BS: Palin sips tea tonight

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 04:26 PM

You may be right Carol, but I feel the numbers and his personna are against him serving a second term

IF we ever want to lose our chains now is the time to strike. I have never seen Capitalism in such disarray.

In today's newspapers, there is talk of the UK govt raising purchase tax on almost everything we buy to help fund the debt incurred by the bank bailout.
If we allow them to get away with this blatant robbery, then it is already too late, our spirit has been crushed, our future, slavery.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 04:07 PM

Andrew Sullivan is hardly a right wing commentator. He used to be somewhat "right wing", but he's gone over to the other side in recent years. One can't determine what the right wing people are thinking by reading anything he says.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 04:04 PM

My last was a response to this one: 15 Feb 10 - 03:59 PM.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 04:04 PM

Our current president is Barack Obama. The president elected in the next election could also be Barack Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 04:03 PM

Yes, I agree, Obama might get re-elected. While Sarah Palin is sipping tea, and number of folks are drinking Kool-Aid.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 03:59 PM

This piece by a "right wing" commentator in the Sunday Times, conveys the sense of fear and loathing in which many conservatives hold Sarah Palin

From The Sunday Times February 14, 2010

Fear Palin, a warrior messiah on a mission
Sarah Palin's speech last weekend revealed a woman driven by a sense of divine destiny
(Ed Reinke)
Sarah Palin

Andrew Sullivan


So does tomorrow truly belong to her? I refer, of course, to the former governor of Alaska, who quit when she was barely past the middle of her first term because, as she explained, she was not a quitter. I refer to the first vice-presidential nominee in modern times to run for office without holding a single press conference.

I refer to a person who had no idea why there was a South Korea and a North Korea; who had trouble understanding that Africa is a continent, not a country; who believes that the first amendment guarantees the right of politicians not to be criticised too harshly; who thinks climate change is "snake-oil science"; who thinks gays can — and should be — cured; and who last weekend electrified a small gathering of Tea party supporters in Nashville, Tennessee, with a speech deemed so important that it was broadcast live on a Saturday night on every cable news station.

The answer, I am sorry to report, is: possibly. I watched Sarah Palin's speech live and, if you leave any consideration of substance out of it, it was the most talented and effective performance of any Republican politician since Ronald Reagan. She has astonishing levels of charisma and a profound connection to her constituency: white, rural, evangelical, fundamentalist voters now roiled into ever greater levels of populist ire, with a president called Barack Hussein Obama who does nuance pretty well. She is also prepared to go where other, more — shall we say — responsible conservatives usually don't.

Two lines stood out for me. The first was a sign that she believes and her followers believe that she has some kind of divine destiny. She has repeatedly written and said that everything is in God's hands and that her future is simply to obey his will. In her question-and-answer session she explicitly called for "divine intervention" to save America from its current president, while openly declaring that she could well run for president in 2012.

Last week she cast herself in the mould of the biblical figure of Queen Esther, a story deeply embraced by the religious right. There was also her Eva Peron moment on Saturday in Nashville: "I will live, I will die for the people of America."

This is not the rhetoric of a politician. You cannot imagine even a late-stage Margaret Thatcher saying such a thing without being laughed off the stage. It has the apocalyptic tones of the leader of a movement.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 02:00 PM

I don't think we can say right now that our next president won't be our current president. And if he is, that gives us a few more years to come up with some viable candidates. That's a very long time in political term in the US. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Palin and Clinton would be the only female candidates who would have a chance of success that far down the road. And from the behavior of her poll numbers, it looks like Palin will not have a chance of success (in terms of winning the presidency) at any point in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 01:40 PM

Yes, I understand what you're saying Carol, but unfortunately, in America it appears that without "money" and lots of it, electoral success is almost impossible.
It would obviously take a huge "popoular" movement to get somebody elected on "principle".....maybe you're right and the country is just no ready for a revolution.

One thing is certain the people on here who shoot down everyone who doesn't wear the proper lapel badge(I know you are not such a person) especially if they happen to be a powerful woman are helping no one.

I'm sure your next president will be female, I just hope it's not Hillary, she's so steeped in the old politics of division.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 01:18 PM

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you've said in your 15 Feb 10 - 12:53 PM post, akeneton. I'm just saying that it's not so much of a foregone conclusion that Palin could be the person that would do that. For two reasons... she is entirely wedded to her "brand" and her drive to increase her income, and because of this, the people who really are as you describe the American electorate can see right through her. The teabag movement has determined that she is willing to sell out what she says she stands for in order to line her pockets and suck up to the king makers. They've rolled her under the bus because of her endorsement of John McCain instead of the candidate they preferred in Arizona, and because of her $100,000 speaker fee at the recent teabagger convention. She's on their shit list now.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 01:04 PM

I think the Republicans will probably "smother" Sarah.....they cant take the chance and let her live, she's too much of a wild card..

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 12:53 PM

Hi Carol...You and I have discussed this on another thread and I know you disagree, but I hope you understand what I'm getting at.

The left are never going to change conservative America by trying to push what is to many people a mad "socialist" agenda, the country is simply too polarised for that to happen.

Furthermore, many "right wing" ideals are worth keeping in any new world. The idea of personal freedom AND personal responsibility should not be thrown overboard; and "socialist" policies presented by a government like the one we have in the UK can be all too easily abused when the people lose respect for those who administer them.

Change, will be a long slow process, both in the US and the UK, but it is completely unachievable by a leader and administration who are wedded to the present social/economic system

I have always felt the the ordinary people of America have it in them to produce a new way of life...they lack the bitter cynicism of the Brits, have retained for the most part, a faith in their God and their country, and a wonderful optimism that they can make anything happen if they just put enough effort into it.

God knows why they have retained these things, given the way they have been treated by successive corporate owned governments, but they have, and these ideals are the base for a new better, more free and just society.

For any of this to happen we must forget all the things which have been set up to divide us and stop electing representatives who are joined at the hip to a system, which over the last year, has been shown to be the ultimate scam....Ake

These things are a basis

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 12:01 PM

I don't argue with trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 12:01 PM

Piss off, Davies.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 11:59 AM

"teabaggers are throwing her under the bus..."   Direct quotes, please, with source. And one disgruntled "teabagger" can't be extrapolated into a rejection of Sarah--unless there are complaints that many would likely identify with.

If complaints about reading notes for a speech on her hand are the main reason Mudcatters think she is not formidable, they need to think again.

Look, it's possible that she could self-destruct--but it's the Democrats who seem now to be busily engaged in that task--by their unwillingness to compromise, primarily with each other.

At this point she is the perfect spokesman for the angry, frustrated non-liberal masses--including large numbers of "tea-baggers."   The Republicans realize this.   Since her views dovetail so well with those of the Republican true believers who tend to vote in primaries, the primaries are hers to lose. And, believe it or not, this is no cause for celebration by liberals.

In the general election people tend to vote their pocketbooks, unless there is a hot war going on. At this point neither issue favors President Obama--unfortunately. Obviously it's early--that's the only factor now in his favor.    But the midterms seem also unlikely to help him--to say the least.

Many Mudcatters seem to be world champions at denial, but denial has won remarkably few elections.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 11:37 AM

Nothing like wanting it both ways:

"...realise the power she holds and how uncontrollable that power is."


"...will be amenable to change if the people demand it."

May I suggest that you have not a clue as to what motivates the fair lady?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 10:56 AM

Her power is not as great as you think akeneton. Even the teabaggers are now throwing her under the bus, and they were her base until recently.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 07:13 AM

"Although in my defense I have this over Palin: I knew there were things called "books" before I wrote one."

                So, how many did you write?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 06:29 AM

You won't get another chance!
Next in line will be Hillary.....Then you'll be really fucked!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 06:25 AM

Why dont you listen to Don....A guy I rarely agree with, but on this occasion he is dead right.

The "Right" are scared shitless by Mrs Palin, they realise the power she holds and how uncontrollable that power is.
If the left had even half as much insight they would realise Sarah could be their greatest asset.

As Don says compromise is the key, to get what you want in politics you have to be as devious as the politicians.

The UK press are already dubbing Sarah ...."Eva Palin", so ask yourself what future do you want? Do you want to be dragged by the nose back into the failed system, screwing a few crumbs from those who run it, while bankrolling it with your tax dollars? as Mr Obama would have you do, or are you prepared to elect a non politician, who will lead from the heart.
It will mean abandoning some of the "poisonous policies" mentioned earlier, but Palin will lead in the name of the people,because, first and foremost she is a populist and will be amenable to change if the people demand it.

"I will live and die for the American people"...."Eva Palin"

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 12:01 AM

Although in my defense I have this over Palin: I knew there were things called "books" before I wrote one.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 11:30 PM

There's always one student who writes down the wrong author in his notebook. This is only a problem if he tries to show off his knowledge later. Poor, confused fool.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Lighter
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 11:07 PM

You mean it wasn't Swift who was advocating that?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 09:04 PM

There are always a few pupils in every class who think Voltaire was advocating eating babies.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 07:38 PM

You have missed his whole thesis.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 07:36 PM

"... candidacy would force upon this country a desperately needed moment of truth. It would require us to finally decide what kind of America we want to be."

What a stupid point.

Of course stupidity is always in the offing...
We have chosen Harding, Fillmore, Grant, Hayes,Nixon Reagan Bush and Bush Bush,

you really think we need to choose Palin just to be sure if devout hypocritical stupidity represents America best> roll eyes.

I have a better idea!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets have a CHRISTIAN children's crusade in the Middle East!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 12:40 PM

Leonard Pitt, Jr, with some great points:

"I hear you're pondering a run for the White House in 2012. Last week, you told Fox news it would be "absurd" to rule it out. I'm writing to ask that you rule it in. I very badly want you to run for - and "win" - the Republican nomination for the presidency.

"I know you're waiting for the punch line. Maybe you figure I think you'd be a weak candidate who would pave the way for President Obama's easy re-election.

"That's not it. No, I want you to run because I believe a Palin candidacy would force upon this country a desperately needed moment of truth. It would require us to finally decide what kind of America we want to be.

"Mrs. Palin, you are an avatar of the shameless hypocrisy and cognitive disconnection that have driven our politics for the last decade, a process of stupidification (love that word! Eb) creeping like kudzu over our national life."

Run, Sarah, Run

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 12:08 PM

I've been listening to some pundits online lately. One man said he believes that at this point she is learning and retaining only enough information to deliver a zinger but that she has no material for a follow up question.

And that man isn't even necessarily anti-Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Lighter
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 12:00 PM

When I heard that Gov. Palin had written notes on her hand, I thought maybe there was a reason. Maybe she'd thought of a great one-liner that required letter-perfect delivery. A zinger so potent that it would plunge the White House into confusion and leave the rest of us chuckling in appreciation, eager to vote Republican ASAP.

But what she'd written was:

"Energy, Budget Cuts, Tax, Lift Americans' Spirits."

That's what she couldn't retain without notes. And for some reason she didn't want us to see her using note cards, like grownup speakers do.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 11:50 AM

As I said, Mudcatters have to stop underestimating her.

All she has to do is continue to articulate the frustration and bitterness felt by lots of Americans:   "How's that hopey-changey thing working out for you?"--and she is doing this perfectly--and she will be sitting pretty in 2011.

Especially since it looks like child's play to depict this Congress as a "do-nothing Congress". The public will not look at Republican obstructionism as the main source of the problem, much as Mudcatters devoutly wish they would.

It will be very simple:   "You have a Democratic House, Democratic Senate, and Democratic President.    Yet you still can't get anything done. Re-elect Democrats?    What possible indication do we have that that will improve anything?"

And the overwhelming cause of this is Democrats' unwillingness to compromise-- primarily with each other, but also with the few Republicans willing to brave their own party--like Olympia Snowe.   But compromise is what you have to do when you have a "big tent" situation.

And after the Democratic debacle which looks more and more likely this fall, there will be, if anything, more gridlock.    Then in 2012 President Obama has to run on this record.

It looks progressively more likely that the only thing that can change this is a huge economic surge--soon. Especially since Democrats still show no signs of willingness to compromise.

I suppose it goes back to Will Rogers:    "I'm not a member of an organized party...."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:38 PM

"She could just make everything up (with the help of her ghost writer) like she did with the first book."

            Yeah well, that's pretty much the way American politicians do it these days; then they sell it on the market as nonfiction.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 03:34 PM

Well, Donuel, I did NOT find this: "A day before Palin was announced Karl Rove spoke of the Republican party introducing a soft Republican woman into the area of Presidential politics." However, I did find another example of her brilliant discourse:

"(Wolf) BLITZER: Another question. What are your new ideas on how to take the Republican Party out of this rut that it's in right now? Give me one or two new ideas that you're going to propose to these governors who have gathered here in this hotel."

    "PALIN: Well, a lot of Republican governors have really good ideas for our nation because we're the ones there on the front lines being held accountable every single day in service to the people whom have hired us in our own states and the planks in our platform are strong and they are good for America. It's all about free enterprise and respecting the ..."

    "BLITZER: Does that mean you want to come up with a new Sarah Palin initiative that you want to release right now."

    "PALIN: Gah! Nothing specific right now. Sitting here in these chairs that I'm going to be proposing but in working with these governors who again on the front lines are forced to and it's our privileged obligation to find solutions to the challenges facing our own states every day being held accountable, not being just one of many just casting votes or voting present every once in a while, we don't get away with that. We have to balance budgets and we're dealing with multibillion dollar budgets and tens of thousands of employees in our organizations."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 02:30 PM

She could just make everything up (with the help of her ghost writer) like she did with the first book.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 02:24 PM

What would it be about? She's nearly overtopped her ability to remember things with this one.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 02:05 PM

Time for another book tour, I suppose. She can crank them out one after another. None of these people write their own books anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:42 PM

Any interest group can groom a candidate. That does not mean there is a national conspiracy to do so. There is an interest group conspiracy to do so.

Thing is, Palin appeals to many military families as much as fringe religious groups, and that makes her base stronger, not just church groups. She found she can not rely on oil money outside campaigning so she has gone rogue with a hired book and speechifyin at tea parties.

Her polls have dropped 10 points since her book tour however.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:39 PM

The one hopeful thing about Sarah, though, is that the more people have a chance to see her and get to know her, the lower her poll numbers go.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:33 PM

Ebbie, go to the videotape of Rove live on FOX cable news the day before her appearence with McCain.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 10:53 AM

It depends on what some Mudcatters-- and others who feel similarly-- are doing offline. For instance, the push for taking 10 Commandments plaques out of courthouses--and calling those who wanted to keep them religious bigots comes close to trashing religion.

And this is exactly how it was pictured by fundamentalists to their followings.

It's entirely too easy for quite a few Leftists to picture any opposition to their views--on quite a few issues--as religious bigotry.

We have even had a Mudcatter who claimed that Hitler had no choice but to be a mass murderer--after all, he was raised Catholic.

This is what I mean by "trashing religion."

And it helps Sarah--immensely--in her efforts to portray any opposition to her as opposition to religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Neil D
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 01:42 AM

Trashing religion is really a non-issue because no one is doing it. No one in politics, not even the most liberal members of congress, nor anyone in the mainstream media, not even the most left-wing pundits on MSNBC is trashing religion. Sure, here in this little folk lovin' universe you find your fair share of agnostics, atheists, heathens, etc. Some of them might even be considered stridently so. But in the country at large it's not even in play unless you are calling the defense of free thought and reason from attacks by reactionary fundamentalism an attack on religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:55 PM

Wake up, and, if you are an American voter, tell your Representative to pass the Senate health bill as is, so Congress can get on to other things: specifically doing more to try to combat the recession--and not be seen as wasting huge amounts of time and effort with nothing to show for it.

Wake up and in general be more willing to compromise--don't see every concession to the other side (even Democratic opponents) as treason against "what we stand for".

As I said earlier, stop trashing religion--it seems likely that attitude is also visible outside Mudcat---and stop pushing for politically poisonous ideas like homosexual marriage. Both of those bring out even more supporters of the current Rightist demogogue--you'd play right into Sarah's hands.   You would think the Left would have learned from 2004--when this is exactly what happened.

In a contest between intolerant atheists and the "Religious Right", numbers count. So in the US the atheists have no chance. All they do is inflame the other side.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:40 PM

Wake up and do what?

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:29 PM

Right, Neil.   The way the primary system is now set up, she's in the catbird seat for that.

Then the question really becomes if the economy has substantially recovered by 2011-2012. And statistics won't be the determining factor.   Crucial issue will be if people in general feel better about their own economic positions---not what figures get quoted at them.

If they don't feel good, then Sarah, the master of articulating anger and resentment, stands an alarmingly good chance of being the first female US president. Particularly since (non-liberal) women may feel it is in fact time for that step.   It will be very interesting to see how many who say they supported Hillary will now line up behind Sarah.

It's a bit discouraging how many Mudcatters seem to rely on wishful thinking--and seem to specialize in underestimating their opponents.

Wishful thinking has won amazingly few elections.

It's time for some Mudcatters to wake up.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 09:24 PM

Alaska's legislature is in session right now. They have already passed two bills that hark directly to Palin: 1) A governor's duty station in Alaska is in Juneau, the capital city, and 2) A governor shall not be paid per diem for staying in their own home.

At this point, just about everybody in Alaska likes Governor Sean Parnell. Reason? He is not Sarah Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:08 AM

You're right Ron. Her singular lack of intelligence, her belief in an extreme form of Christian fundamentalism, her appeal to Americans' worst angels are all reasons we SHOULD take her seriously. I still think she is the kind of politician who can win primaries by bringing out the base and then lose the general election by scaring the hell out of independents, but that's not a certainty by any means. We don't need to look too far back in our history (2004) to see an example of Americans electing a moronic right-wing idealogue to our highest office.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 08:48 AM

Sarah has been down the frivolous law suit road before. She's discovered that when you are not personally wealthy your political enemies will file all kinds of meaningless law suits to bankrupt you and keep you off the public stage. The Kennedys and the Rockerfellers don't have this problem, so nobody ever sues them, not even when they drive they cars into rivers and allow passengers to drown. The House ethics committee won't even investigate Jane Harman because they think she has enough money to fend off the investigators.

         Knowing all of that, the deep thinking American public will not take Sarah seriously until--or unless--she amasses a vast personal fortune first.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 08:36 AM

Still waiting for anybody to say why we should not take Sarah seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 07:55 PM

Hmmmmmmm, Carol, ya' think that Christain Right would be dumb (like a fox) enough to get this woman elected... She does seem to have no real core principles other than pablum sound bites... But then again, pablum sounds bites is what the Christain Right is all about... Other than goobs of money and power...

Yeah, it would be genious on their part but me thinks that Ms. Sarah ain't all that controlable so I'd warn the CR to be carefull what they ask for...

As for tea??? How about a nudie shoot in Playboy with Ms. Sarah dressed in nothin' but a tea cup??? I kinda like it... Might even buy a copy... Nah... Ain't bought one since Martin Luther King was interviewed so unless they were doin' one heck of an interview that month, I'd prolly just borrow my brother's copy... Jus funnin'... I ain't the Playboy type...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:23 PM

Donuel, please document Karl Rove referring to a woman candidate - soft or otherwise - the day before McCain introduced Palin. Please.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:20 PM

The radical Christian right has been cultivating Sara Palin for years, Donuel. She is one of the people the dominionist movement is hoping will help the accomplish their goal of taking over the government.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 07:48 PM

Palin was an intentional "accident" invented by Karl Rove as an attempt to equal or best the Democratic ticket which had a woman running for President. Bobby Jindle was also a Republican response to the Democrats having a dark skinned candidate.

A day before Palin was announced Karl Rove spoke of the Republican party introducing a soft Republican woman into the area of Presidential politics. You see they always portrayed Hillary as shrill and hard edged so they would have a soft curvacious alternative to Hillary in Sarah.

As we see now, not much thought or vetting went into their desperate decision to throw McCain the female vote.