BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 12:52 PM

True, BillD.


Sonnet 03/11/07                         MLXV

To absent friends and lost loves let us drink,
Recalling smiles and times that all once shared.
On those no longer near let us now think,
To bring back reasons that for them we cared.
Some are not here, yet still remain, within
The songs and words they left behind. And some
Are in our souls, when hopes or dreams begin:
A part of what each of us have become.
To those apart let us now raise a glass
And take a moment to give thanks for all
That we from others have ourselves received.
The world's a school, and our lives just a class
I playing well with others. Can we call
It more? Are we by our egos deceived?

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Mooh
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 08:52 PM

Bill...Yeah.

As for the other Bruce (Power, named for the county of my birth, my middle name, my distant relative Robert the...), I wouldn't half mind if it became its own province or territory as Ontario doesn't do much for it...nor does Canada come to think of it...oh never mind.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 08:06 PM

damn, I miss Bruce O,(lson)

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 06:00 PM

I agree with Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 05:51 PM

Bruce is NOT for sale.

















but he can be rented.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 02:04 PM

One can buy TransCanada shares; the companies and retirement funds listed own Bruce Power.
Cant find Bruce, Bearded or otherwise, listed on the Toronto exchange.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:15 PM

The Power of Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 11:33 AM

Oh ma gawd, BB and Peace have done gone an formed a Co-eelishun! We-uns is plumb screwed now!

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Peace
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 11:51 PM

LOL

BB, you are one ornery guy. Great to see you posting more. I have missed you. No one to fight with.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 08:09 AM

"Bruce Power"

Sounds good. Can I get some stock???

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 07:56 PM

BPC Generation Infrastructure Trust, I find, is another large retirement fund, run by Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement Board ($34 billion in assets in 2002).
Bruce Power was owned by British Energy, but spun off in a re-structuring to the entities named in the first post.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 07:30 PM

Now, it's just a personal opinion and the views of a crotchty old curmudgeon, but -- why not use various sources for power? Where it is suitable for wind, use wind. For solar, use solar. And when there is no other choice, use nuclear.

I realize that this goes against the "magic bullet" and "one size fits all" philosophies that seem to dominate politics, but hey! That seems to be Just The Way Nature Works.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: gnu
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 06:49 PM

Well, if we build it, will they come?

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: topical tom
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 03:46 PM

With the wind power and sun in Alberta, why nuclear? Corporate profit? Nah, couldn't be! Not in this socialist country. eh GW?

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: meself
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 02:37 PM

The names "Bruce" and "Peace" seem to keep coming up in this thread ... coincidence?

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: pdq
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 11:04 AM

Nuclear power is rubbish.

No reactors in Iran. No reactors in North Korea. No reactors in Alberta.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 11:02 AM

Does anyone know what the BPG Generation Infrastructure Trust is, and who controls it?
Listed as one of the owners of Bruce Power.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 09:01 AM

An atomic power plant in the Peace country may or may not have something to do with Cheney's visit. But it sure as hell has something to do with the Athabasca Tar Sands. It's going to take a lot of electricity to cook the oil out of that glop, and the Americans are going to insist on our cooking it and shipping it.
In the lecture referred to here, Maude Barlow recalls a Far Side cartoon in which dogs on a life-raft vote to eat all the rations right away--that's just how capitalist/consumerist society is treating the Earth's dwindling resources, she says. No more oil with which to destroy the balance of nature? Then we'll make some, the dirtiest way we know how.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Mooh
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 09:55 AM

No small amount of energy is sold to the US, whether it's nuclear generated or not. Maybe our bootlicking PM wants to sell more, and maybe the customer wants less risk. Who really knows? But, I for one don't trust any of them. I drive past Douglas Point (Bruce Power) regularly, have friends who work there, nobody speaks ill of the place, and it's not the plant that I fear. What I fear are the political overlords who fuck things up by nature.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 09:35 AM

"Bruce Power announced that it had plans for large scale nuclear power generation plants at Peace River, Alberta. I am probably wrong, but I wonder if there is any connection between Cheney's visit and power generation in Canada."

Funny you should ask..... Little Fascist Johnny went over to see Big George, and when he came back - hey! suddenly he was talking about nuclear power as the saviour of mankind from Global Warming....

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: bobad
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 06:39 PM

You mean this guy Rap?

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 06:32 PM

There's the Mounties....

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 06:13 PM

It would involve the construction and operation of four reactors, Q. The thing that worries me is the fact that privately-owned (and state-owned) nuclear facilities are never well maintained. Let me revise that. At present, about half of the world's 400 or so nuclear reactors are presently in need of major repair and overhaul. They are dangerous. My one disagreement with a nuclear facility in Alberta is that of watch-dog responsibility. Who will own the watch-dogs.

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 06:11 PM

Lawyers, not peasants...

Subject: RE: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 06:08 PM

Pheasant hunting?

Subject: BS: Nuclear Power in Alberta
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 06:06 PM

Peace asked in another thread about the visit to Canada by Cheney, during which he talked with the prime minister and the premier of Alberta, and visited the Oil Sands projects in northern Alberta.

This morning, Bruce Power announced that it had plans for large scale nuclear power generation plants at Peace River, Alberta. I am probably wrong, but I wonder if there is any connection between Cheney's visit and power generation in Canada.

Bruce Power is based in Ontario, and its nuclear facilities provide 20-25% of the power used in the Province. The Company is owned jointly by Cameco Corporation, TransCanada Corporation, BPG Generation Infrastructure Trust, Power Workers Union and Society of Energy Professionals (the last two are large savings and pension-based investors, Ontario membership).
Cameco is the world's largest publicly traded uranium producer and also has large gold mining interests. It is Canadian-owned.

TransCanada Corp., traded on the NY Stock Exchange (currently about $40/share), owns 36,500 miles of pipeline taping into all major North American basins, and also is a large power generator. Its income from oil sands production is increasing rapidly.

I could not find information on BPG ..... on Google.

As I said at the top, there may be no direct connection, but along with Peace, I wonder what was discussed.