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BS: Palin sips tea tonight

Riginslinger 10 Feb 10 - 03:49 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 03:49 PM

Which, of course, seems to be more than anyone else has got, at the moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 03:07 PM

I have seen nothing to cause me to think these people are the least bit politically astute.

Sure they are. They figured out that they needed some female eye candy as the face of their movement if they wanted to win anything (because that's all they've got).


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:14 AM

I don't think Perot was in-synch with the people who supported him. If he was he would have let Richard Lamm run in 1996. If that had happened, we probably wouldn't even have a Tea Party movement today.
          Whether Lamm won or lost, the issues would have been presented to the public, and whoever won in '96 would have had to address them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: beeliner
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:36 AM

Perot had well-thought-out platforms, whether you agreed and whether they were tenable or not.

Sarah Palin's only platforms are the ones in her shoes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:23 AM

I have seen nothing to cause me to think these people are the least bit politically astute. Perotistas were genius masterminds in comparison.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:47 AM

These are simply Ross Perot supporters who are older and wiser now, and more politically astute.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:52 PM

You are right Carol.
I was using Opera and haven't downloaded adobe flash for Opera yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:41 PM

I like how the batshit hypocrite can read from crib notes in her palm to answer a mindlessly simple question, but denigrates Obama for using a teleprompter to give a long speech. I don't so much blame her - you can't really blame a rock for not being sentient - but her handlers and to a lesser extent her mindless minions for not calling her on her hypocrisy.

Okay, I was just kidding about that. You can't blame them either.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:40 PM

I'm not a member and I was able to watch it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:31 PM

nothin to watch, you have to sign in, register and be a member to see the clip?

I did see it on TV though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:23 PM

We are at Defcon 3 Madame President. If our answer to the suspected terrorist subway explosion in Queens is to be made, it must be made now. What shall it be? Plan A by nuking Iran, plan B by nuking Iraq Iran and Afghanistan, or plan C - nuking every nation that is not a member of NATO, or have you a plan D of your own ???

President Palin looks down at the palm of her hand that is glistening with perspiration and says gigglingly, "By golly I had a plan D but it got all smudgy from my hot toddy tea. Why doncha just go with Plan A through C until I get back in touch with my Pastor, Oh and by the way, tell Roger Ailes that as soon as he has camera crews in place we are ready to go."


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:11 PM

Does J.P. know how to turn a buck into a bundle?

His history doesn't give one much hope.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:04 PM

LOL!

Amerigasm

If you watch to the end, you can actually see her sneaking a peek at what she'd written on her hand while answering a question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:02 PM

Palin holds a full house, 3 war cards and two oil cards.

Obama has an economy card, a jobs card, a bail out card, a health care card and a war card.

Palin goes all in with the backing of unlimited Corporate funding.

Obama stares at his cards and slowly strokes his chin, he looks up at Palin with a fatherly admonition and says, "All in" as he lays down his flush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 08:32 PM

Monsieur
O..O
=o= ,

Does J.P. know how to turn a buck into a bundle?
If so, how?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 01:10 PM

Whee-dee-dee-dee-dee whee-dee-dee-dee-dee whee-um-um-away (2x)

Down in Nashville, in seedy Nashville, Miss Palin sips tonight
At the party, the humble party, Miss Palin sips tonight

(Amos: I can tell you stories about Mr. J.P. He's my wife's ex.)

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:56 AM

So, Greg, you're incapable of expressing yourself?    So sorry to hear that--and it certainly is remarkable in an alleged professor. But I'm sure it couldn't possibly be that you actually have no constructive ideas to contribute.   So that's a relief.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:07 AM

Why don't you simply tell me what I think, Simple Seeker, as you usually do? Would save me a lot of time & effort.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:46 AM

"Judson Phillips is a Tennessee lawyer, specializing in personal injury lawsuits, drunk-driving cases and men who get into trouble beating their wives. It was his idea to incorporate Tea Party Nation as a money-making venture and charge $349 to hear Sarah Palin talk about what's wrong with America over steak and lobster this weekend in Nashville.

Andrew Young is a North Carolina lawyer, specializing in John Edwards. The deceptions. The baby born to the mistress. It was his job to make sure the Diet Sprite never ran low. And when Edwards suggested that Young co-habitate with the senator's mistress, to further an outrageous lie, Young set up the guest room and explained to his family that they now had new members.

If there's money to be made hitching your wagon to a politician trading in populism, well, who can fault these fine men for seizing the opportunity. They must know, the check is more reliable than the politician.

Palin and Edwards are two of an American archetype, opportunists playing to outrage while taking care of themselves. They are both attractive, with that lucky combination of genes that rarely lands on more than one member of an extended family. They can both hold an audience without saying anything of substance, or even making sense.

They repeat certain phrases: "good people," "real Americans" and "God's will" for Palin; "hard-working folks," "two Americas" and "millworker's son" for Edwards. Code words, time-worn and simple, that say: I'm one of you.

Members of the Tea Party movement, from people who can't stand having an African-American in the White House to those genuinely concerned about the sea of debt, share at least one thing: they fear the country has gone to ruination.

They see "elites" in banking, on Wall Street, in Washington, getting theirs at a time when average income did not go up a dime over the last, lost decade. They should be mad. America is passing them by.

Edwards at one point claimed to be their leader, to share their pain, even before this movement had a name. His acolyte of 10 years, the attorney Andrew Young, believed every word.
Sarah Palin on her book tour in DecemberAssociated Press Sarah Palin on her book tour in December.

But Edwards was scamming him. The senator drove a clunker to rallies — someone else's car — but tooled around in his Lexus or BMW in private. He wore Armani suits, careful to tear the label off. While he nested in a $6 million mansion of nearly 30,000 square feet, he complained about the "fat rednecks" he had to listen to, those people living in trailers, with no health insurance, the other Americans.

And the scam extended to loyal donors, most notably Bunny Mellon, the 99-year-old heir to a dynastic family, whose money was solicited to cover up the mistress story, in Young's account.
Now Young has found the light, he says in "The Politician," his tell-all book. "Virtually every word that came of his mouth was a lie," he says of Edwards, "but it was convincing."

Palin is trying to get in front of the same parade that Edwards wanted to lead. When she quit on her state, barely halfway through a single term as governor, her explanation was a classic of incoherence.
She never mentioned the obvious reason for resigning: to get rich, quick. Nothing wrong with that; it's as American as late-night ads for the Snuggie — the blanket with sleeves! But why not come out and say it, instead of cloaking it in some larger cause?

If Palin truly believed in the Tea Partiers and their discontent, she would not be charging $100,000 to stoke their fears. She can do that for free, on Fox. And what policy solutions does she offer the troubled middle class? Tax cuts, like the ones that caused this massive deficit to begin with? Preventing new regulation of the banks that got us into this horrid economic collapse, under the guise of "less government"?

She has nothing to offer but honeyed words, the syrup for suckers. "

NYT


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:00 AM

Yes, I'm with Ebbie. I'd love to hear your contributions, Greg.   Since I somewhat suspect you disagree with my views. ( Just a hunch.)

Please, of course, ground your observations in logic and political awareness. (We wouldn't want to think you were a master of puerile resentment and nothing else--which we know of course is not true.)

Thanks.   I knew you would.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:44 AM

wow
now thats a convention!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:42 AM

The Tea Baggers Credo: THE ONLY ENEMY OF REAL GOD FEARING AMERICANS IS THE Unconstitutional control and spending of Big Goverment.


Waking up America and understanding common sense.

Obama will lead you to enslavement and extermination just as we have seen tyrants in history attack their own people during times of economic hardship. Never mind if he is not qualified to be the legal President, what he and his fascist communists have done is to buy up our car companies and banks with our tax payers money and plunged us into historic debt.
Big Goverment needs Texas more than Texas needs Big Goverment.
Big Goverment needs to end democracy, liberty and gun rights to leave American families defensless. We won't let them take our guns without a fight!

(shouts of support from the crowd like "Yeah Git 'em!" )

We are being called racist christian gun nuts just because we are standing up for what our country used to stand for...Freedom!
We stand for down to earth sanity and will bring down tyrants from the top down and fill Congress from the bottom up with real Americans who love and worship God. We have the common sense answers to every goverment theft of our land water and income. We understand the common sense that it is ungodly murder to kill our unborn babies.

(Big cheers fromt he crowd)

The Bernie Madoffs and the Barak Hussein Obamas of this world will pay for their stealing from hard working Americans, and will feel the wrath of our common sense. If they don't undertand we will elect Real Americans who do and get rid of the rest who just don;t get it. College Professors don't get it, Hypocritical Hollywood types don't get it, Hip Hoppers don't get it, Liberals don't get it, Unions don't get it, Tree hugging global hoaxers don't get it....BUT WE WILL SHOW THEM WHO DOES - Stand up America and show them who gets it !
We are the Tea Bag Army!
every one of us cares!
We are all armed and not afraid to use them
to save our country from queers.

(THe crowd goes wild)

YAAAY YAAAA WAHOOOOOOOOOO WHOOP WHOOP WOOF WOOF WOOF
God bless America
Land that I love
stand beside her and guide her
to drink tea and be free
from the thugs.

God bless Sarah Palin God Bless freedom from regulations God Bless the roots of our Liberty that needs to be watered with blood.


(now the crowd is in a rivalist frenzy with people speaking in tongues, guys firing pistols in the air and Fox news people celebrating as they run for cover.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:33 AM

Obama to Palin???..What is this ? The changing of the guard? One celebrity for another?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 02:44 AM

sensible

?


"If we attack Iran like most Americans want, well then the country would be united again and we would have reason to be proud again!"


naw, she ain't sensible.

If we need to point to the last absolute US American military invasion victory we would have to go all the way back to Reagan and the gret victory over the country of Grenada.


Was our Panama war a success? We did capture Noreiga but Chania bought the canal. The Persian Gulf war left Saddam in power.
Iraq is not mission accomplished and neither is Afghanistan Uzbekistan pakistan Somaali and the rest.

Hail Grenada, our last great VICTORY!

that is, until the military genius of Sarah Palin might lead the way to wiping Iran off the map.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 10:47 PM

Greg F, I'd like to hear what you have to say on the matter. Surely we can use all the voices and opinions we can conjure?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 10:29 PM

...if you think Sarah will present herself as a wacko religious airhead...

IF?? WILL?? She has done from the first.

Simple Seeker's talking to himself again and impressing himself mightily. But then, he's been the star in his own home-produced movie for a long time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 09:54 PM

"...turned off by intra-party squabbles..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 09:34 PM

And if you think Sarah will present herself as a wacko religious airhead, think again.   Even a Mudcatter--and one not on the Right--has said that listening to her on one program, she sounded sensible.   She will be well coached to do that--and by then she will have learned that after winning your party's nomination, you play toward the center.

As one poster has noted, our best chance is that the "Tea Party" splits off from the Republicans.   History of third parties does not support this.   Unless the "Tea Party" supporters are so turned by intra-party squabbles--before the primaries-- that they refuse to support Republicans, the "Tea Party", like so many others, will be co-opted.   In fact if Sarah is the nominee, the Tea Party won't have to make many compromises.

Also, don't forget that it's independents who really hold the whip hand. And they of course are not tied to any party.   If they are impressed with Sarah--for whatever reason, regardless of whether we think it's drivel--the Democrats have problems.

And if the economy is still in the doldrums in 2011-2012, it's painfully obvious what the main Republican mantra will be:   "Change".    Sound familiar?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 09:12 PM

Yes, take her seriously. As a whole lot of people did not take Reagan or GWB seriously. And lived to regret it.

As I've noted earlier, her chosen trajectory is that of Reagan.    And we'd best hope--and try to ensure as best we can in our small ways--that the run-up to to 2012 does not resemble that to 1980.

And I've already noted one of the obvious ways that Mudcatters and others left of center can try to defuse Sarah. Not that people left of center are likely to take this advice.

The other way I've also noted--question is whether it's too late now. Those who pushed hard for the public option should have realized their best chance was Olympia Snowe's "trigger".   Among other things that would have brought her on board the health care reform process--at a time she was being called a "traitor" to her party by zealots within it. Who knows, maybe she would have switched parties if given a better reception to her "trigger" suggestion.

Now the best chance is pushing your Representatives to pass the Senate bill as is--and with every day that becomes less and less likely.

And it becomes more and more likely that this Congress will in fact be tagged as a "do-nothing Congress."   With predictable results in the fall.

As David Plouffe has pointed out, the Republicans will hang Democrats for the health care reform plan--whether or not the Democrats now pass it. So:   "...hanged for a sheep as for a lamb".

It seems clear that some conservative Democrats will not accept the"nuclear option". It's the liberals--including the unions--who have to accept the Senate bill as is.   And so far, there's no indication they will. Partly since they have not heard from constituents--like
American Mudcatters-- that they should.

And, what's more, they have to pass the health care bill soon--so that Congress can get back to a direct assault on the economic slump, while having something they can claim as an accomplishment.   After all, does anybody think that the Congress elected this fall will be any more amenable to progressives' wishes?    If so, I have a bridge to sell them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:26 PM

Here is another sample of her coherence:

(At the Tea Party Caucus) "Palin urged the crowd to support Perry's conservative policies and gave a speech filled with comparisons between her home state and Texas. "Washington is broken. But your state under Governor Perry's leadership is setting an example that really a whole lot of other people now want to start following. And, as they say, if it ain't broke, why fix it?" Palin said.

And a blogger responded:

"She's kidding, right? A brief glance at any recent statistics shows that Texas rates at or near the bottom nationwide in terms of health coverage, crime rates, education and childhood poverty.

"As a Texan, I'm really offended at some Alaskan moron coming to my state and telling me how it is, especially when none of her assertions are based in reality."


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Amos
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:22 PM

Seems to me the nation should have learned that voting for someone who is too dumb to run for dogcatcher and can only push buttons with borrowed rhetoric is BAD for the nation and the world. It isn't like it was very long ag--around 2000 I think--and surely responsible citizens can remember that far back...what? Oh. Well, never mind then.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: kendall
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:58 PM

The Mayan calendar predicts an end to the world as we know it in 2012. Did they foresee Palin?

Ring, the media didn't do anything to Palin, she hung herself for being an air head who couldn't answer the simplest questions.

I suppose she could get the republican nomination, Warren Harding got it and he was another witless flange head.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:41 PM

The movie scene this whole thing reminds me of is from "BCATSDK". Newman has to fight this big sonuvagun who draws a Bowie knife the size of New Hampshire. Newman says to him, "Let's decide the rules first." The guy answers, "What? Rules in a knife fight?" Newman then gives him a seriously hard kick in the stones. As the guy begins to crumble, Newman says, "OK. If there's no rules, let's get the fight started." The Dems are pussycats compared to the Republicans at playing dirty. It's time they learned, imo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:37 PM

"If the economy and war situations don't improve drastically--especially the economy--President Obama (or any other Democrat) will have big problems."

What the Dems HAVE to do, and soon, is nail the Republicans--without mercy--regarding the debt they (the Dems) inherited. I think that any reference to Palin would be very counter-productive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: beeliner
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:08 PM

The Tea Party is the harbinger of things to come. The independents are fickle, as pointed out above; they also look for simple solutions.

Mudcatters had best start taking Sarah seriously.

Guys (or guys and gals), the Tea party's problem is that it hasn't presented ANY solutions, easy, difficult, or anywhere inbetween. Ms. Palin certainly didn't present any in her speech - nothing but empty rhetoric.

She is such a ninny she wasn't even able to handle the governorship of Alaska - she resigned amid mounting scandals.

My own lifetime is filled with a succession of "populist revolution" candidates - Henry Wallace, George Wallace, Gene McCarthy, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, Ross Perot, regardless of your opinion of their politics, every single one of them with more intelligence in his little finger than Sarah Palin has between her ears.

Take her seriously? That's a good one! I gotta say, though, I hope she runs on a third party ticket, that will split the conservative vote and assure a Democrat victory in 2012.

But all that having been said, it's still the economy, first ands foremost.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:03 PM

Limit government spending except for the military. Whose excesses didn't even raise their eyebrows under Bush. Which makes some liberals wonder what they REALLY want, since what they say they want so clearly isn't.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 06:25 PM

The Tea Party itself so far is a focus for those who want to limit federal Government powers, limit government spending, and limit policy change.
Its weakness is the lack of a program to bring about these objectives, based on middle class fears.
If the Republican Party can propose a program based on these fears of federal centralization, they will get the votes of the angered and disaffected who are attracted to the Tea group.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:45 PM

The Tea Party is the harbinger of things to come.

God help us.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 04:26 PM

Of course the Tea Party base is looking to influence the Republican Party; how much influence they will have will depend on their ability to hold the members.
How moderate Brown will be if he becomes a candidate for the nomination is questionable; if he is serious about running, he will change to attract a maximum of supporters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 03:17 PM

Loss of seats in the first midterm of a president's first term is 100% guaranteed.

Look for the Tea "Party" to push every moderate Republican -- especially Scott Brown -- to the sidelines of, or all the way out of -- the Republican party. I don't look for them to put up their own candidate for 2012, but throw their lot in with -- and most likely coopt -- the GOP.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 01:42 PM

The Tea Party is the harbinger of things to come. The independents are fickle, as pointed out above; they also look for simple solutions. They are worried about their pocketbooks, and Obama has done nothing to re-assure them. Add the 'rightists" as Ron calls them and the makings of a majority are there.
Loss of more seats in the coming Congressional election is a given, and unless Obama can perform a miracle or two, the Republicans could regain the White House in 2012.

Ron, my "mediate" was an unfortunate word; compromise is needed but setting up the 60 against the rest meant that the lines were drawn and reason would not prevail.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 11:49 AM

Good post Ron.....Unfortunately these "fringe" issues are what definite modern "liberal" democrats


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 11:15 AM

The problem, as I've indicated in earlier threads, is that primaries reward passion. The top two issues in Republican primaries these days are 1) abortion and 2) gun rights.   There's no question who of the current Republican field has the anti-abortion issue locked up tight. The only one who has "walked the walk":   Sarah.   Similarly, who's the poster girl of the NRA: Cheney?

Mudcatters had best start taking Sarah seriously.

And don't blithely assume that if she gets the Republican nomination it will be a cakewalk for President Obama or any other Democrat. If the economy and war situations don't improve drastically--especially the economy--President Obama (or any other Democrat) will have big problems.

One of the ironies of this is that the one thing some Mudcatters and others on the Left could do to weaken Sarah is the thing they are least likely to do:   stop trashing religion, and stop pushing for politically poisonous ideas like homosexual marriage.   Both of these bring out the rightist crazies in greater numbers than anything else.   As Mudcatters could have seen in 2004.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:21 PM

Of course, she didn't actually say the words: "A run for President in 2012 is possible..." What she said is that it "would be absurd" for her to say at this point that she won't run for President in 2012.

And of course, again, she is right. A stopped clock, etc, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:17 PM

"Run in 2012".    I have indicated this many times before.   And it could work for her--as I also pointed out.    The primaries are set up to reward passion--and that means Palin.   And the economy and war situations--especially the economy-- have to improve drastically--or President Obama has serious problems--from any Republican. Including Sarah.

Mudcatters' scorn for her has remarkably little significance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:11 PM

"...you are, to say the least, naive."


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Beer
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:11 PM

I hate to shit on the party but this just came to me. Palin in 2012? She Says Run Is Possible.
New York Times
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:09 PM

1) If you mean "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" was written by Neil Sedaka--that's dead wrong--and there are long threads on Mudcat about that topic.

2) Hillary "knows how to mediate". Sorry, that's completely meaningless.   So does President Obama.   The parties have to want to compromise.   If you think these factions do, you are to say the least, naive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 08:59 PM

Cartoons I made just in case, that were never used...

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/obamapoker.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/don/palin_art2.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/moose3.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/PalinPilot.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 08:10 PM

In the jungle the mighty jungle the liar sleeps tonight.

The original song was written by Neil Sedaka.


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