BS: Obama is a socialist

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: irishenglish
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 11:09 AM

Um, how did Pelosi screw up the California economy being a Maryland representative?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 10:49 AM

Here's the full version by the group....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMrm7ZQ0aMA&feature=related

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 10:44 AM

"ask yourselves..was I able to buy the computer you're on, because of an economy that allowed you to afford to buy it,..or was it made possible by a government social welfare program???"

I imagine for some people it's the first and for some people it's the second. All depends on circumstances.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 10:40 AM

Well the stocks sure ain't rising because of an anticipated Obama win!!!!

Here's what I wrote:
'What many, don't seem to connect, either on the far right, or the far left, is that these tensions, are caused by the two options we have been offered. For those on the right, you may not realize, that if McCain continues Bush's economic policies,....'

Do you see the word 'FAR', preceding the words 'left', and 'right'???

With Pelosi as well, (She and her ilk sure screwed up California's budget), there will come the most ridiculous tax increases for stupid programs, the planet has ever witnessed! California's economy went from sixth highest in the world, to bankruptcy with Pelosi, Boxer, and Feinstien...(Not up for a mindless debate either!)

Here's an appropriate video for you....listen to the lyrics!                        

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP1sQF7zRy8

As far as TIA's post....Hey, one man's ceiling is another man's floor!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: irishenglish
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 10:18 AM

Well GFS-after re reading your post, in fact I do not interpret what you wrote as being the same thing that I wrote. Moreover, that I am a trigger happy arguer. Laughable, actually. You say, "Now, on the left, some Einstein, will put forth a bunch of theoretical, ideological rant of why what I posted is not true...that same smart-ass, never owned or bought or sold a piece of stock in his life, either."

Again, I say, as someone on the left, not particularly Einstein, but pretty bright nonetheless, not particularly ranting, but merely stating his own reality, ideological or otherwise, sometimes a smartass, but someone who has both bought and sold several pieces of stock and other types of investments which thereby disproves this theory you ascribe to that liberals somehow don't invest, again I say sorry but you are wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Alice
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 10:06 AM

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- U.S. markets rallied Tuesday morning, joining markets around the world, as investors looked beyond recession fears and scooped up stocks hit in the recent retreat.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Amos
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:37 AM

its just logical, that the market is falling, in anticipation of an Obama win

This is th emost meretricious, off-the wall piece of illogic I have seen all month. Someone's been smoking fromt erh wrong end of the pipe, or sompn. This is loony illogic.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: TIA
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:28 AM

Yes, we have scrapped. And it is largely because I find your writing style completely pompous, condescending, and dismissive...witness the repeated snide Kumbaya references (which I suspect are inserted intentionally to rile the very type of person who inhabits this forum). But, you might be a fine person in real life, so best regards.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:27 AM

One thing that people who are promoting this idea fail to see (but many people with money to invest do not fail to see) is the fact that our economy is failing because it is stuck. It's stuck in an old paradigm that doesn't work any more. It's an oil based economy in an age when oil is becoming scarce. In order to maintain this old economic paradigm, it is necessary to wage resource wars all over the world, and to suppress whole societies and suppress peoples desire for, and striving toward democracy. This paradigm is good for enriching a few people at the top (spectacularly so), but it can't continue to grow indefinitely. Sooner or later it has to collapse like a house of cards. Which is what it's doing now.

The reason getting Obama elected will help the economy, is because he understands how to transition the country into the new economic paradigm. He understands that the economy has to move beyond the petroleum economy and into the green economy. That's where all of the future growth is. And once we are in the green economic paradigm, we won't need to waste vast amounts of money, resources, and human lives enforcing our stranglehold on the oil producing countries in the Middle East. When those vast amounts of money are freed up, they will be pumped back into the economy here at home, which will help it to grow even more.

The old paradigm is dead. The only question is how long people like the Republicans and their supporters are willing to wallow around in its corpse before they decide to let go and allow the rest of humanity to continue along in its natural evolution.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:11 AM

In order for anyone to believe that the market is falling because Obama's doing well in the polls, they have to ignore all of the other factors that have contributed to the total economic situation all over the world right now. Like the housing bubble, and the collapse of the housing bubble, the collapse of the derivatives market, and the collapse of large numbers of banks as a result of these things. I know blaming it on Obama is an attractive idea for people who are heavily invested in getting McCain elected, but it's just a fantasy and will only be bought by people who like to see the world in the simplest of terms.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:03 AM

"...it's not propaganda...its just logical, that the market is falling, in anticipation of an Obama win."


                   It's a self-fulfilling prophesy: The market is falling in anticipation of an Obama win, and voters are supporting Obama because the market is falling.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 08:55 AM

The market is falling because people have lost confidence in it. And well they might, under the circumstances. We both know it's all smoke and mirrors, and because the fundamentalist capitalist ideologues decided to run it into the ground, people want to get back out of it what they put into it. It is now, and has always been nothing more than an colossal ponzi scheme, and none of the people who were playing in it want to be among the ones who end up being the chumps. That's why the market is falling. It has nothing whatever to do with Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 08:48 AM

Once again, you've got it wrong, and mistook what I've said. Carol, it's not propaganda...its just logical, that the market is falling, in anticipation of an Obama win. Step back and consider why. Hey, I'm not saying things are going to be rosy with a McCain win, either. But, by in large, most heavy investors are not wanting their investments to be taxed at a higher rate. Obama's programs are not perceived as being 'investor friendly'.

Irish, If you could read my post, accurately, you'll see, that you just said the same thing I did..you bought your stuff with YOUR saved money, NOT from a government program, that handed it to you.

Methinks you're a trigger happy arguer for arguments sake.
'A wise man hears ALL before he speaks' -Proverbs

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: irishenglish
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 08:15 AM

For Gfs' benefit, since he seems so fucking jaded.

I am a liberal. I own a few stocks and IRA's. I have not, nor will not bail on the market right now, as the money I have in those is, in essence, "found money." Does that make me an Einstein? Or does it just make me a PERSON who happened to invest some money?

I bought my computer the old fashioned way, the same as I buy all my major purchases. Saving until I could afford them, putting that money in a boring old savings account. It was not, as you so gleefully put it, through a government social welfare program. Simple math-computer costs lets just say $1000. Put away money for a month or two without dipping into your weekly expenses and bills, maybe eat out a little less, stop buying coffee in the morning out, and whammo-new computer in a short time.

You seem to like to translate your thoughts onto people with an awful lot of assumptions about them. You seem to like the labels as well, such as socialist. You don't seem to understand that, yes, a lot of people are struggling in this country right now, including my wife and I. She just started college again, at age 30. We pay our rent on time. We have savings. We are able to go out on the weekend. We are struggling, but you know what? We figure it out. I don't want to be paying $4 for a gallon of milk, or frankly $12 for a six pack of beer. But we do. It ain't always easy, but we do. So forgive me, if I believe that the burden placed on millions of people like us across this country, and those even worse off could do far, far worse, than have a re-evaluation of the way things are going right now.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 08:04 AM

That claim that the stock market is plummeting because Obama's doing well in the polls is propaganda that is being promoted to help John McCain get elected, and there's no truth to it whatever.

Look, one or the other of these two candidates is going to get elected. For some people it might be fun to sit on the sidelines and snipe at people who have a preference about which one gets elected, but for some of us, the consequences are very serious. Like, for instance, those of us with no access to health care. So we'll just keep on keeping on, while others get their jollies sniping from the sidelines.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 08:00 AM

Sorry....duhh, hit the wrong key...

Well, I guess if Kucinich said to do it, as he was conceding defeat, instead of thinking it through, I guess you must obey!

In this particular 'election', I can't follow lock step, in line with either side. For me, the power is in the ball point sword!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 07:49 AM

Well, I've told you how it is!..was!..You know, all, we have all witnessed the mood of the protesters, BOTH SIDES, and maybe you're all mesmerized by your computer screens, or perhaps you're thinking this is all light weight stuff, and a couple choruses of Kumbaya will make it all go away. Today on the news, (no pictures included), they arrested two bozos who were plotting to off Obama. Anybody home??? As I posted before, this is one of the nastiest etc etc, elections, I've ever witnessed, only second to Chicago, 1968. I guess this only matters, to you, if it can be reduced to 'win' an argument on a blog.

What many, don't seem to connect, either on the far right, or the far left, is that these tensions, are caused by the two options we have been offered. For those on the right, you may not realize, that if McCain continues Bush's economic policies, which seems to favor, the elite of corporations, the doors are left wide open for the economic disaster, with all its ills, that we have witnessed(with more to come), are only going to spiral inflation, and more government bailouts, and 'privatizing' of government services, coupled with the corruption that goes along with that.

What the left doesn't get, is that while Obama's poll number continue to hold a lead, (and at this point, it appears he is going to win), the stock market is plummeting. Why, you might ask?. Because with his programs, which include taxing capital gain taxes, and going after the 'rich'. , in addition to Obama raising taxes to fund his social(istic) programs. People who have invested in stock futures, know that it's time to bail from the market, and cut their losses. Now before your itchy fingers, get ready to argue that, take pause for a moment, and ask yourselves..was I able to buy the computer you're on, because of an economy that allowed you to afford to buy it,..or was it made possible by a government social welfare program??? Same can be asked about your instruments, you allegedly play?...among other things.

Either of the opposing sides see the flaws of the other side, without either side taking an honest look at themselves. It might make for 'fun' pseudo-intellectual debates on here, and other places, but it is splitting our country apart, and making the fears of both sides come true. Now, on the left, some Einstein, will put forth a bunch of theoretical, ideological rant of why what I posted is not true...that same smart-ass, never owned or bought or sold a piece of stock in his life, either. So let me clue you in, the markets are falling due to an anticipated Obama win.... and to continue the Bush's(read: Paulsen's) economic policies got us into this mess....... Either way, we are going to get more meddlesome, intrusive, police state type government.So, get energized!!..Pick your poison., and above all, sing Kumbaya, and have fun!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 07:24 AM

My man Dennis says, "Vote for Obama!"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: irishenglish
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 07:07 AM

GfS- "You, being a Kucinich supporter, I would think so! He thought not too well of his opponent Obama, either. " But come convention time he gave a rousing speech urging Democrats to support Obama now didn't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: artbrooks
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 06:36 AM

The Waco incident began when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms attempted to serve a search warrant. They were turned away violently, and the subsequent attack on the compound was conducted by the FBI. Accounts vary, and blame for the subsequent loss of life has been assigned largely according to commentators' perspectives.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 02:39 AM

ATF says it's broken up assassination plot targeting Obama
By Lara Jakes Jordan
The Associated Press
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 10.27.2008
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/264373.php

Now, help me - the ATF is the mob that charged into a farm at Waco with tanks, helicopters and tear gas, resulting in the deaths of several?...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Genie
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 01:13 AM

Prolific author and talk radio host Thom Hartmann calls Bernie Sanders "America's Senator," and I agree.   Bernie calls himself a democratic (small D) socialist (small S) and is registered as an Independent.   He is probably the most honest, ethical, and sensible of all our Senators, not beholden to any political party but loyal and dedicated to the ideals of our constitutionally limited democratic republic.

To call Barack Obama a "socialist" a la Bernie Sanders is a great compliment to Barack -- and a great exaggeration of the populist leanings he has shown so far.

But we can hope. : )

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 11:02 PM

BACK ATCHA: I found no such account.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 10:07 PM

Oh, Dear TIA, How you and I used to scrap!.....I think you're showing glimmers of sanity..*wink*..I agree with your post. I guess news on the radio is unreliable, because nobody listens, and understands...they have to look at the pictures!

And all you exception takers, The people I talked to, were not any more McCain supported, or Obama supporters. The conversation never came up about that, till the end. As I said before(cups my hand around my mouth and yells across the mountains, and valleys) WITHOUT EXCEPTION, EITHER CANDIDATE SUPPORTER, OR NEITHER, DESCRIBED THE SAME THING!!!!

...walks down the mountain wagging my head, in dismay.............

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: TIA
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 09:45 PM

Fascinating. I originally posted the rockymountainnews video link with no editorial comment, but thought - to myself - that it showed McCain supporter tempers flaring if anything. But it is clearly a Rorshach test. People whose minds are made up (even if they claim that they are not) see what they want to see.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 05:50 PM

"...their accounts all corroborated, with each other..."

Lessee.... everyone who TOLD you that Obama supporters were naughty agree with each other.

Well...that sure convinces ME!........................... "giggle"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 05:08 PM

These days you aren't dependent on what people say happened. There are cellphones and digital cameras to show what actually happened.

So where are the video clips showing this kind of thing from Obama supporters :"They described it as a frenzy, extremely hostile, dangerous, and one likened it to a mob scene, right out of the news, from the middle east!!!"?

Plenty of stuff showing McCain supporters saying stuff like the ones in the link I posted earlier from Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and other places. But there doesn't seem to be much if any video evidence of Obama supporters going overboard.

I'd not be the least surprised if such evidence does exist - clearly tempers are high in this election, and there are nuts and nasties in every movement. But if so, where is it?

If it were a question of the professional media, you could say there's maybe some kind of "liberal censorship" going on. But with the kind of technology I mentioned, and the Internet, media censorship doesn't really work too well any more.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 04:47 PM

If anyone has been watching Sarah Palin rallies on TV it's obvious that they are anything
but peaceful when members of the audience are yelling destructive epithets and McCain and Palin do nothing to cool them down.

Obama's rallies however are contrasted by the fact that he discourages booing, "we don't need that" and exhorts his followers to "vote instead".

The one exception was McCain taking the mic away from the woman who claimed
Obama was "an Arab" and he following up with "No, he's a family man and a decent person". From this we can infer that McCain doesn't believe an Arab is capable of being either.It's this level of racism that permeates the McCain/Palin rallies.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 04:39 PM

Not at all!..I talked to the people who saw it, and their accounts all corroborated, with each other.....otherwise, I wouldn't have posted what I learned. Look, I don't have a dog in this fight. I personally think this is a mere charade of an election. Whomever wins, its not the American people, nor any upholding of our Constitution!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 10:42 AM

I've been trying to find news accounts corroborating GfS's reportage but I have not found anything that does so.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-macrallies_26pol.State.Edition1.e7c70d.html

News account of McCain rally in Durango. Mentions "hundreds of Mr. Obama supporters" but says nothing about any aggressive behavior

Not a word about it here either: "Durango is nestled in the mountains of southwest Colorado and has a population of about 15,000. As McCain's motorcade rolled through town on the way to the high school, he was greeted by hundreds of Obama supporters lining the streets.
"Inside the event, held on the football field, there were roughly an equal number of McCain supporters as there had been Obama supporters — at least when you subtracted the scads of non-voting-age high school students that had come to check out the rally.

"UPDATE: McCain senior adviser Mark Salter vehemently disagreed with the assertion that there were as many protesters outside as voting-age McCain supporters inside. Salter cited the U.S. Secret Service as his source for a crowd count inside and out — saying there were several thousand of all ages inside and only several hundred outside.
"Washington Wire always asks law enforcement officials on site at events for an independent crowd count. On Friday in Durango, Washington Wire asked for both a count of inside and out but was told nobody was keeping track because it was an outdoor venue."
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/24/graham-draws-laughs-at-mccain-rally/

Or here either:
"Several hundred protesters lined the route of John McCain's motorcade as he rolled in to Durango, Colorado for a rally in the small city (population 15,500) in the southwest corner of the state.

"The protest—one of the largest the campaign has seen—was loud and lively, and featured signs reading "F*** the Maverick" and "Joe the Plumber Is A Fraud."

"It wasn't clear how many people were at the rally other than the many students from the local high school.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/Signs_and_shtick_in_Durango.html

Or here:
"He compared it to McCain's recent trip in Durango. Though the town is in a blue county that voted for Democrat John Kerry in 2004, the rally on a high school football field drew more than 6,000 people.

"We went there, drew a line in the sand, and it was great," Kise said. "That's a testament to the fact it's going to be a competitive race."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/oct/27/100000-plus-jam-civic-center-to-back-candidate/


Conclusion:

Either GfS's surveying skills are seriously lacking or s/he/it knows a lot of marginal people.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 02:57 AM

You're right, Carol, I had to read your post several times to understand how you meant it..but I got it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 01:44 AM

Oops. Wrong thread again.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 01:44 AM

(My guess is that no one will provide any source for Obama making such a pledge.)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 01:35 AM

I think my words have been twisted a bit. I'm saying that I won't believe the stories about Obama supporters behaving aggressively toward McCain supporters until I see some evidence of it. Such evidence doesn't need to come from the media. There's plenty of evidence of aggressive behavior by McCain supporters that doesn't come from the media, so we know that if Obama supporters were really behaving in such an aggressive manner, the evidence of it can be had, even if the media doesn't provide it.

Personally, I think people are just making stuff up to try to make Obama look bad (as they have been doing all along).

To the extent that I have any problems with Obama, they are problems with his policies. As far as I'm concerned, the way the McCain campaign is focusing on lies they're making up about Obama that have nothing whatever to do with his policies, demonstrates how utterly bankrupt both McCain and his campaign are when it comes to the things that matter the most to me, like any kind of coherent, meaningful, and constructive platform, and integrity and character. If McCain had anything other than more of what GW Bush gave us to offer, he wouldn't need to resort to the kinds of slimy smears and lies he and his campaign been lobbing about for months.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 01:22 AM

art, ..now that is completely different, from what I heard, and the headline, in the same 'Durango Herald', that ran yesterday. I guess the head of the Republican Chairman, Ron Tate, is trying to paint a smooth, peaceful image. Oh well, I guess you're believing the Republicans now. Might as well, believe the rest of what they are saying, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 11:55 PM

This from the Durango Herald : John McCain's Durango rally peaceful ... La Plata County Republican Party Chairman Ron Tate said local organizers were prepared for the worst in the event divergent political views escalated into something more, but he was pleasantly surprised. "It was just a great day," Tate said. ... "[Republican volunteer Sherri] Rochford said New York Times photographer Stephen Crowley told her Durango was the most beautiful stop he's seen in months on the campaign trail. He also said the number of Obama supporters was the most he's seen at any McCain event. He even commented about the civility shown by supporters and opposition toward each other. "We can be proud of our town. The citizens of Durango and the surrounding communities behaved well and showed their support, and that's what we're supposed to do," Rochford said.

I guess opinions differ, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 11:49 PM

You, being a Kucinich supporter, I would think so! He thought not too well of his opponent Obama, either.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 11:40 PM

Most of the videos of aggression by McCain supporters are not from the media. I'm going to reserve judgment on that one until I see some evidence to support it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 11:29 PM

"....that video from Colorado, the only aggressive behavior in that video....."

Repeatedly, I was told, that it was quite the opposite....by numerous eye witnesses, who supported either or no candidate. Too bad the media, shot only what it shot..I was just as curious, myself!

Don't you just love to watch Americans dividing themselves with such hostility?? Don't you just love to watch our nation being torn apart, as a result of corrupt politicians??,,Great entertainment! This 'election' is about the sickest, deplorable, deceptive, dirty, 'election' I've seen in my life!!

Maybe, Michelle Obama can be '..proud of America..', now!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 09:54 PM

So far, I have not seen the kind of aggression being directed at McCain supporters by Obama supporters that I've seen being directed at Obama supporters by McCain supporters (in quite a few videos). Even in that video from Colorado, the only aggressive behavior in that video is being directed at Obama supporters by McCain supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 09:46 PM

From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 08:53 PM

GFS-

And what did your plumber have to say, and was he or she licensed to practice?

Our electrician, was in the very same position. What I posted is accurate. He worked for a licensed electrician, but the boss,(owner) had to check everything, before he put his name to it, so it could be inspected by the county, and approved. Certain trades have to do that(more, in different states).

CarolC, It has been on both sides, and yet, though this is well known, neither of the candidates seem to address their supporters, either at all, or very effectively...Shame on them!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 09:05 PM

I'd just like to see some documentation for Obama supporters behaving as described. So far, I haven't been able to find any, only documentation of McCain supporters behaving badly. Considering all of the really vicious lies that have been told about both Obama and his supporters, I think my skepticism is quite reasonable.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 08:53 PM

GFS-

And what did your plumber have to say, and was he or she licensed to practice?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 08:47 PM

Below, is the headline, I copied and pasted. If you can't get the video, its not that big of a deal. It didn't show much of what I was talking about...mostly some interviews, and a little tension, and harassing on the line. The main stuff was in the street.
By the way, in case you haven't seen the cartoon, or not, 'Tweedy Bird' is yellow.
I'm telling you how it was. As for CarolC. (oh Carol...),Either or both sides behaving in this manner is wrong, and only increases the tension, that I'm sure the string pullers love to see. Let's not give them that satisfaction!

Tensions flare up outside McCain's rally

McCain and Obama supporters clash outside of McCain's rally at the National Western Arena.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 06:52 PM

Hey! Ya talkin' to me? Ya talkin' to me?

lol

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 06:43 PM

Is McCain employing a lot of these idiots polluting the net?

If Obama was any of the things you suggest the FBI or the CIA would come right out and say it, and he would never have got to where he is.

Meanwhile if you feel you have all this concrete proof of the man's traitorous intentions - shouldn't you be presenting it to the relevant authorities?

Isn't a more persuasive interpretation of the facts that you are a dumb little racist/conspiracy theory nut? Either that or you fit into the McCain victory strategy as cosily as moose taking, stun guns, and taking no responsibility for the financial shit that America is in?

Could you disprove my overwhelming suspicions?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 06:07 PM

More McCain supporters...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vagD-4AH4Vc

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 06:00 PM

And I found these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDys9SbVF7k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOjKrFJxu28

A little street theater...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr4MCuvYXIk

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 05:53 PM

I couldn't view the previously linked video of a McCain rally, but I looked around and this is the kind of thing I found. Looks like it's the McCain supporters who are being obnoxious in this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSHsM9OzHGE

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 05:32 PM

So are we to understand that the Rocky Mountain News video TIA linked us was drastically censored to make the Obama supporters look totally unthreatening and the whole thing fairly low key? Because that was how it appeared from that clip.

All looked a lot less unpleasant than the stuff in the first minute of this video from a previous occasion, a few weeks ago. (After the first minute it turns into a slide show about Obama, to accompany Dolores Keane singing Let it Be.)

No doubt about it, partisan politics can be remarkably ugly at times. Anyone involved in this kind of situation needs to step back and look at what they are doing and saying, to check they aren't stepping over the line. And that goes for us on threads here as well.