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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 22 Oct 04 - 10:05 PM Back on duty. Did you miss me Amos? Fred Miller: Gore / Leiberman filed false lawsuits in an attempt to steal the 2000 election. Here is one example, a long story about fake votes in St Louis: http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/pubs/reformmandate/reportpage4.asp It is from the Office of the Secretary of State, Missouri - Matt Blunt. Note the part where the lawsuit for the plaintifs Gore-Lieberman, was filed because Robert D. Odom, a deadman, was not allowed to vote. After it was discovered he was dead the plaintifs said they made a minor mistake. They meant to say Robert M. Odomwas not allowed to vote. It was later revealed that had already voted and did not have any trouble voting. It is Kerry's strategy to claim an early victory and if he looses he will claim Republican cheated. Then he will battle it out in the courts like Gore did. If you read the leaked page the Kerry Edwards Colorado Election Day Manual, November 2004 found at http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc.jpg you will see their strategy of creating accusations of voter fraud when none exist. "If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a pre-emptive strike (particularly suited to states in which there techniques have been tried in the past). • Issue a press release i. Reviewing Republican Tactic used in the past in your area or state ii. Quoting party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics that discourage people from voting • Prime Minority leadership to discuss the issue in the media; provide talking points • Place stories in which minority leadership expresses concern about the threat of intimidation tactics • Warn local newspapers not to accept advertising that is not properly disclaimed or that contains false warnings about voting requirements and/or about what will happen at the polls" "One top DNC official confirmed the manual's authenticity, but claimed the notion of crying wolf on any voter intimidation is "absurd." "We all know the Republicans are going to try to steal the election by scaring people and confusing people," the top DNC source explained. http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc66.htm Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Sam L Date: 22 Oct 04 - 09:48 PM BB, I wasn't and won't go into whether Bush and/or Gore engaged in self-serving manipulations of the process. What made no sense was for you to argue a mirror image of the damage done to the trust of citizens, and to refer to the Gore election, in response to the Bush election. It makes no sense and seems you're just returning a serve in sport without any regard to reality. This doesn't help me or anyone else understand where you are coming from. Bush's qualifications may not be the issue, here, rhetorically, but it is something of an issue(if you'll permit me to briefly digress) everywhere else in the actual frigging world. And the fact that he lost the popular vote and doesn't listen to the citizens of this country seems pretty on topic to me, on a thread which mentions an arrogant asshole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:29 PM I suppose we should have let the Florida Supreme Court decide what was just and fair. Too bad the RNC had to railroad it. Not so much because of what it did to the election, but because of how it undermined the already diminished and very important zone of State rights. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:19 PM ANd objected to a count of absentee ballots in other districts. THAT is what was wrong. IF there was to be a recount, it should have been of the ENTIRE STATE, not just the districts the Dems thought they would pick up votes in. The rules on voting, and rool-clearing was state-wide- NOT just the three areas that Gore wanted more votes from. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 22 Oct 04 - 04:08 PM Well, BB, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Tome the qualitative difference in character between Bush and [Gore or Kerry ]is about as vivid as the difference between Saddam Hussein and Harry Truman, for example. Everywhere he turns his hamd what comes out is underhanded opportunism and subliterate blundering. If you think his qualities stand up fairly in a side-by-side comparison with either of the other two, then you're not seeing what I see, that is for sure. As for Gore's request, I think you are taking it out of context. As I recall he asked for recounts where there was evidence of overt malfeasance. What was wrong with that? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Oct 04 - 01:01 AM Amos, As I have stated in other threads, IF Gore had asked for a recount of the entire state, he would have been justified- but to ask for a recount only of specific areas, where he thought he could get additional votes, and fight against recounts in other areas, and against the counting of absentee ballots, was a slimeball legalistic maneuver of the first class. If YOU cannot see the bigotry in your words, than you are right- there is no reason for us to be talking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:45 AM Amos "There was no trust broken by Gore " THAT is the point- there was, but you refuse to admit that the Gore campaign was just as, if not more active , in disenfranchising voters- just the ones that they thought might count against them. How is it playing with words to make a statement of fact? I notice you still attack me, and not the facts that I have presented. Not the mark of someone who thinks he is in the right... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:38 AM BB: What you did was take a sentence of mine and twist it to read the opposite of what it said. If you really are too unaware, biased or whatever to see clearly how that is offensive, then we shouldn't be talking. Pretending you were just making a statement of your own is doubly irritating. There was no trust broken by Gore -- and you are just playing around with words with no sense of their impact or meaning. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:38 AM Fred, Amos was talking about the "slimeball legalistic maneuvers intended to pervert the process." I merely pointed out that to a neutral observer, BOTH sides engaged it the same level of activities- so to place ALL the bl;ame on Bush is the mark of a bigoted individual. We were NOT discussing Bush's qualifications to be president. That is another thread. And Amos, your bring my being a poet into this is an indication of the slimeball level that you have placed yourself at. I would not think to judge your, or anyone"s here, musical talent by their political viewpoint. I think that you owe me an apology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,BabyBeardedBruce Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:36 AM WAHHHH!!! mean old liberals!!! cheaterscheaterscheaters!!!! liarsliarsliars!!! fix deamocracy daddy bush!! you show those nasty mean old liberals!! WAHHHHH!!!!! and they're mean to me too! WAHHH!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Sam L Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:27 AM How do you get that, BB? No offense, but most Presidents who win without the popular vote make some effort to listen to the majority that oppose them. The problem with Bush, among many other things, is that he's not even a recognizable conservative. Ask George Will, ask serious conservatives capable of principled thought. Bush is a divider, not a uniter, and is all about nation building. What part of anything he says can you rely on? How does complete ass-backwardness add up to his mythical steadfastness? Because he does whatever he's going to do whether it makes any sense or not? He's not qualified. I'm not a big fan of Kerry, not at all. But Bush is too scarey for me, and I'd vote for any president or vice president or major candidate except one in the last dozen or more years instead of him, liberal or conservative. Bush is a fuck-up. I don't know why conservatives support him. A serious conservative should have run against him. The Gore election? broke the trust? Guy? What Gore election? Bush was elected, so how? What? Huh? Bush was very very narrowly elected and believes he's a monarch. That's where trust was broken. You and I both have no idea what you are talking about. I know you're surrounded by liberals, but try to keep your wits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:25 AM Amos, I see that you cannot even try to tell me that I am wrong. I merely made a statement, just as you did, based on what happened. Sorry if you don't want to admit that you are a bigot, and do not even try to be fair-minded. And YOU fancy yourself a liberal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:11 AM The Gore election actually broke the trust of Americans in the electoral process. I only hope that Bush can mend it, by sweeping the polls and by preventing slimeball legalistic maneuvers intended to pervert the process. Jesus, BB, you are a piece of work. Go stand in the corner with red_clay. You find it clever, do you, to take someone else's words and pervert them? That is the most perverted thing I have seen this week. Yuk. And you fancy yourself a poet. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Oct 04 - 11:29 PM Amos, I seem to recall as much slimeball legalistic maneuvers by Gore- Or do you think it reasonabale to demand recounts in districts you think you can pick up votes in, and fight against recounts, or even counting absentee ballots in districts that you think might go against you? The Gore election actually broke the trust of Americans in the electoral process. I only hope that Bush can mend it, by sweeping the polls and by preventing slimeball legalistic maneuvers intended to pervert the process. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 21 Oct 04 - 11:18 PM OG: Unlike you, I don't post these comments for the joy of fighting. If Kerry is standing ready to fight for a fair election in courts of law, perhaps he learned from studying recent history that the ruthless underhanded disenfranchisement maneuvers of the Bush machine throughly documented in 2000 might be tried again. You can do whatever you like to try and scrape dirt over that crap, but it will never stop stinking. The Bush election actually broke the trust of Americans in the electoral process. I only hope that Kerry can mend it, by sweeping the polls and by preventing slimeball legalistic maneuvers intended to pervert the process. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Oct 04 - 09:11 PM And besides, if Liberals do this type of thing, it is the individual acts of a few over-zealous individuals, whereas when Conservatives do it, it is always organized by the top level. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Oct 04 - 09:05 PM OG, You still don't understand. These actions are only Wrong-think when done by the Evil Concervatives- They are Double-plus-right-think when performed by the Pure and Benevolent Liberals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 21 Oct 04 - 08:38 PM Kerry has 6 teams of lawyers and jets on standby to contest the election. They are strategically placed so that any state can be reached in an hour or less. He should have been the one that planned the invasion of Iraq. Sharpton and Jackson on on duty in Florida right now agitating the minorities, taking pre emptive action as per the instructions in the Democratic election handbook. "Black and Hispanic Republicans criticized a Democratic National Committee handbook found in Colorado. It included a section encouraging Democrats to mount "pre-emptive strikes" against Republicans using press releases raising concerns about potential voter intimidation, even if none was detected. What that means in clear language is, if there is no evidence of intimidation, which we don't expect there will be because we're not going to engage in it, then make it up and talk about it anyway," said Michael Williams, a Republican railroad commissioner from Texas who is black. Democrats said the manual simply instructed party workers to publicize the threat of intimidation. And then, as if following their own advice, they took the offensive on the issue." http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/18/politics/campaign/18monitor.html C'mon Amos, don't let me get away with this, fire back. Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Oct 04 - 07:15 PM Amos, "IF union members are keeping Bush cars out of the parking lots, they are doing so on their own bat and you'll have to ask them why they have such strong feelings." So, you see nothing wrong preventing people from voting, so long as the RIGHT people are blocked? I fail to see that you have any reason to complain about what your opponents do, if you engage in the same actions yourself. By NOT complaining about the actions of those blocking even your opponents, you are, in a legal sense, agreeing that it is appropriate and proper. The maxim is "Silence implies consent." Glad to know that you will stand up for the rights of minorities... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 21 Oct 04 - 06:23 PM The current analysis of the Electoral Vote Distribution is looking like Kerry is pulling away smartly and leading the field. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:12 PM I don't know what the suppression you are referring to is, OG, but that's not the way we do elections in this country, unless we are Jeb Bush and Bbarbara Harris (Did I remember that big-toothed lady's name correctly?). IF union members are keeping Bush cars out of the parking lots, they are doing so on their own bat and you'll have to ask them why they have such strong feelings. Mayub e the Republic machine stole some of their votes last election? I dunno. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 21 Oct 04 - 02:28 PM Amos: What is the difference? I did not see any comparisons drawn, just a one sided Q & A. PS: Kerry did not mention his fondness for Rap and Hip Hop that he claimed to have when trying to woo the black vote. If he is so great why are union workers in Florida barring anybody that has a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on ther car from the parking lots with yellow tape at the polling places in Florida right now? I hope Mile Moore is ther filimg the event. If you like him so much why aren't you out there trying to suppress the Republican vote like the other Kerry supporters? Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 21 Oct 04 - 10:20 AM This interview makes the difference in quality between the two candidates pretty plain and obvious. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 21 Oct 04 - 10:06 AM The "arrogant asshole" gave the following answer to a question from Rolling Stone magazine. I think it is incisive and accurate: The president has now given twenty-four reasons for going to war. Why do you think we really invaded Iraq? Well, I think you've heard all the reasons. I can't psychoanalyze them. They were driven by ideology; they were driven by a fixation on Saddam Hussein. They took their eye off of Osama bin Laden and the real war on terror, and the consequences for our country are gigantic: $200 billion, and counting; the loss of credibility and prestige in the world; the loss of alliances that we need to be helping us. The American people are paying a very, very bitter price for their bad judgment -- no matter what the cause is. I think those of you who insist on perpetrating that bad judgement are doing the nation a disservice. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 21 Oct 04 - 08:11 AM I don't see any way to parse your last post, Pecknecker, because your ad hominem stuff is what bufoonery is made of. What you are objecting to is called "disagreement", the fuel of a free society. You have a problem with that? Obviously not, since you're being as disagreeable as you can! :D But put some legs on it. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,longpecker redneck Date: 21 Oct 04 - 02:35 AM Why don't you lot of psuedo intellectual dorks leave "Old guy" alone.He is the only one showing a tither of sense among the lot of you preening self rightouse buffoon's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 20 Oct 04 - 11:18 PM I dunno, OG -- my take is that he has had a lot of bull thrown at him and has handled it well; I don't think he is a fraction as phony as you think he is. But even more important I don't think he is anywhere near the liar that your beloved Pretender is. He has scarcely told a straight story since he bullied his way into the office. He has misled the congress and bullied the people and put on a completely dismal failure of management. The sooner he is ousted the better. Kerry has spent a LOT more time in the wheels of government than Bush has and knows a lot more about the ropes. And he understands people a lot better. I think you're backing the wrong horse. The Bush loonie-boy is simply a loser in many dimensions. Even if his machine manages to bully rag its way into the White house again he will still be a bully, a PR slime prone to mendacity, sub-literate and ill-equipped. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 20 Oct 04 - 11:07 PM El Greko the enlightened one: The more I open my mind to John Kerry the more evidence I find that he is a phony. Vote for him if you want but I am going to continue to point out his unsuitability to run this country up until the election. You do not have to read this thread if it is so offensive. Go over to the other Bush thread about bush and post there. That thread needs it because this one has twice as many posts. Maybe that means Kerry really is an arrogant asshole. Of course you are welcome to post facts that disprove my facts if you want. Oh, I forgot some of the future first lady, the one who's first language is not English, TH Kerry's language: Scumbags and idiots. I do check my sources. In the process of searching to find out what her fist language is I found a story about how she cussed out a cook in 5 languages. It was only on two sites with identical text so I concluded it was a lie planted there in hopes it would grow legs. I cross check other facts to see of the story persists on several sites with different text. Some times it is in newspapers or a network or cable TV sites too. If you want to get serious and discuss individual facts please do, you might be able to prove me wrong, but words like shut up is not part of a discussion. Now what particular fact do you want to dispute? Does anybody know what the future first lady's first language is? Old Guy Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: George Papavgeris Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:57 AM Old Guy, you have the years and experience(I assume), the time on your hands to do research, the brain the good Lord gave you, yet you have grown no wiser. You were funny back, oh, a couple of hundred posts or so. Then you became sad. No point exhorting you to pipe down, get serious, check your sources - you won't listen anyway. Just a belligerent old guy. Oh, well, it's your life, and sad as I find it, you are entitled to it, and to your views too. And you are also entitled to write reams and parade your views, just like anyone else. It's pointless though, Amos is right in that - you won't change your mind, and you don't have the eloquence or credibility to change anyone else's. So have your fun, then go and vote, and celebrate or mourn accordingly. And sleep well in your mental bunker. It should be nice and quiet there, if somewhat lonely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:42 AM Anonymous Guest: It is true that Cheney told someone "go fuck yourself" Who did he tell and why? This is far worse than when Kerry told Cedric Brown, a citizen and participant in a town hall meeting in Pennsylvania "That's none of your business" When Cedric asked if Kerry was meeting with foreign leaders to help him overthrow the Bush presidency. It also far worse than when TH Kerry told told a reporter to "shove it" immediately after giving a speech calling for a more civil tone in politics. After the speech she made her way through the Secret Service to get to Colin McNickle, a reporter for the Pittsburgh Tribune Review. She asked "Are you from the Tribune Review" Mcnickle said, 'Yes, I am.' Then she said "Of course, understandable. You said something I didn't say. Now Shove it" And horrendous compared to when Kerry thought he was off mike and made the remark in replying to a union worker who asked to go after the president: "Oh yeah, don't worry man, We're going to keep pounding. These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I've ever seen." Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:32 AM Old Guy: to quote one of your idols Dick Cheney "Go F@*# yourself" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:21 AM Fed up: If it is untrue show me. Was the frontline thing about the interviews with old Viet Cong? Do the viet cong have more credibility than US vets? I guess so because there is a tribute to Kerry in a museum in North Vietnam. They like Kerry over there. Old Guy that farts occasionally |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,fed up with the Old Fart Date: 19 Oct 04 - 11:53 PM You're quoting from a fucking BLOG, old guy. find a credible source if you're going to argue this stuff. That information is from someone who wants to dismiss and disarm Kerry. Take a look at the PBS special on Frontline last week and then repeat that lame story. What a waste of time, arguing with this guy. Amos, he's frittering away your time with this shit. Promote Kerry where it really counts--with voters! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 19 Oct 04 - 10:32 PM Geeze, OG, that is a fair question, and I wish I had time to go back through the chain of reports on which I based my conclusion and bring the illogical points to light, but I don't have time to do the homework for you. I'd love to, but I can only plead press of work and life. I will say that I think if you read all the various bits, without any prejudice, you will find too many pieces which do not add up. Up to you. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST Date: 19 Oct 04 - 09:52 PM Amos: Give me an example of their varipos statements not adding up. I will give you an example of a Rassman (the guy that Kerry saved) and Kerry's statements not adding up: "Jim Rassman in the Washington Post describes how Sen. Kerry really picked up a tiny piece of metal that day. As they were heading back to the boat, Kerry and Rassman decided to blow up a five-ton rice bin to deny food to the Vietcong. In an interview, Rassman recalled that they climbed on top of the huge pile and dug a hole in the rice. On the count of three, they tossed their grenades into the hole and ran. Evidently, Kerry did not run fast enough. "He got some frag and pieces of rice in his rear end," Rassman said with a laugh. "It was more embarrassing than painful." At the time, the incident did not seem significant, and Kerry did not mention it to anyone when he got back on the boat. An unsigned "personnel casualty report," however, erroneously implies that Kerry suffered "shrapnel wounds in his left buttocks" later in the day, following the mine explosion incident, when he also received "contusions to his right forearm." " http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002447.php Can you give me a specific example Amos? Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:48 PM Because the logical implications of their various statements just don't add up, OG. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:29 PM Amos: "I know the Swifties did" How do you know? Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 19 Oct 04 - 09:07 AM Old Guy: Sorry I missed the part that some of those interviewed were ex-VC. Do you think that they had some reason to falsify the picture? I know the Swifties did. They intentionally and knowingly flasified the story. They lied for money, in short, in effforts to trash the reputation of a decent and accomplished man. Honorable, I am sure. I am a little tired of all this twisting and slashing, and am not incliuned to engage in it any more. It seems plain that you have your bent all picked out and in place, and despite your protestations of being open to discussion and open to change, that ain't gonna happen. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 19 Oct 04 - 09:00 AM Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University and Media Tenor October 19, 2004 Page 1 Summary Findings: This study examines 2004 presidential election coverage from September 7 to October 1, 2004 on ABC's "World News Tonight", CBS's "Evening News" and NBC's "Nightly News" as well as "Special Report with Brit Hume" on the Fox News Channel. * More News – Network news campaign coverage in September was up 40% over 2000 – 199 stories vs. 141. * More Beef – The proportion of stories covering the campaign horse race dropped from 62% in 2000 to only 23% this year, a decline of 57%. Meanwhile, the proportion of stories dealing with policy issues rose from 50% in 2000 to 53% in 2004. * More Beefs – Both candidates are getting more negative coverage than their counterparts in 2000. Evaluations were only 38% positive toward Kerry and 29% positive toward Bush, compared to 48% positive toward Gore and 33% positive toward Bush in 2000. * Bite Size News – Candidate sound bites averaged under eight seconds in length. * More Differences – All three networks gave Kerry 38% positive evalua-tions. But ABC gave Bush only 20% positive, compared to 30% at NBC and 35% at CBS. * Bent Toward Bush? – Fox News Channel's "Special Report" featured 31% positive evaluations of Bush compared to 21% positive toward Kerry. And Fox panelists' comments favored Bush by 50% positive to only 13% positive toward Kerry. * "Fair and Balanced"? – In "Special Report" news segments, the coverage was balanced – 27% positive for Bush and 24% for Kerry. Fox was also more balanced in its issue coverage (30% positive for Bush vs. 28% for Kerry) than the broadcast network (41% positive for Kerry vs. 23% positive for Bush). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,longpecker redneck Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:31 AM Well, wampanscat@adelphia.net,lets have a bit of give and take here. On the abortion and gay issues alone makes me think that kind of forward looking and joined up thinking makes Mr.Kerry the most progresive and electable president in years.Just let him have a go at the immigration problem and econamy and watch his smoke !!!.More power to him I say !!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,wampascat@adelphia.net Date: 18 Oct 04 - 11:14 PM kerry wants it legal to have abortions.that alone is like putting a murderer in the white house. he is for same sex marriges. those two items shows what kind of trash he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST Date: 18 Oct 04 - 11:02 PM Amos: The above Oct 16 post that I am quoting from says that "Nightline's detailed interviews with the villagers, including former Viet Cong fighters" That tells me that Viet Cong were interviewed in order to discredit the swiftboat vets. My comment was that since when do the viet cong have more credibility than US veterans. I did not say that there was a Viet Cong for Kerry organization but maybe one should be organized to helf Kerry get elected. Also I said Democrats evidently think that the English are more intelligent and the Viet Cong are more truthfull than Bush supporters. Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: George Papavgeris Date: 18 Oct 04 - 07:01 PM Old Guy, look up the "God is not Republican or Democrat" thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 18 Oct 04 - 12:47 PM Old Guy, There are no Viet Cong for Kerry involved and it is disingenuous, bitter-minded and untruthful to imply it. The poeple who were interviewed by ABC were Vietnamese peasants who described the battle. They saw what Kerry said ahappened, and they said so. These were people who had no vested interest, no axe to grind, and who were there at the time. You wopuld prefer the testimony of people who are deeply enmeshed in partisan politics, have financial incentives to come out on one or another side, and who have been revealed to be mouths for hire. Your preference is a reactionary one based on push-button responses rather than analysis. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST Date: 18 Oct 04 - 12:13 PM Amos: "Nightline's detailed interviews with the villagers, including former Viet Cong fighters" How about a Vietcong for Kerry organization to make anti-swiftboat ads? Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 18 Oct 04 - 09:53 AM OG: I believe the referenced testimony was from Robert Macnamara who led the war as SecDef and who consulted years later with the senior retired general of the other isde. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 18 Oct 04 - 02:22 AM beardedbruce: I asked Nerd for a list of acceptable sources quite a while ago but I never got it so I am fumbling around on my own. About that post way up there that referenced the testimony of former Viet Cong fighters, I suppose the former Viet Cong have more credibility than the anti Kerry Vietnam Nets. Maybe a Vietnamese newspaper could organize a letter writing campaign like that Limey newspaper did so those old Viet Cong guys can write to American Voters and tell us who to vote for. They can repeat Kerry's heroic Genghis Kan testimony to convince us to vote for Kerry. Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: beardedbruce Date: 18 Oct 04 - 01:19 AM OG, The training manual is not from a properly "certified" site, so the SRS rule does not allow it to be brought into the discussion. You can only bring up facts that support what the more liberal posters want to say. Haven't you got that yet? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,O;d Guy Date: 18 Oct 04 - 01:14 AM Amos: Maybe you are not a part of the mob after all but I still think the terrorist threat is real. You might think the the warning that we might be attacked anywhere any time is a scare tactic or a CYA tactic but how in the hell can the officials in the US do their job if they are accused of lying about attack warnings for political purposes. Would it be better if they warn and we do have an attack? It is a no win situation. Al Qaeda wuold like nothing better than to do another 9/11 on a larger scale. You should read their training manual. http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/trainingmanual.htm Old Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:24 PM No one can bring up a single facet about Kerry that is not supportive of him with out be called a liar, stupid, right wing extremist and a Bush propagandist. This is a bit of a generalization, OG. I haven't called you a liar or stupid, nor have I called you an extremist or a propagandist. I object to some of the knee-jerk reactions offered by Republicans, and I am sure there are similar reactions provided by Kerry supporters which tick oyu off. I don't think either of us enjoy mob-think, and unfortunately ew are living in a time when politicized, polarized mob-think is the order of the day. As for offering information about Kerry that is not supportive of his campaign, feel free -- if it is information. But when it is instead exagerrated, or distorted, or mis-represented, expect some rebuttal. Unfortunately (in my experience, anyway) I have seen a lot more of tht kind of information-distortion coming from the Bush camp than the Kerry camp. A simple example: Kerry says "If you ask Dick Cheney's daughter she would say she was just being as God made her" (rather than choosing her lesbian lifestyle). The Bush camp (actually including Mary Cheny herself, funnily enough) takes this communication, which was compassionate and tolerant, and tries to twist it into an untoward attack. This sort of twist and slash messaging is useless, and merely upsets people. A |
