BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 06:42 PM

A lot of the personal bickering and political manipulation through hostile strategies
is an attempt to hide the real issues and answers to them. Weapons of mass distraction.

Feingold would be advised to tell both sides to cool it. I think he is rightly afraid of
the Democratic Party devouring itself and McCain would walk into the presidency.

Obama's stated position is that Hillary should remain in the race if she wants to.

Stringsinger

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Peace
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 08:44 PM

Well, I've lost track of this thread and have come to wish you all a very nice evening filled with a plethora of good memories awaiting a thought to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 08:42 PM

She wants to identify with a shallow, passŽ movie actor who went on to engage in violence in unnecessary wars?

Who's doing her campaign planning?


Sheesh.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 08:40 PM

You are correct sir. I'd forgotten the details. I remember that there was a controversy and Rocky got "evicted".

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: M.Ted
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 08:27 PM

Rocky's statue was never at the City Hall, Jack--in the film, it was at the top of the Art Museum steps--it is now on the Eakins Oval, in front of those steps--

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 08:05 PM

>>Hillary is now being compared to "Rocky." That ought to play well in Philidelphia.<<


It is certainly apt. "Rocky" was less articulate than his opponent, he had a loudmouth manager and he ultimately lost in the first movie.

Also Philidelphia got over "Rocky" a long time ago. They removed his statue from city hall.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 07:38 PM

Hillary is now being compared to "Rocky." That ought to play well in Philidelphia.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 06:18 PM

Peace, ya beat me to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Peace
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 06:01 PM

It IS April 1st.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 05:59 PM

We've also been hearing rumors that Obama has quietly contacted Ventura about the 2nd spot, in an attempt to reach those hard to get independent voters. Obama apparently stole away from his VI vacation last week to pay a private visit to The Body, now residing in Baja, MX during the winter.

So you may be able to vote for him sooner than you think!

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 05:40 PM

>>Unless McCain picks Romney as a running mate.<<

What will Romney be whispering in his ear like Lieberman?

The Presidential candidate has to talk for himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 04:47 PM

He's got my vote!

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 04:30 PM

Gigi-

But I thought I'd heard that Jesse Ventura was going to make an independent run for the Presidency. Wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air? Well, maybe "air" is not quite the right term...

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 04:11 PM

Unless McCain picks Romney as a running mate.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 03:21 PM

"pwned"

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 02:58 PM

Obama will completely out run McCain on economics, domestic programs, health care, and so on. McCain will try to pwn him on foreign policy; but I don't think he is up for being pwnd.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 02:20 PM

Yeah, Jack... I read an aericle in the Post a few minutes ago where Bill Clinton rightfully advised Dems to "Chill out", in essence because he fells strongly that when the nomination process is over that the Dems will be in a stronger position to win the pres. elction then will be McCain...

Yeah, Obama is going to have a field day arranging new ways to hammer a McCain victory in Novemeber as "a third Bush term"... And, for the life of me, I can't see what the Repubs can do to counter this one... It's kinda like a boxer who has his jab working...

This doesn't mean that McCain won't fire some shots but he will be vulnerable to this jab right up to election day...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 01:10 PM

>>>If he was so great then, why is he so bad now?<<<

He got into bed with George W. Bush, campaigning for the man he used to criticize and he completely flip flopped on most of his most popular positions to gain the support of RNC leaders for this election. The straight talk express got very crooked.

You know the Democratic party people keep saying "a third Bush term". expect a lot of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:01 AM

Actually, the current farm strategy for corn growers is to plant, I believe I heard yesterday, about 8% less this year.

So hang on to yer corn chips folks, we're runnin' on corn gas here!

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:58 AM

I would keep the bars open. The price of corn is going up, and keeping them open might help rye in the commodities market.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:53 AM

I would say that Obama and Clinton are both skating on thin ice, but that the temp is a tad warmer on the lake where Obama is skating.

From AP today:

"Some Democratic strategists have warned of damage to the party's chances in November if women—especially the older, white working-class women who are Clinton's base—sense a mostly male party establishment is unfairly muscling her out of the race. Women make up the majority of Democratic voters nationwide."

Here is Minnesota, we are wondering why jr senator Amy Klobuchar declaring for Obama was national news of the "trend" sort; contemplating what a 3 way senate race between Norm Coleman, Bush lackey, Al Franken, "social satirist", and former governor and Independent Party wrestler/politician Jesse Ventura would look like, and; of course, and most importantly, whether we should keep the bars open until 4 a.m. during the RNC in St Paul.

Priorities, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 08:23 AM

Because people realize he is the one Republican who has any chance of beating the Democrats in the fall. If they nominate Obama, he probably will.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: M.Ted
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 01:54 AM

This was the funny line, Jack--"you strike me as someone who only stands for what you think people will fall for." It sounds like the sort of thing Jack Paar would have said.

As to McCain, back when the rumors were that he was going to quit the republican party and run as John Kerry's VP candidate, there were a bunch of people around here who thought *he* was the best thing since sliced bread. If he was so great then, why is he so bad now?

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 01:34 AM

>>
From: M.Ted
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:39 PM

And the McCain people couldn't be happier;-)<<<

>>
From: M.Ted
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 01:18 AM

That was a funny line, GG--mean spirited though it may have been--

As to not influencing people by your arguments, Jack, give yourself a little credit--you almost convinced me support McCain, all on your own.

And I actually got out my address book and sent out a couple of pointed notes on the subject of how annoying and divisive the Obama people were getting to be, with a couple of cut and pastes from you, Jack--so one person can make a difference.<<

MCCAIN VOTER PLAGIARIZES JOKE FROM SELF!!

HILLARY CAMPAIGN IS BLAMED!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: M.Ted
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 01:18 AM

That was a funny line, GG--mean spirited though it may have been--

As to not influencing people by your arguments, Jack, give yourself a little credit--you almost convinced me support McCain, all on your own.

And I actually got out my address book and sent out a couple of pointed notes on the subject of how annoying and divisive the Obama people were getting to be, with a couple of cut and pastes from you, Jack--so one person can make a difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 12:15 AM

G/G, good for you. You have a GOOD job waiting for you in the political shadows.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 12:14 AM

Guest,

Your lack of substance reminds me of one who comes here only to hear herself type.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 12:10 AM

Why Jack, you clearly aren't the sort to argue with someone to influence their opinion. No, you strike me as someone who only stands for what you think people will fall for.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 12:01 AM

McCain could not care less. I'm going to smoke some chicken for the Obama campaign workers from out of state and help my neighbors get to the polls. If North Carolina is in play for the general, I volunteer some time then too.

It would be naive of me to think that I, a white conservative Canadian, could influence a typical American person by arguing with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:41 PM

Not being able to vote doesn't mean he doesn't have a stake in the outcome, M. Ted. He lives and pays taxes in this country.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: M.Ted
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:39 PM

And the McCain people couldn't be happier;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:33 PM

I can't vote but I can campaign!

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:23 PM

Sure, and I agree, Ted; I didna start the quibble, either.

Jack is straight by his lights, too, and has a fine mind and a good heart. But I think we all get weary of slander and the acrimonious forge of the campaign.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: M.Ted
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:19 PM

Amos, I was raised to believe that teaching has honor and dignity, no matter what the circumstances. And is it not said, occasionally, anyway, that there are no part time teaching jobs, only part-time salaries? I have great respect for those who practice before the bar--unlike some here who berate lawyers as a matter of habit.

I only strive to bring forward facts that may have been overlooked--if they cause distress to you, I extend my sympathy (But only to you, Amos--Jack the Sailor is a malcontent, who can't vote, at least as far as I understand)

At any rate, for those whose rising star is Obama, quibbling about a few words in a campaign flyer is nothing compared to the scalding that is coming his way, should he get the nomination.   When you hear what's coming, you'll play those U-tube clips of Rev. Wright for comfort--

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 10:22 PM

Ronald Reagan?

if he did. he only used the parts he liked.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:55 PM

"Its where the Nobel Prize for economics likes to live."


                      That's what I mean. It's amazing how wrong those guys can be--Frederick Heyak, Milton Friedman--Ronald Reagan read their books and that's how we got in the mess we're in now.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:52 PM

Clinton and Obama have both attacked McCain since Thursday. A a tag team, they are formidible.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:35 PM

Well, one reason why certain people raise these"divisive" issues, false or true, is to wear voters down, discourage them from further participation in the campaign, and even to vote.

Once you're over your initial enthusiasm for a candidate, it's all hard work.

I do agree that a "no prisoners war" between Clinton and Obama supporters will only further the McCain campaign. But I don't see or hear that level of antipathy in my part of the world. What I do hear is that if their candidate loses in the primary, they will still vote for the Democratic candidate but will be less inclined to work as volunteers in the Presidential Campaign. That is worrisome but may just describe the attitude of the more ardent supporters. And even their attitude may change as the Presidential Campaign heats up, and the Republicans and the surrogates begin forking out the real shit.

I do agree with Feingold's statement and applaud him for making it. Thanks for pointing that out, Gigi.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:29 PM

Hold on thar Amos!

Some of my best friends are part time instructors!

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:46 PM

SInce the University referred to him as a Senior Lecturer, Ted, and said it considered such as professors, why did you choose, instead, the denigrating phrase "part-time instructor" in your post?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:43 PM

BTW, who the hell cares if Obama padded his resume?

The same people who dragged out the Wright video? The Clinton in Bosnia video?

Wouldn't it be nice if the media did their damn job and covered oh, I dunno, how about the plague of issues facing the American people?

No, that would be too much to ask.

It is a horse race, a beauty contest, American Idol & Are You Smarter the a Fifth Grader, who is Brangelina related to, and what did the candidates say on Oprah and The View.

That is how we are being forced to choose the next leader of the free world.

Heartening, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:40 PM

M Ted,

If the School he taught at says that he was a professor, he was a professor.

According to merriam-webster is can call himself a professor by three of the four possible definition. He was most certainly using definition 2 b.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professor


pro·fes·sor
Pronunciation:
\prə-ˈfe-sər\
Function:
noun
Date:
14th century
1: one that professes, avows, or declares
2 a: a faculty member of the highest academic rank at an institution of higher education b: a teacher at a university, college, or sometimes secondary school c: one that teaches or professes special knowledge of an art, sport, or occupation requiring skill.

I think that about settles it.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:39 PM

Hey, ya' all... Check it out... While the ol' hillbilly was up in the big city today here's the latest chapter of....

(((((((((((((((((((( GG Delusions ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

********Support for Obama = Supprt for McCain********************

Ahhhh, ya' all hear that??? Ya' all better not say yer fir Obama 'casue everyone knows that means yer really for McCain???

Yeah, I'm kinda puzzled by that myself so what was I to do but...

...turn this one over to the Wes Ginny Slide Rule which spent about 10 seconds on it and said, and I quote here:

"Is the person friggin' nuts???"

Yep, thse were the WGSR's actual words...

There soes seem to be this "disconnect" in GG logic that is becoming more and more apparent with each passing day...

LIke how do you spell "troll"???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: M.Ted
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:32 PM

The quote was from the Sun-Times article that I linked to in my first post, Amos, which I said. As to not "rebutting" the original statement, since her office made the original statement in the first place, that would be a bit absurd.

As to you, dear, delightful Jack--it was a part time teaching job, with a bit of resume padding--But do you think that the PR person for U of C law school is going to clip the wings of a faculty member who is possibly the next president? Think of all the fundraising dinners!!

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:30 PM

Its where the Nobel Prize for economics likes to live.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:17 PM

I thought he was teaching at the University of Chicago. Isn't that where all those wigged out economists came from?

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:14 PM

Ummmmmm....yes?




A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:06 PM

Was he trying to tell people that he taught Constitutional Law at a prestigious University in a concise and clear manner?

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:00 PM

I'm having a really hard time figuring out why someone would decide whom to vote for (for president) based on whether or not someone in the Mudcat said something that pissed them off.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 07:53 PM

Frankly, though I'm not supporting Obama, it seems like a stupid thing to argue over to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 07:51 PM

You guys are really wrapped around he axle.

Fact: His title was Senior Lecturer.

Fact: The Universirty considers Sr Lecturers as faculty and professors.

Fact: He was not granted the title Professor because he was not on tenure track or full-time.

Fact: he was serving the University of Chicago as a professor (function) as Senior Lecturer (title).

He is entitled to state he was a professor.   He is NOT entitled to state he was given the title Professor.

There is always a distinction between title and function. Ask any Army Captain who has never been aboard a ship.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: bobad
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 07:31 PM

Methinks the nit-picking betrays a certain desperation.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 07:19 PM

I very much doubt Obama can legitmately call himself 'Professor of Law' as that requires that one be a tenure track prof.

I realize it is meaningless to most people, but in higher ed, they take their ridiculous title shit way too seriously.

Not even a Sr Lecturer would be allowed to use the title 'Professor of Law' I don't think.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 06:50 PM

I think, you will find M. Ted, that according to the University of Chicago that Obama is entitled to call himself a "Professor of Law at the University of Chicago" Or even a "Professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago", since that is precisely what he taught. but that he is not entitled to call himself a "Full Professor or a tenured Professor at the University of Chicago."

I have not read in detail exactly what he is accused of but I heard him call himself a Professor of Constitutional Law on The View and as far as I can see that is OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Peace
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 06:40 PM

Thanks, Mick.

I hope y'all have a great day, eh!

That's my new election slogan. I ain't runnin' for anything, but a guy's gotta have a slogan handy just in case he gets elected behind his own back. I figure that that "y'all" thing will help with voters who appreciate beer, don't appreciate beer or don't know what beer is. It will help with the spatula people, too. They are a badly disenfranchised group. Remember: A vote for me is a vote for spatulas.
















I hope y'all have a great day, eh!

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 06:38 PM

LOL!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Jeri
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 06:34 PM

No Mick. THIS year it ends on May Day. It's a special thing because of the lunar eclipse.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Big Mick
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM

Ended on Easter Sunday, my friend. Feel free to blast away....

All the best,

Mick

Subject: IMPORTANT
From: Peace
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 06:24 PM

Would someone let me know when Lent is over? I made the decision to avoid politics until the end of the 40 days. BUT, I can't recall when I started. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 06:24 PM

Yet, he was "considered faculty" as a Senior Lecturer, and "considered as a professor, and offered permanent status full time on three occasions.

I had not seen the second statement, Ted; thanks for bringing it to my attention.

I note that Mme Nagorsky, in your unlinked quote, did not rebut what the original statement said; the original title did not state he held the title of professor of Law. His title was Senior Lecturer.

No question.

The statement that has NOT been rebutted in your quote is that the University considers Senior Lecturers as professors and as faculty (in class, not in title) as I described above.

Or do you have another unlinked quote up your sleeve?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: M.Ted
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 06:18 PM

The original, and somewhat misleading press release was amended by a second release that Amos, for his own reasons, prefers not to acknowledge. In case you didn't read the link above, here is the relevant point:

"He did not hold the title of professor of law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the school, on East 60th St. in Chicago.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 05:10 PM

Or maybe there are some GG clones posting?

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 05:01 PM

I have a secret theory.

I think that GG is simply trying to stir us up.

But I have a conflicting theory.

That she is very passionate but doesn't think things through.

It is a puzzler alright!

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 04:34 PM

One moment GG seems to be saying that it doesn't matter who wins in November, because all the parties and the candidates are essentially the same - and the next it's "If you could all get that through your heads, the Democratic party might just be able to win in November. Refuse to get that through your heads, and welcome John McCain as your new president." Which suggests that GG thinks what happens in November does matter.

These both seem arguable positions - but they don't really seem like the same position.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 04:26 PM

Very funny, RIg. And next week, Hillary will be clearly remembering her time as a professor of Constitutional law at Vassar.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 04:23 PM

Obama is just a little behind the curve. Next week he'll be coming out with his own story about running across the tarmac in Bosnia under sniper fire.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 04:22 PM

U of C statement (original) here.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 04:13 PM

M. Ted:

The University of Chicago released a statement making it clear that he was a professor; the disitinction is that he was not a professor on tenure track. He was offered that position several times, but dclined it.

Just to keep the facts straight. He is fully entitled, according to the University, to state he was a professor, because he was. Here's the quote:

"From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year.

Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching."




A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 04:05 PM

"She said the status of a senior lecturer is "similar" to the status of a professor and Obama did teach core courses usually handled only by professors..."

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, M'Sieu.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 03:47 PM

I don't think that Hillary is delusional or a witch. I think she was desperate and not looking at the big picture. I think that the recent spike in her unfavorable ratings has caused her to see the light and start to campaign as a serious candidate and a Democrat. I think from here on in she will basically stick to policy and attacking McCain.

I had and have no problem with her running. But the string of tactics and arguments that she engaged in were basically arguments that McCain was the bets choice. The 3 AM ad especially could have been tailor made for McCain.

I don't think McCain is a war monger. But he is trying to get the war monger's base to rally around him. He is saying a lot of things which are out of character for him, which worries me more than anything else.

I don't think Obama is an empty suit. He is making some very concrete proposals about foreign policy which will have far reaching effects for this country. He will send elite troops into Pakistan to get Al Qaeda, if he has to. Make no mistake. I believe that we will have war under Obama. But I think it will be the right war.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: kendall
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 03:28 PM

And that film clip of Hillary claiming she entered Bosnia under fire, was that a Obama dirty trick?

Know what? I don't even give a shit who wins, because we LOSE either way. Our choices are:
1. A delusional witch
2. A war monger
3. An empty suit

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 03:24 PM

Dick, I thought you knew me better than that. A vote is a personal choice and I was expressing mine. You are under no obligation to vote for anybody, though if we had a female dominated society with no male presidents ever and a majority of women in Congress, you might have a better understanding of what I mean. Whether you like it or not, Clinton running and being so far mostly successful at what she is doing, IS history. A FIRST in the history of our country. A vote for McCain will be just another in a long line of male politics as usual. Maybe you don't understand it from a woman's point of view? (Though I doubt that.:-)

I am simply saying, like the old bumper sticker, "Sisters pick up sisters." While it may have had a different meaning then, to me it means, now, women support women in their efforts to succeed in a male dominated world, esp. in the workplace. Of course, I don't mean blindly, but with Clinton we're not talking about supporting some fringe element. Keep talking and she may get my vote instead of Obama, as I said.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: M.Ted
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 03:05 PM

Fkor those of you who missed it Obama was a part-time instructor, not a "Professor of Law"

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 01:52 PM

Miaou, miaou, Gigi. Of course I justify myself.

No-one else will do it for me!

But your bitterness and sarcasm really, truly do undercut your own effort to communicate; perhaps you dopn't even see the acid that seems to drip off your remarks. Whyncha chill, lass?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 01:50 PM

WTF is your problem?

People can vote for a candidate for whatever damn reason they want, and don't have to answer to anyone for voting how they so choose.

If people want to vote for McCain because he is from Arizona and so is their favorite grandma, then they can do it.

Last time I checked, citizens were supposed to be able to vote however they wanted, without fear of intimidation by others. It is called "a free and fair democratic election". Which part of that do some of you have with that?

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 01:24 PM

Kat-
"I am a /womon/feminist, first and say "fuck all to the glass ceiling!"

Does that mean because I'm neither black nor a woman I am somehow obligated to vote for McCain?

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 01:16 PM

Says the king of self-justification.

Try and lay off your 'submit message' button.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 12:58 PM

If you could provide some specifics, Gigi, it would make your armwaving generalizations more palatable.

IF you could take responsibility for your own exemplary paranoia at times past here on the forum, it would also make it more credible.

At present, I try to understand exactly what you are referring to and am forced to give it up as a bad job because it is neither.

My experience has been that dirty tricks and snide or passive-aggressive remarks, nattery generalizations, and such tend to have two major responses. They drive people into apathetic silence because they are so illogical, or they infuriate them.

DUring the Bush campaigns a lot of hopeful people were driven into apathetic confusion because the falsifications and the slams and the distortions from Bush's minions were bewildering, brazen, and so confident that normal people were driven to accepot them silently in many cases, thinking they must have some kind of information we don't. Obviosuly, the ordinary voter must be missing somethign because the messages from the Oval Office just didn't make sense.

But from the harsh experience of eight years of that clique, we learned, at least, that we were wrong. THere was no secret, superior intell, and the things that looked crazy were just that. The dirty tricks were just dirty. The poses were hollow and the justifications were false.

We also learned that the retreat into silent resignation when confronted with illogic is a dangerous choice, because it lends power to falsifiers.

I don't hold with gratuitous attacks and insults, from Obama supporters or Hillary supporters. But when Hillary's crew puts out a national release saying Obama was not a professor, when the U of C says he was, then I think anyone of goodwill has a duty to piep up and point out the lie. And do it energetically and clearly and pointedly so there is no question about it. So you can count on me, and anyone else who learned these lessons from the sad capitulation of the nation under the Rove administration, to refuse to shut up on issues of fact and reason. Including the kind of distortive passive-aggressive assertions that don't really lie directly but imply whole acres of false reality by altering importance, ignoring context, abd all the other tricks of the slime-writer.

A

A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 12:32 PM

I would change my support to Clinton IF I thought we could bring back the ERA, reinstate regulation of media ownership, and torpedo the misogynists who are showing their true colours during this campaign. I may switch to her, anyway, despite my misgivings. I am a /womon/feminist, first and say "fuck all to the glass ceiling!"

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:14 AM

BTW, being critical of Obama on the issues is not "attacking" Obama. Learn to distinguish between personal attacks and dirty tricks, and genuine, legitimate criticism of one's opponent in the race.

There IS a difference between the two, and I think (hope) the fact that so many Obama supporters aren't understanding that difference is due to their youth and inexperience with the rough and tumble of political debate.

If you could all get that through your heads, the Democratic party might just be able to win in November.

Refuse to get that through your heads, and welcome John McCain as your new president.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:10 AM

The only posters to this thread with a beef about Feingold pointing the finger at Obama supporters, are the very Mudcat members engaging in the behavior.

That cognitive dissonance thing again.

They claim they aren't doing it, then turn around and do it, even in threads that are about them doing it.

You can't be much blinder than that.

It is like blaming Bush for everything, and ignoring the collusion of the Democratic party--including BOTH Clinton and Obama--in the nation's problems.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:03 AM

I dunno who saw what where, but in the blogs and such that I have read I would say there has been as much assholery on the one side from supporters as on the other.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 10:54 AM

Again , GG distorts the facts and makes a bogus conclusion.


For NBC's latest poll Obama is 2 points ahead of McCain, Mrs. Clinton Is 2 points behind.

For a weighted average covering the worst week in Obama's campaign, Obama is .2 percent behind. A sane person would call that a tie sisnce the margin of error is at least 5 points.

Clinton is 1.4 behind McCain, not doing as well as Obama but still pretty much tied.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 10:21 AM

It isn't about Hillary being treated unfairly. It is about Obama's supporters acting like juvenile assholes, and giving the Democratic party a black eye.

So keep up your campaigning for McCain there, Bobert. So far Obama's supporters are doing a bang up job of driving general election voters into the Republican camp.

Your boy is beating Clinton, but still you beat up on Clinton's supporters, for no other reason than it feels really good to you to treat "the enemy" like shit. Obama's supporters wouldn't do it, if it didn't make them feel better. Bullying other people makes insecure people feel better. This is a textbook case of bullying and intimidating and harrassing Clinton's SUPPORTERS. Democratic party grassroots activists and voters who are on YOUR side.

You can ignore Clinton. But Clinton's supporters are the very people Obama will need to win in November.

Feingold's point, I think, was this. Obama is ahead in the popular vote, delegate count, and most national polls, when compared to Clinton. So why this vicious "let's stone Hillary Clinton to death" shit? It just alienates people.

When compared to McCain in the national polls, Obama is behind McCain.

Get it?

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:07 AM

Oh, the guilt!!!

I'm sorry Hillary... I know that everything that has come out of this campaign that is nasty is from us mean Obama folkls and that everything moral and wonderfulll has come from you and Bill...

Geeze, not too sure what got into us but we are real sorry and, ahhhhh, here... You take the noimination... You would have won it fair and square if we had not been such meanies... And we'll all go out right now and put Clinton stickers over our Obama stickers... Anything else we can do for you??? Maybe get you a pillow???


















Not.

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:53 AM

The whole Jackson-Lee scenario points to the juvenile elements in Obama support. It further convinces me that if Obama is the nominee, we will end up with McCain in November.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 12:28 AM

Would you please post that.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 12:27 AM

They have a constitutional right to petition their congresswoman. They are allowed to show their displeasure. She represents them, she does not rule them.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 12:17 AM

Apparently Jack didn't see the video where it took about 5 security guys to take the guy out of the place after haranguing Chelsea.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 12:16 AM

And then there is this story that popped up this weekend:

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by Pro-Obama Constituents

Here's the description provided by the YouTube video-maker:

    U.S. Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee from Texas (D-Houston) gets booed at Texas Senate District 13 Democratic Convention on March 29, 2008. Though her congressional district is overwhelmingly in support of Senator Barack Obama for President, Congresswoman Jackson Lee is a superdelegate and supporter of Senator Hillary Clinton in the 2008 U.S. Presidential Race. When she took the stage, she had to wait a couple of minutes for the booing and Obama cheering to subside and kept remarking, "I'll wait for you to stop."

From KVUE, the Austin, Texas television station that has more raw video of the booing:

    HOUSTON — On the campus of Texas Southern University was a Democratic Senate District convention unlike the others being held across the state.

    Democrats together, but yet still divided over who should be the Democratic presidential nominee.

    And never more was that more apparent than when longtime Houston Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee took the stage.

    A majority of the crowd showed its support for Barack Obama by shouting his name and booing the congresswoman, letting her know what they thought of her allegiance to Hillary Clinton.

    To some, especially Clinton supporters at the convention, the booing came out of nowhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 12:06 AM

Guest, Guest is telling partial truths to cloud the issue.

It was an MSNBC bobble head that talked about pimping Chelsea out. He was suspended for by NBC. He is back on the air now. But he is doing reports now, not doing commentary. It certainly was not an Obama supporter.


Here is how it happened.

The young man who asked Chelsea about the biggest news in her Dad's Presidency said that he was a Hillary supporter. And he asked the question because he thought that she would have a good answer. Apparently she did. It made all the news casts and took the heat off her mother in tough times. She said it was the first time she had been asked that question in 70 colleges. I doubt that that is a coincidence. The whole thing was very dramatic and perfectly staged. The Clintons are political masters when Hillary is not in panic mode.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 12:05 AM

She has broken plenty, and knows where the bodies are buried. And she has more than Obama, to be sure.

Obama didn't say that Clinton had a "Tonya Harding option" strategy. He said he wouldn't pull a Tonya Harding on his rivals.

Which apparently means, he will accuse them of doing it to him.

Here is the ABC News story:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/obama-not-going.html

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:50 PM

There's just about every news source listed which ran the Hardin reference listed HERE. I don't see anything about Obama saying it, either. I also see that the reference has been flying around the media long before this, in their endless and nauseating speculations, as far back as January.

Wonder how many hands Clinton has broken and if she knows where the bodies are...TIC.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Peace
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:39 PM

'According to the ABC News archives, it was Obama himself who first made the "Tonya Harding option" reference that Bobert picked up and ran with here.'

I'd love to read the source for that statement. I went to the blog site but can't locate it.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:26 PM

According to the ABC News archives, it was Obama himself who first made the "Tonya Harding option" reference that Bobert picked up and ran with here.

This surprises people about Obama and his minions?

Why?

You don't get to the level Obama is at unless you've broken some hands, and know where the bodies are buried.

Feingold is very clear that he isn't an enthusiastic Obama supporter, so I think his remarks do reflect something quite different from what Bill Clinton was attempting to do this week, which was to reassure the troops to keep their level of commitment from flagging in the weeks dragging on until PA.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Peace
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:24 PM

I feel much the way you do, Riginslinger, 'cept I'd prefer Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:22 PM

Yeah, I'd like to see Hillary get the nomination, but I wouldn't think Obama supporters would stoop to something like this. My guess is it's coming from fans of Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et al...

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:20 PM

FWIW, Bill told Hillary supporters to "chill out," too, so it must be going around:

Chill out."

That's the advice former President Bill Clinton gave Democrats concerned about the extended nomination fight between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in a speech Sunday at the state Democratic convention in San Jose.

You may read the rest of it by clicking here.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Peace
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:18 PM

If indeed this type of thing is coming from the Obama camp, it is dastardly. However, it seems both sides (Hillary and Obama) will take advantage of supporters' comments that SHOULD be shot down but aren't. Not until they have caused the damage they can to the opposition. I do NOT see the Hillary camp being any cleaner in this regard. Nor do I suspect that either H or O would lend their support to that type of tactic.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:14 PM

Well, it is still an anonymous source, because the ABC News media whore that put it on his blog, then had to atone for it on the newscast ain't givin' up the ghost of who exactly it was.

And Rig, "Hillary, iron my shirts" is among the tamer things being bandied about.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Peace
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:14 PM

If anyone spoke about my daughter in that manner I'd break his fu#kin' legs.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:11 PM

You're kidding. Are people really out there saying things like that?

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Peace
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:11 PM

"anonymous Democratic party source"

Then it ain't anonymous.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:10 PM

Oh yeah--and that the "anonymous Democratic party source" for the Tonya Harding thing was from the Obama campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:09 PM

Yes, I just saw that clip too, over on Huffington Post. Pretty cool thinker on her feet, isn't she?

I also saw that the "pimping Chelsea" shit has resurfaced.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:07 PM

I don't like what has been going on between the candidates, but I am uncomfortable at any hints that Senator Clinton should step down. It reminds me too much of patriarchal assholes slapping down any uppity wimmin who happen to "overstep" their "bounds." I would prefer for Obama to get the nomination, but I will vote for Clinton if she gets it instead.

I saw her daughter on tv tonight and I can see that young woman growing up to be president, easily. I loved her straightforwardness when asked about Monica, she calmly and firmly told the asker it was none of their business. Her dad should have taken a cue from her! Also, she will not take any questions from the press, only from the people.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: Peace
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:06 PM

I await your rebirth as a comic. You can be funny as all get-out when you choose to.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:57 PM

I have no life

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: bobad
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:33 PM

"bobad, Obama doesn't agree with you about that."

That's his prerogative.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:31 PM

bobad, Obama doesn't agree with you about that. Nor do most Democrats, Republicans, or independents.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:30 PM

Also from TalkLeft:

The Blogosphere's Big Mistake In Campaign '08
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Blog Related
Posted on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:30:20 PM EST

Via commenter white n az, a report from the Eschacon Media criticism forum (see also Susie Madrak's own report, she was the moderator):

    Media Matters' Eric Boehlert. . . . [T]here's a new phenomenon ... it goes back to Gore's press in 1999 which was "really unfair and really weird." What's happening online now is potentially dangerous: HRC has gotten dreadful press, not fair, "gotcha," and so on -- there's a portion of the blogosphere that has ignored that and there's a portion that has encouraged that. It's dangerous because the media criticism has to be consistent and relentless, and we can't very well say, "You can't go after our candidates ... except this one." I get nervous about pushback regarding disingenuous coverage - our response needs to be, "You can't treat Democrats this way." When people in the left blogosphere are quoting an anonymous Matt Drudge source, it makes me nervous.

    [Susie] Madrak: the rule of thumb is that if you read or hear something that makes you hate another Democrat, you need to dig down further because there's more to the story. The real enemy is the media, and they see themselves as the only superdelegates.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: bobad
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:29 PM

All the polls show that Hillary can't get enough delegates to defeat Obama.

She would do a lot to elevate the tone of the contest by graciously conceding to him and putting her energy toward defeating the Repubs in November.

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:28 PM

ooooooh the blogs are running ooooooooohhhhhh!!

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:20 PM

Just a few of the blogs running with Feingold's comments:

TalkLeft
The Ruckus
DemocraticUnderground
Leftword
DailyKos

And many of the blogs are just running the TalkLeft comments by Big Tent Democrat:

"By Big Tent Democrat

Speaking for me only

I think I have been clear that I believe Barack Obama will be the Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party. If he is, I hope all Democrats will support him. But I have no doubt now that the biggest obstacle to Obama's being able to unify the Democratic Party is likely to be the behavior of Obama blogs, Obama radio talk show hosts, the Obama network (NBC), Obama supporters and the Obama campaign itself. The contempt shown for Hillary Clinton supporters has been appalling. Russ Feingold has some advice for these folks:

    "I'll tell some of the (Barack) Obama supporters here today: Cool it," Feingold, D-Middleton, said Wednesday to a group of about 50 people at the University of Wisconsin Marathon County. "Take it a little easy."

Subject: RE: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:16 PM

Note that the exclamation point was not Feingold's. GG is the frantic one.

Subject: BS: Feingold to Obama Supporters: Cool it!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 09:52 PM

One of the very few people in the US government I respect, Senator Russ Feingold (D) of Wis, slapped down Obama supporters this week. Below is the story.


By Robert Mentzer
Wausau Daily Herald
[e-mail]

The fight for the Democratic nomination for president has gotten personal in recent days, but U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold is urging calm.

"I'll tell some of the (Barack) Obama supporters here today: Cool it," Feingold, D-Middleton, said Wednesday to a group of about 50 people at the University of Wisconsin Marathon County. "Take it a little easy."

The campaigns of Sens. Obama of Illinois and Hillary Clinton of New York have exchanged blows in recent weeks, and aides to each campaign have resigned after making controversial statements. At UWMC, Feingold aimed his censure at Obama supporters, saying their purpose should not be to "crush" Clinton, but at other times, he seemed to take aim at both campaigns' rhetoric.

"People are frustrated by the length of this political season," Feingold said. "When that starts to get personal, it is to the benefit of the Republican candidate. I believe there's plenty of time for this to be over. But it needs to stop pretty soon."

Feingold has said he voted for Obama in Wisconsin's primary and that he is "highly inclined" to support him as a superdelegate at the Democratic convention. Following the constituent listening session, he told the Daily Herald that he thinks Democratic party leaders should try to influence the tone of the campaign, but that it is not yet time to step in to force an outcome.

"The more leaders say, 'Look, this (tone) isn't welcome,' ... I think people hear me say that, and I hope they'd say, well, you know, maybe he's right," he said.