of New York and she is going to be a great asset when we go into November to make sure that we defeat the Republicans," Obama said on the campaign trail Sunday in South Dakota, adding Monday in Michigan that "she and I will be working together." Watch Obama vow the party will come together after the primary »

Clinton's road to capturing the nomination is much longer and more difficult. She trails Obama by 166 delegates and is 201 delegates shy of capturing the nomination. Her main shot at winning now appears to depend on a mass wave of superdelegate support, which seems unlikely. See what's next for Clinton »

Clinton's been making the case for weeks now that she's ahead in the popular vote in the primaries and caucuses to date. Much of this argument hinges on how Michigan's disputed primary is counted. If Obama is awarded no votes, since his name wasn't on the ballot, Clinton leads by 194,000 in the popular vote count. If Obama is awarded the 40 percent who voted uncommitted in the primary, he's ahead of Clinton by 45,000 votes in the overall count. Watch Clinton outline her optimism »

"The Clinton campaign is making every effort to convince superdelegates she is the best qualified and most electable Democrat to take on John McCain in November. The problem for Clinton is that it seems a little bit too late for her argument to stick even if these superdelegates did embrace her assertion that she is the leader in the popular vote," said Mark Preston, CNN political editor.

CNN senior political correspondent Candy Crowley reported that "only a handful of people at the inner core of the Clinton campaign knows what she's thinking about doing when Tuesday's dust settles, adding that "those who have been with her since nearly the beginning are saying she will not push this into the convention. As one close Clinton supporter put it, she's acutely aware of her place in the party. She will not ruin the party."

Clinton scored a large victory Sunday in Puerto Rico's primary. It could be a different story in Montana, where Obama is ahead in the most recent polls. Obama campaigned in the state late last week, before stumping over the weekend in South Dakota. Clinton spent Monday in South Dakota. A new poll out Monday in that state puts Clinton up by double digits. But regardless of the results, Tuesday night is much more about the big picture than about who won which primary

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 01:42 PM

You're right about that, LH, and given the chance I'd vote for either one of them, even if they do disagree on almost everything. Just the idea of having somebody in a position of leadership who is not afraid to demonstrate principal is refreshing.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 12:31 PM

The concept of subtlety is lost on you, isn't it, "Guest from Sanity"? ;-) I get the impression you think only in terms of "all or nothing".

Whatever gave you the idea that I think it's allright for people in positions of responsibility to violate their solemn oaths? Go back and read it all over again. I think you are wasting a lot of excitement over a misunderstanding on your part.

However, I do share your disgust in how far society has fallen in terms of holding to any principles of honor and truthfullness in the political arena. Yes, indeed. It's become a pretty decadent situation.

The only politicians I saw out there running for president who really stood up seriously for the principles set out in the Constitution were Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul. You see how far they got in the process.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 11:43 AM

Jim:

He was not selected out of Affirmative Action, fer cry-i. Have you been under a rock all the last year? Sheesh, mon!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 11:37 AM

Jim Lad,
For a lot of us (and I do not mean Obama supporters) it is emphatically not about race. For you and the MSM, it seems to be exactly about race. I hope there are more of us than of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 11:26 AM

Hillary is now preparing her "I give up" speech for tonight. She has said so many nice things about Obama (in the last couple of weeks, not before) and he about her that I wonder what her price is. My personal guess is being running mate which in my eyes might even be necessary for Obama to win in November against McCain. McCain in my eyes is the best candidate by far.... the Republicans have nominated as far as I can think back. (That still makes him third choice among the three left)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 11:23 AM

"My views? Oh, well I'm glad you asked. First off, If you didn't vote, you have nothing to say about it. You're not part of the process and your opinion doesn't matter. I've voted in every election so my opinion does matter."

That's just flawed in so many ways.
We all matter.

Tonight or tomorrow, Obama will surely get the nod in what can only be described as "Affirmative Action" in action.
If Hillary doesn't run as an independent you will once again have a Republican president.
Someone (many) predicted at the beginning of this process, that by the time Hillary was finished with Obama there would be nothing left of him.
Well, whether it was Hillary or not the man has been in a coma for the last month and his campaign crew are dragging his limp body over the finish line.
He has the black vote all sewn up and that has been his final undoing.
As soon as Obama topped 90% of the black vote it was a signal to the rest of America that this ones about "Race".
That's one you can't win as a minority.
Think that's why they're called "Minorities".
Right?

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 10:25 AM

Here is the propaganda that I am swallowing:



"From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 03:51 AM

I still think we have three good candidates, and I'd be happy with any of them. The only credible negative information I've heard is that Hillary and McCain tend to be grouchy, and Obama can be a little too glib (or well-spoken, depending on how you "spin" that).

I can live with those faults. For once, I don't think it's the "lesser of two evils" - I think it's a choice among three good candidates.

-Joe Offer-"




I have a preference among the three, but any one of them is a quantum improvement.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 09:41 AM

Vote??..of course vote! I'm just saying, give us a real candidate!..AS you stated, you are not voting for McCain or Ob-blab-o, because they suck!..That's not the same thing as voting FOR someone you think is good...you are just voting AGAINST those who you think are bad. Join the crowd of nearly everyone I've talked to!!! ..Voting for the lesser of two evils, as I stated before!!!...By the way, thank you very much, for illustrating my point, so clearly!! Now reflect..think about it...I'm not arguing with you, or any of you...just stating a common fact that has America sucked into this ridiculous debate(by design, btw)               
P.S. Now watch all the deluded start posting the wonderful propaganda they've swallowed. telling us why they love their 'candidate'..Spare us!

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 09:07 AM

What?
Moi?
Coincidence, I assure you.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Slag
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 03:34 AM

My views? Oh, well I'm glad you asked. First off, If you didn't vote, you have nothing to say about it. You're not part of the process and your opinion doesn't matter. I've voted in every election so my opinion does matter.

Am I voting for Hillary? Well, seeing that the Republican Party no longer exists except in name only, I would vote for Hillary, if she gets the nod (which doesn't look to likely at this juncture). Why? Well I am very UNimpressed by the Bush acts, one and two. Hope faded early on as the little nut didn't fall very far from the tree. Nuts to them. As for John McCain, who is so very proud of his ability to "reach across the aisle" well Gee! I want to show him that I too, can reach across the aisle and I don't need his help to do it. I hope he gets the message and I hope any who might follow in his wake will also get the message.

If Obama gets the nod I'm voting for Spongebob Squarepants.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 01:30 AM

Jeez! I can't believe it, .. I'm waxing political!...I'd rather be composing in the studio, I've got REAL stuff to do!!..What about you??

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 01:17 AM

So, taking an oath is purely ceremonial??????Boy, tell that to the judge! Ask a service man's widow if it was ceremonial!..Or your wife!!..Maybe to Bill Clinton and his ilk!, or GWB as...well, you know the rest. Just ceremonial!!...Shows how far far we've slid from what we hold important, you know, like the truth, or honor, or like all of these ridiculous people that are running, who actually are lifted up, to be the best we have????!!!!....These cons are the best we have to choose from???? Everyone of them have a list of lies, documented, longer than this blog thread we're on...and that's no lie!! Fox news tells you who is honest???...Excu-u-u-se me!!...CNN?????, gag...msnbc???(well I do like Keith Obermann)..but come on....folks, wake up!!...All you have to do is scroll up and read the weak 'endorsements', and 'commitments' that any blogger has toward any candidate!..Its all weak. We really do not have a choice...and if I have to, and I can,produce a link where any one of these Bozos, are caught on camera lying obviously to the people..on camera!!..That's right, you people!!!...and you just gobble it up. Every one here, knows that at least two of the other candidates are just full of it, and guess what??...you're all right!!..anyway, I'm done, for now!

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 12:10 AM

Well...at least she hasn't questioned anyone's patriotism. ;-)