Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: GUEST,Anne K.
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 03:55 PM

Would you believe I just found a performance of the tune on iTunes? The artist is Georg Gabler and it appears on the album "Congratulations on Your New Arrival" (for music box, flute and, I think, a concertina) in the Children's Music genre, of course.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: GUEST,Anne K.
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 02:01 AM

My thanks to Truman Price for his kind assistance in locating the song in the version my sister remembers. It is in the 1971 edition of Making Music Your Own edited by Beatrice Landeck, under the title "En Madrid (In Madrid)" but apparently in book 3 rather than 4, and on page 84. I'm very grateful for his help and for everyone who has already posted to this thread. I'll keep checking back here to see how things progress.
For my sister's purposes, even the addition of one more verse in English is helpful. She's a bit of a linguist, so I know she'll enjoy having the Spanish as well. My Spanish is not so good, but I think I get the gist of it. Thanks, Artful Codger, for posting this other version. It looks like the tune could be quite different, too, given the different structure of the verse.
I am supposing the English text from Making Music Your Own is still under copyright or I would post it here. The English I submitted for verse one is slightly different from what's printed. I guess that's the oral tradition at work.
Thanks again, everyone, for all your help.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 08:57 PM

Seems to be an old song about a young girl, a golden dagger, and revenge in some versions. There seem to be several versions, some concentrating on the child.
Artful codger has given one for children, which seems to be what is wanted here.
I haven't found a translation other than google garble.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 08:22 PM

Artful codger- source of your version? A good song

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: Artful Codger
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 06:45 PM

Found this version:

En Madrid, hay un palacio,
ay, ay,
boro, boro, va,
que le llaman Orobel,
boro, boro, va,
que bomba, va,
que le llaman Orobel;
y en el palacio una niña,
que la llaman Isabel.
No la quieren, dar sus padres,
ni por conde, ni marqués,
ni por dinero, que valga,
la coronita del Rey.
Un día, estando jugando,
al juego del alfiler,
la ha ganado, un guapo mozo,
guapo mozo aragonés.
A eso de la media noche,
llora, la pobre Isabel,
—¿Por qué lloras, hija mía?
¿Por qué lloras, Isabel?
Si lloras, por padre, y madre,
no los volverás, a ver,
si lloras, por tus hermanos,
prisioneros, han de ser.
—No lloro, por nada de eso,
ni por cosa de interés,
lloro por un puñal de oro
—Pues dime, para qué es.
—Para cortar esta pera,
que vengo muerta de sed,
si la cortaré al derecho,
si la cortaré al revés.
Las cortinas de mi alcoba,
son de terciopelo azul,
entre cortina y cortina,
se pasea, un andaluz.
Las cortinas, de mi alcoba,
son de terciopelo verde,
entre cortina y cortina,
un millón, diera por verte.

It also appear that in some versions, Orobel has become a hotel.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 01:28 PM

'oropel' means brass foil, or tinsel.
I can't find any notable building in Madrid with that name or nickname; it seems to be fictional.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: GUEST,truprice
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 01:19 PM

En Madrid hay un palacio
Que le llaman de oropel
En el vive una senora
Que la llaman Isabel.

No la quieren dar sus padres
Ni por conde ni marques,
Ni por dinero que valga
La corona de Isabel.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: GUEST,Anne K.
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 01:03 AM

I'll pose the question. Thanks for the address.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 09:12 PM

Anne K., email Truman Price and ask him to please ckeck his editions.
[e-mail]

My 4, 5, and 6 resp. are 1968, 1968 and 1965, but ONLY 4 has Beatrice Landeck as senior editor.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: GUEST,Anne K.
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 08:57 PM

Q- was that 4, 5 and 6 of the 1971 edition? How much variation do you find in the contents of the Silver Burdett books? I've seen citations for 1964, 1965 and 1968 editions at Worldcat and I guess if it's not really in the 1971 edition as indicated by the (invisible) U Michigan digital edition, it could be in one of the earlier ones? So frustrating, not being able to see the index even of that book online. I guess this is a job for InterLibrary Loan.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 08:30 PM

Truman Price, Monmouth, Oregon. Specialist in these songbooks. He has #3 ed. by Landeck. Phone him about content.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 08:24 PM

I have only 4, 5 and 6 of "Making Music Your Own;" Not in them.
Lead editor for 4 is Landeck, for 5 and 6 it is Youngberg.
Could be in 1, 2 or 3 which are ed. Landeck. Joe, no 7-8.

However-- Complications
There are some others, e. g., one for grades 3-6, by B. Landeck.
Some later Silver-Burdett songbooks are issued with Ginn &Co. added- is there a change in content?

Many booksellers fail to give the grade level in their offerings; selling prices are too low for them to pay proper attention.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: GUEST,Anne K.
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 07:35 PM

Oh, I won't give up.
I love to dig, too, but mostly so far I've been digging for Christmas Carols. But a new baby in the house brings back a desire for songs that woke the imagination during childhood.
1971 sounds about the right time frame for the edition. Our elementary school was built new in 1969. We used the whole series of what ever edition it was (I remember them sitting uniformly on the shelf with their color-coded binding) in a school designed for K-6. My sister was in the first classes ever held there and I followed about 3 years later using the same materials and singing the same songs.
I'll definitely look into the 1971 edition of Making Music Your Own. If I can get it through interlibrary loan or inexpensively second-hand, it may be useful to have even just to start a collection of music resources for children's songs.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 07:30 PM

Keep watching this thread, Anne. There's a good chance we'll find it. Now, if you find it first, please post the lyrics.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: GUEST,Anne K.
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 07:20 PM

Wonderful! Now I can direct my search toward the right volume! I'm sure I'll be able to locate it in a library or at a used book site!
Thanks so much for your help.
I use image search on Google all the time, but haven't gotten into using book search so much yet. I'll know in future to add that to my search routine.
Mudcat Cafe is such a great site. I've found the answers to so many music questions in the past, but this is my first time posting a request.
My sister and I have many fond memories of the music program at our grade school and the books we used with their illustrations and variety of folk tunes were a large part of that. It will be nice to get re-acquainted with them.
Thanks again, Mr. Dixon, for your help.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 07:13 PM

I checked on page 69 of three different volumes of Making Music Your Own, but no cigar. I think there are eight grade levels of Making Music Your Own. Maybe Q will have it.
We have a fairly complete index of Silver Burdett School Songbooks. The song didn't turn up under "madrid" or "Isabel" or "palace," so I'm wondering if there is a different title and "In Madrid There Stands A Palace" is the first line. I see the index covers only two volumes of Making Music Your Own.

We're big on school songbooks, though. Don't give up on us.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 06:41 PM

Google Book Search found the phrase "In Madrid there stands a palace" in "Making Music Your Own" by Beatrice Landeck et al., Silver Burdett Co, 1971, page 69.

However, since the book is still under copyright, Google doesn't provide page images, or even the table of contents!

To find the book in a library, see WorldCat.

Subject: Lyr Req: In Madrid There Stands A Palace
From: GUEST,Anne K.
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 03:47 PM

My sister and I are trying to find the words for a song she remembers from grade school. I've searched here at Mudcat Cafe and on the web but come up empty. I believe it may be from the Silver Burdett World of Music series but we only remember the first verse and not the title of the song.
The verse goes something like this:

In Madrid there stands a palace
Made of tinsel so they tell
And inside it dwells a lady
By the name of Isabell.

I came to the conclusion that it may be from World of Music because we both remember fondly "Don Gato" which I understand was popularized by the same series. I've looked on the thread about the World of Music Series and checked the indices provided there, but since I don't know the title of the song, it wasn't of much use. Of course, I may be totally off base and our school system may have used a different set of books. Other songs I remember from our old grade school music text books include "The Skye Boat Song", "I've Got Sixpence", and "Charlie Is My Darlin'." (Yes, our teacher was Scottish by heritage.)

My sister likes to sing this song about the palace made of tinsel to her new daughter and more verses would be nice to have. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!