more session rudeness

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Polite Guest
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 04:18 PM

AND..The Oysterband have been informed....so watch it!

No-one, but no-one gets to bring that festival into disrepute...

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Polite Guest
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 04:15 PM

OK, so I'm sitting here, reading this thread, whilst listening to 'Big Session Volume 1' by The Oysterband and...their GUESTS.

The Big Session, as someone has said above, is a relatively new festival, organised by The Oysterband themselves. It is proving to be well loved and looked forward to each year now. Hardly surprising, for the Oysters themselves are well loved.

HOWEVER! ALL 'guests' of the band, are there at their request. As such, when they accept that request, they have, in my opinion, a duty and also a responsibility to uphold the honour under which they've been trusted to not only be booked, but I presume, perhaps also paid, to be at the festival.

Therefore, perhaps if they are lucky enough to once again be chosen to play at The Big Session, they would care to remember that they are representing The Oysterband, a band for whom there is one hell of a lot of respect out here.

And, for those cocky young kids in here, could I just ask you to do something. Turn this fiasco around and imagine how you would have felt if you had wanted to join in this session, a session run by older people, who refused to let you play? You'd have been angry I'd guess, so...learn the lesson of humility from this thread.

Do NOT bring The Big Session into disrepute, nor any other festival where you are lucky enough to be booked, because you know what, there a thousand other youngsters with equal talent out there who will fill you shoes instantly, and have a great deal more respect.

And this comes from someone who is a huge supporter of youngsters in the folk world...You are it's future, you are it's lifeblood, you therefore carry a huge responsibilty upon your shoulders. By all means, have a great time, have the most fabulous time, but never forget that EVERYONE is included in the folk world.

You are it's future, BUT, you are also part of it's past, and if it wasn't for all these 'ol folk in here you would not have the music that you do! So think on that....and learn.

And if you can't be bothered to learn that, then get your arses out of the folk world, and into mainstream music, where no-one gives a sod about anyone else.

In THIS world, you CARE!

Got it?

GOOD!

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 04:14 PM

My T-shirt is a little worn out could I get a free one if I argue with you? ;)

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,cool as folk or whatever brigsomething
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 04:12 PM

In reference to sleeping with Ruths daughter, I speak in jest. Comments on age were made as she's actually too young, much like you stuffy old gits (sic) think i am. Do you really take a conversation where i offer complementary t-shirts and consolation for ruining someone's life seriously? Lighten up guys (see www.freelightbulbsforoaps.gov.uk) and get with the joke. The aforementioned port wasn't poured down her gullet by me. Just jokingly passed to her in view of her mother.

p.s. would you also like a free t-shirt?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 04:01 PM

IMHO - Everyone in the session should take responsibility for the session. More than once I have heard that one person on a training course will get on a soap box and ruin the meeting for the other delegates. Sometimes the trainer cannot get the "wild hair" to behave and no one else will stand up and say "This is not your show!"

Same thing when I was in university. If a classmate was mucking up a lecture that I was paying good money for, I had no problem telling them to pack it in or leave and stop wasting everyone's time.

More than a few times I had to ask a noisy group of "non-participants" at a session during the Rochester Sweeps to keep it down, so I could hear the performers. I mentioned that it was a planned session and invited them to perfomr. Unfortunately, drink and pure self-centeredness over-ruled me. Still I stayed and kept picking away at them.

People (especially the young arrogant ones) need to be told when they are doing something wrong. In the long run, you will be doing them a favour. Better they don't ruin a future break into fame by creating a past of infamy among the real folk.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 04:01 PM

Big Mick... All god's creatures got a place in the choir... greatness is in us all...

Moaning and throwing a hissy fit about how you weren't accepted as a performer by fellow performers do not score well on an audience.

Yes, you are right, a graceful performer does well, we all have our turn to shine! Unfortunately, it sounds like the ungraceful one in the argument is supposed to be the mature one and the immature one is returning in true style as only the 20 somethings can... namely "am I bovverd". to keep reading the thread after is pointless!!!

Unless you enjoy the quips lol ;D

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,TotallyFolked
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 04:01 PM

Tuba boy, be careful as you're starting to sound like another rather older accordian player ;P
And yes CL is senile as well as being old, but we love her anyways.

ooo, first ever post on mudcat!

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Def Shepard
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:57 PM

Marked it on me map for future reference:-D

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:53 PM

*points* it's over yonder hill!

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Def Shepard
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:52 PM

ummmm....where's Toronto? :-D

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Def Shepard
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:50 PM

Alright, 'oo let the old geezer in, the one with the lampshade on his noggin? :-D

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:50 PM

Well let's all big up Big Mick for he has worked in Nashville and Toronto dont you know! ;)

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:50 PM

it's the first time I've heard CAS called disgusting... oops I mean it's NOT the first time I've heard CAS called disgusting lol

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:46 PM

It seems to me some of you folks just like to yell at each other, or be smart asses. I will make a couple of observations, not that I think it will make much difference:

- the first piece of session etiquette involves watching and making sure you fit in, who is the dominant/leader in the group, and what rules they seem to be following.

- if a session is advertised by encouraging folks to bring their instruments, then a session leader (regardless of age) should be prepared for folks of varying ability, and make allowances for them, and be encouraging.

- excluding folks by freezing them out simply shows a lack of class, not how good you are. BTW, I have done some work in Nashville and Toronto. Do you know how many fantastic players are sitting on the bench? Smugness just shows you to be an immature idiot, who will find out soon enough that there are many great players. But the type of performer that lives on in the memory of all is usually one that is gracious.

- your comment about Ruth Archer demonstrates that you have much growing up to do. I suppose we have all been there, so perhaps you will grow out of this.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:39 PM

""he's laughing alright, but at the funniness of this thread"

ooops that SHOULD have read, "NOT at the funniness of this thread" ;-D "


Somehow that makes it all the more entertaining, you've already started thinking along the same lines as us, it's only a matter of time before you're assimilated. Resistance is futile :P

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Def Shepard
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:37 PM

"he's laughing alright, but at the funniness of this thread"

ooops that SHOULD have read, "NOT at the funniness of this thread" ;-D

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:36 PM

I did read your thread at the beginning... I just think you are stressing too much... I must admit that I got confused and sidetracked by Howard Jones posting on this cos he is one of the godfathers of electronica :D

80's music, quality!!!

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Guest - WrightOldRacket
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:36 PM

U know what I was trying to be diplomatic but forget it.

Maybe some people feel fucked over by the way some other people behaved but shit, that happens. It was unintentional.

Come and introduce yourself next time we in the same field and I'll buy U a beer. Maybe we can start a fresh?

Peace out.

I'm done here.

t x

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:34 PM

Nice thing about plates is ya can brush yer teeth and eat at the same time.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Def Shepard
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:33 PM

"Or perhaps he's having a laugh"

he's laughing alright, but at the funniness of this thread

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:33 PM

""have all the old people gone to bed then"
You know this old fart better than that FolkisCool
But we do eat occasionally - obviously liquids cos our teeth are in a jar
CL x "

Would appear you're not just crazy but perhaps senile too as it was Cool as Folk Brigade who asked that question not me.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Def Shepard
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:32 PM

""and i wasnt trying to shag her. just get her drunk for a laugh. she's to old for me"

Well laddie, just maybe someone (or someones, it's more fun) should tie you down and shove alcohol down your throat, though wait....that would put them on your level on the evolutionary tree, which I believe is somewhere below the amoeba or, as the old saying goes, if ignorance truly is bliss, you must be orgasmic.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:31 PM

"That is one of the more disgusting things I have ever seen on Mudcat. Keriste. Do y'all associate with shit like that? What a fuckin' dink he is. "

Or perhaps he's having a laugh, going with the flow and just enjoying himself with this thread much like the sessions?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,dizzyLisa
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:30 PM

"have all the old people gone to bed then"
You know this old fart better than that FolkisCool
But we do eat occasionally - obviously liquids cos our teeth are in a jar
CL x

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:27 PM

'"and i wasnt trying to shag her. just get her drunk for a laugh. she's to old for me"'

That is one of the more disgusting things I have ever seen on Mudcat. Keriste. Do y'all associate with shit like that? What a fuckin' dink he is.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:26 PM

This is my very last post on this topic, it has descended in to lunacy and has gone far off the point. I am maybe ten yrs older than the cool as folkers (though maybe that seems like a lifetime to them ),I am not some old stick in the mud traditionalist. They worked a number on me, they eased me out. They were unfriendly and rude.They did not want me in your session. Yo kids,seriously , you were 'booked to play in the beer tent all day' , so how did that work out when proper grown up acts were payed to perform until early evening in said tent. Were you booked to lead the session? if so, for reasons more than adequately discussed, you did an appalling job trying to turn it into your own gig. Right, so you were paid to play in the middle of the field, spoiling the music that the proper booked artists were making in the aforementioned beer tent. I am confused!!I know that I will not win, one of you lot will be straight back in with an incredibly witty and sarcastic load of nonsense. Reflect my friends, reflect!I think you know who I am, I certainly will remember you...And Yeah Mr Diamond, peace and love and other such smug, pseudo flannel. Read my first post and you may more or less work out that is why I went to the session in the first place. Thankyou and goodnight...

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:26 PM

I really should check this forum more often this has had me laughing for quite a while now.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:22 PM

"and i wasnt trying to shag her. just get her drunk for a laugh. she's to old for me"

i don't know which bit of that sentence is the most sick and wrong...

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:21 PM

"I shall look forward to that Ruth. Hows SDD? and of course the port drinker?"

Both well, thank you. The port drinker is all loved up - he has dyed black hair, too! Awww...

She's coming to Towersey - and bringing a mate!

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:19 PM

Are Tuba lessons expensive hehehe

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,'cool as folk' brigade
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:19 PM

and i wasnt trying to shag her. just get her drunk for a laugh. she's to old for me

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:18 PM

That's it... I'm send my sons to you Cool as Folk lol ;)

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:17 PM

"I guess that's why 'Ruth Archer' felt so welcomed - because she got the atttude right...."

also see my response of 03:16 pm...

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,'cool as folk' brigade
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:17 PM

I shall look forward to that Ruth. Hows SDD? and of course the port drinker? Im off out but i shall return later. Can someone save my virtual seat?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:16 PM

Can I join you Ruth? I'll only sing a couple then I'll be too drunk (hopefully) ;)

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:16 PM

" bloody children making me penniless... they'll be stealing our sessions next lol ;)"

just wait till the tuba player wants to shag your daughter...

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:15 PM

lol... am going to bed in a min tbh... hehehe

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:15 PM

The king has spoken, all hail the king.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,'cool as folk' brigade
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:15 PM

ahh. we're in the precence of royalty

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:15 PM

"have all the old people gone to bed now then?"

No - i'm still here. And will be singing on the Sidders campsite - ESPECIALLY to those who hate the sound of the human voice.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Banjiman
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:14 PM

I don't know, you come into our forum, take over, we just can't get a word in in edgeways with your kickin' and your beatboxes.......and look someone just pinched me seat. Pass me my zimmer I'm off to find a discussion forum I can keep up with........

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:13 PM

I think perhaps you exhausted them with your quick wit and response.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:13 PM

Otis... yep for my sins another 30 something year to notch on the tent pole :s

And I'm really skint this year... bloody children making me penniless... they'll be stealing our sessions next lol ;)

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,King_of_wales
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:13 PM

Ok, I was going to stay out of this but....

As I understand it the individuals concerned were asked by the festival organisers to come along and play tunes in the session area - both to attract a crowd and keep the session momentum going. That's what they did. End of.

Speaking from personal experience of playing with these guys (and girls) they're a bunch of top class musicians equally happy playing trad, contemporary or self penned tunes (hence being asked to play at festivals by festival organisers). Some sets of tunes (mainly trad) have become well practised by these guys over the years (of meeting up at sessiona) so I can see how it may sound like a performance set on occasion. But really it's all about having fun with the music and that means joining in with anybody and everybodys tunes. I guess that's why 'Ruth Archer' felt so welcomed - because she got the atttude right....

/2p

The other accordion player (HRH Wales).

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,'cool as folk' brigade
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:11 PM

have all the old people gone to bed now then?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:11 PM

T Wright... there is a real up and coming plus fringe workshop on beatboxing on most festival campsites :D

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Guest - WrightOldRacket
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:10 PM

Lee did come back and did drumming. that was prety cool.

Steve Earl was AWESOME!!!!! If you've not heard the new record then check it out.very cool stuff.

New Bellowhead material was totally kicking too.

T x

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:08 PM

Fucking Twentysomethings...

The next time I see any of their parents I'm going to have serious words....

T x

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Otis Luxton
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:08 PM

Hey Houston,

I havent actually planned to go to Sidmouth this year, or any festivals for that matter. Im quite skint. I may do some stewarding, but that still costs money if im there. Sorry if you were looking foward to the Hair soundtrack. hehe. I think this thread has almost been exhausted? Are you at Sidders this year?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: irishenglish
Date: 16 Jun 08 - 03:07 PM

Well, I asked this earlier, but no one really answered-These issues notwithstanding, how was The Big Session Festival anyway? Lee was supposed to come back and do some drumming, was he there? And how was Steve Earle?