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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bill D Date: 30 Dec 08 - 02:11 PM I can get TO the site....it just rejects a search and suggests I 'register'. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Dec 08 - 01:27 PM That's the place, Bill! Wonder why you cannot seach the national trust site though? Hmmmm. Cheers D. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bill D Date: 30 Dec 08 - 01:09 PM (I added a couple of images from there to my large collection which I rotate for my computer desktop) |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bill D Date: 30 Dec 08 - 12:53 PM hmmm... that page wants me to be a member before allowing a search. I can get lots of images from Google, however. I expect they do justice to the starkness of the area. just this image is amazing |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Dec 08 - 12:39 PM Loads of 'em Bill:-) I don't think anything can quite capture the plateau on film but for sheer imagery these pictures are a brave attempt to show the strangness of it all. I can't get it straight to the right page but type 'kinder plateau' in the search box and 7 images come up. Cheers DeG |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bill D Date: 30 Dec 08 - 12:19 PM Yes, DeG... I see what you mean ...does any one of those say it especially well for you? |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Dec 08 - 11:54 AM It's a funny thing but beauty is not always recognised as such. Well, not at first. Every time I crest Mam Nick, from the Castleton side, and the Vale of Edale opens out before me (provided it is not in the oft seen mist) I grin from ear to ear. Over the other side of the valley the huge plateau of Kinder Scout is spread before you, dark and oppresive. Yet drop into the valley. Call at the Nags Head if you must, and then head off up the old route of the Pennine Way and ascend Grindsbrook to reach the edge of that forboding plateau you saw from the other side of the valley. It is made of black peat and tough grass. Riven with deep trenches waiting to lure you into a sticky morass. But it is quiet. You can hear nothing but the wind and the skylark. As you struggle out of one trench, known localy as 'groughs', you can see you are in the centre of a saucer with weird and wonderful rock formations all around the edges. After about a mile of negotiating with the one of the toughest customers you are liely to meet, you reach the oddly sandy banks of the river Kinder before it leaps of the edge. Looking back I know that I have had a beautiful experience in one of the most wonderful places on the planet and it will remain a joy forever. Yet to some it is still a peat bog. No accounting for taste. Mine that is... Cheers DeG |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bill D Date: 30 Dec 08 - 11:16 AM (and I am SO clever! It took me only about 1 minute to find the source of the image...*grin*) |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bill D Date: 30 Dec 08 - 11:11 AM ummmm.... some 'muddy boots' would not be allowed by society to trespass many places in public. I wonder what JS Mill would say? (I'd suspect he'd be too transfixed to comment....) Now, those boots (and their contents) exemplify the debate over how to define 'beauty'...(and, for that matter, joy). They focus attention and demand 'response', but that image is NOT what *I* would choose as an example of any sort of beauty....the boots detract from potential beauty. YMMV |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Date: 30 Dec 08 - 09:40 AM I believe that that line by Keats was translated into Russian and then translated back (don't know if a Computer Programme were involved, or just two different translators). Anyway, it re-emerged as "A pretty plaything is always a pleasure". There's the potential for a sort of quiz-game here; try to fake the same kind of thing for other familiar lines. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Sleepy Rosie Date: 30 Dec 08 - 04:28 AM ".if Rodin had not named the piece "She who used to be....etc.", " Aye, well that'll teach me not to post rubbish after the best part of a bottle of wine... :-) Back on topic with something else I spotted yesterday. And someone who talked proper sensible things to me when a teenager, was J.S. Mill in On Liberty Somehow he belongs nestled alongside my always mud encrusted walking boots. Which while not exactly *classic* things of beauty (not my muddy boots ), with the various trespasses they have made, define me pretty well... |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: katlaughing Date: 29 Dec 08 - 10:55 PM What BillDarlin' isn't saying, because he's so modest is his art also exemplifies beauty in a way that allows us to imagine many things as we look at it as evidenced by his pieces of art: Clickie. Bill, I was looking specifically for that one vase you made with the negative space where the boll was. That is one of the most beautiful, intriguing pieces I've ever seen. Also, Rita's gorgeous pyrography! |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: olddude Date: 29 Dec 08 - 08:48 PM Collected works of Robert Frost presses my buttons |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bill D Date: 29 Dec 08 - 12:29 PM "...can't quite get a handle on." Oh, indeed... putting 'feelings' about art into words is always a compromise, at best. Great art, however, seems to be defined by how many people try. Now consider...if Rodin had not named the piece "She who used to be....etc.", but had merely called it "Very Old Woman", how would we view it and react to it? Words are powerful... |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Sleepy Rosie Date: 29 Dec 08 - 12:10 PM Fair comment Bill D. To be honest, I think my post was more of a knee-jerk reaction against Heinleins take there, than a genuinely considered thought on the Rodin piece in question. As for an oak tree not addressing the same emotional 'place' as a woman? I don't know about that for me personally. But then I've always suspected I'm a little autistic! ;-) Well, I guess for each of us, our associations will naturally differ and inform our personal experience of perceiving any work of art. But as soon as she becomes personalised as a woman that the viewer may have a typically human emotional relationship with (a Wife, Mother, Grandmother, or even Lover etc.) rather than simply "A Thing of Beauty" in and of herself, then her beauty becomes conditional to the specific type of emotional "other" relational counterpoint to the "I" which she is taking. I have this awful feeling I'm talking total bollox as usual, but I'm sorta grasping at something I can't quite get a handle on. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bill D Date: 29 Dec 08 - 10:33 AM Rosie: Lots of people disagree with Heinlein...*grin* but your metaphor doesn't quite make your point...an Oak tree doesn't address the same emotional 'place' as a woman - old or young. Rodin doesn't compel anything...but his art feels, to me, to exemplify beauty in a way that allows us to imagine many things as we look at it. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: freda underhill Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:54 AM beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil. Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror. Khalil Gibran |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Sleepy Rosie Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:25 AM Hmmm, maybe we do need extra classes in how to give literary offence. Must admit to enjoying a childishly expressed naughty word though... "You fucking arse-wipe!" is definately more unpleasant, but "You smellywelly bum-hole!" is more amusing. Plus the latter has the advantage in a flame-war situation of demonstrating to ones opponent, that you're not particularly distressed by their attacks. It is a virtual way of placig ones thumb on ones nose, wiggling ones fingers and going: >insert silly voice< "Nurny Nurny Nur Nur!!" Which I think even you will agree, is possibly the most enraging thing anyone could possibly do, when you're feeling really fucked-off... |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: catspaw49 Date: 28 Dec 08 - 09:29 PM Well damn Rosie....All you Brits got a big spellin' problem.What the hell is "shite?" You can't piss off anyone with some wussypussy word like that. What do you say? "Pardon me, but you can bite my shite." Hell you can't get nowhere with that.......But if you say, "Hey Jagov, why doncha' eat shit and die?" Well then you got a real fight going! I mean really now......Think about it.........Which has the most bite, the most raw power, the nastiest sound........ Shite Arse OR Shitass I rest my case. Spaw(;<)) |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Neil D Date: 28 Dec 08 - 04:46 PM Waking up and seeing my beautiful,wonderful husband, even without his hair, even single day. Neil's wife... Christina |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Sleepy Rosie Date: 28 Dec 08 - 03:47 PM Screw my terminally shite spellin! Lol. Some really nice images there. Not keen on some of the confection. Absolutely Loved Mimi Weddell though. Her stark, 'Yes, this is me, my life, and...?' In that open gaze, an exceedingly gentle and sincere "fuck you viewer - you know dick-all about me or my life and never will." Gotta love that kinda minimal honest pride. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: katlaughing Date: 28 Dec 08 - 03:19 PM That's a beautiful thought, BillD. Rodin is great, but I think Joyce Tenneson does a better job of portraying the person within with her photography, esp. in her Wise Women book (scroll down.) |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Big Al Whittle Date: 28 Dec 08 - 02:55 PM Bix beiderbecke playing 'jazz me Blues'. Miles davis/cannonball adderly playing Milestones. dave van Ronk playing Bad dream Blues. Charlie Parker playing Relaxing at Camarillo fats Waller sing and playing Until the Real Thing Comes Along George Jones singing Almost Persuaded the 1939 Paris session larry Adler and Django Rheinhardt playing Lover Come back to Me (and you can hear django humming and singing along). How come they do a Christmas schedule of television and none of these things are included? |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Sleepy Rosie Date: 28 Dec 08 - 01:43 PM Thanks for that link Bill D, and a very interesting quote from Heinlein there! But one that I profoundly disagree with. Rodan does not compell the viewer to see the beauty in the sitter that 'she used to be when once young', he compels the viewer to pariticipate in the beauty that he personally percieves in the aged-flesh which sits sagging and bent before, him exactly as she is, right now. When I look at an old oak tree, and am captivated by it's bug-ridden crevices, I am not in some abstract way appreciating the fine green sapling that it once was. Rodan (and sculpture in general IMHO) is about nothing if not about the sensually and palpably immediate *here and now*. Just an opinion, cheers again. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 28 Dec 08 - 12:37 PM Anything sung by Maria Callas and the Poetry of Yeats..and oh yes..Green Bay Nova Scotia. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bill D Date: 28 Dec 08 - 12:03 PM beautiful always |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: katlaughing Date: 28 Dec 08 - 11:59 AM My grandson, Morgan, will always be a thing of Beauty and Joy forever, for me. There are other things...I'll think on it and be back. Great idea for a thread! |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: kendall Date: 28 Dec 08 - 09:02 AM Spaw, beauty is in the eye of the Beer holder. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Jack Blandiver Date: 28 Dec 08 - 07:33 AM It is, of course, a thing of beauty is a joy forever. My cringing apologies for this gaffe; in respect of such matters (i.e. poetry) I am, at best, a dilettante - in respect of Hatfield and the North however I am a devotee. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Sleepy Rosie Date: 28 Dec 08 - 04:57 AM A genuinely tough question. Possibly an old paperback copy of The Water Babies. If for nothing other than the Irishwoman who preferred to walk alongside. And Genesis' Nursery Cryme - but especially The Fountain of Salmacis, which as an eleven year old surrounded as I was by crappy early 80's pop, opened my eyes to the potential magic of music. If not Nursery Cryme, then The Lamb. Wasn't Peter Gabriel a quite lovely looking yung man back then... |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Dec 08 - 07:29 PM You all know what I'm going to say here so I'll just move on without making rude and crude references..............Yes, I've turned over a new leaf (fig) and what lies beneath IS a thing of beauty...........oops, sorry............. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Liz the Squeak Date: 27 Dec 08 - 05:47 PM The most amazing lilac and apricot coloured dawn this morning, over a frosted landscape... sunrise over the gas works. One day I'll get the photos off the camera and online... LTS |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: John MacKenzie Date: 27 Dec 08 - 11:50 AM A thing of beauty is a joy for ever: Its loveliness increases; it will never Pass into nothingness; but still will keep A bower quiet for us, and a sleep Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: gnu Date: 27 Dec 08 - 11:10 AM Well! That's odd too. I was just feeding a pair of crows in my back yard on this cold and snowy day. I think there is sommat wrong with the female... they stayed all last winter and they are staying again. She flies a little crooked. I was watching the crows and Bluejays and such and started thinking about living here (next door) when I was a boy. Nothing but fields beyond our yard back then. I used to take a bucket across the fields to a set of two shallow ponds (swamps, really) along a brook and collect all manner of swamp creatures. But, my prize was the newt. I could sell them to the biology department at the university for good coin. Dunno what they did with them. Didn't care. I bought candy with the coin. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Big Al Whittle Date: 27 Dec 08 - 07:47 AM poem by nic toczek:- NEWT It's better by far to own a newt Than a bedbug or a bandicoot. Truly, there's no substitute For the ownership of a real live newt. I'll tell you this: if I'd a newt I'd feed it fish and free-range fruit, French food freshly fried en croute, Baked bean butties and boiled beetroot. I'd dress my newt in a minute suit, Shoving each claw in a Wellington boot, And, every weekday, he's commute To a management job at an institute. In war, my newt, as a raw recruit Would learn to march and aim and shoot And stand up straight and give a salute And volunteer to execute A daring raid by parachute. And if life left me destitute, My poverty utter and absolute… Ah,well! I'd simply sell the brute For a decent price cos he'd be a beaut And you get a lotta loot You get a lotta loot You get a lotta loot For a newt that's cute. |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 27 Dec 08 - 06:38 AM You're obviously radiating good vibes! |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: kendall Date: 27 Dec 08 - 06:34 AM What a coincidence! I have no idea why, but this morning when I got up that very statement by Keats popped into my mind. I opened Mudcat and there it is! |
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Subject: RE: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 27 Dec 08 - 06:26 AM My two-volume 1864 edition of Chambers' Book Of Days which is a treasure-trove of folk history and lore. It also lists birth & death dates of contemporary figures considered important in that era - interesting too to see how some things do not stand the test of time. These books always put me in mind of Thomas Hardy for some reason. Who knows, he might have had copies of these books. |
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Subject: A Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever... From: Jack Blandiver Date: 27 Dec 08 - 05:03 AM For us all there is some little thing that we carry through our lives as precious, cherished, immune to the changing tides of life and invulnerable to the corrupting influence of either memory or association. Though it has been with us for decades, it remains as integral & untarnished as it was the first day it chose us (as all great art does; not only does it choose us, but it defines every last damn thing we are); for as the poet wrote - a thing of beauty and a joy forever.... Looking around the festive mess of our house right now my eyes alight on several contenders, but on this third day of Christmas my personal TOBAAJF would have to be Side Two of the first album by Hatfield and the North. What's yours? |
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