BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 06:01 PM

OK. Let's try this again. If you want to have a thread about an event like a BNP protest, start a thread about the protest and then talk about it.

If you want to start a thread about the BNP, start one and then discuss the BNP and don't use it simply for posting the same slogan over and over again.

If you want to start a thread about the "Folk Against Fascism" movement, then talk about "Folk Against Fascism" movement and don't let it denigrate into petty squabbles and slogan-slinging or a repeat of the BNP discussion.

I'm going to close this thread, which is mostly about the closing of the previous thread that used to discuss Folk Against Fascism. It had 42 messages, and never got back to the subject of "Folk Against Fascism." If, and only if, you have something NEW to say about the BNP or Folk Against Fascism, then start a new thead.

The idea of a discussion forum is that we discuss, which means we follow the flow of ideas and respond to what other people have said earlier. There is no need for our egomaniacs to start new threads when there are related discussions ongoing.

Thank you.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:53 PM

Oh right, so we're now back to censoring me, are we, Joe?

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:42 PM

"Lizzie, you started the thread titled So why has the BNP gained votes?, so the previous "Folk Against Fascism" thread was closed. I have now also closed the "gained votes" thread. I allowed the Anti BNP protest thread because it is an announcement of an event - but that makes two BNP threads, and that's enough for a folk music forum. I realize that this is a popular and important topic, but two threads are enough. If you can't live with that, we'll ban the subject completely. Say whatever you want, but keep it confined to one thread, with reasonable exceptions granted for event announcements.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-"


One had *nothing* to do with the other, Joe....and well you know it.

So, are you now going to start banning the 'what is folk music/does it exist etc.etc.etc...' threads, ad infinitum?

ALL these threads are in the non-folk part of this forum, although WHY the FAF thread is down in BS I've not a clue, because it's the musicians who are at the forefront of changing this around, with their songs and their committment to NOT let their music, or their heritage, be taken away from them.

But hey, YOU are the Moderator and have Ultimate Power. so Power Away.

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: GUEST,George Davis
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:24 PM

Well said Joe. I honestly do fear this will all get out of hand, even attract the wrong sort. I can understand such a thread around the time of an election, that ended in June. Not only is all this BNP stuff becoming boring, the use of the F. word is now daily on such threads.

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:22 PM

Oh, hi Joe. My post of 0922 refers.

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: GUEST,George Davis
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:47 AM

No point, no sense, no need. That sums up this thread. The original subject of FAF was covered and Joe closed it. Please let it rest.

Thnks
George

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:55 AM

As EmmaB stated on the thread thread, BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? ..."the title [of the Folk Against Facism] thread did indicate that it was the appropiate place to look for (or post) information about any forth coming concerts, events etc especially for those people not on Facebook or myspace."

-snip-

While I recognize that Mudcat is not a democracy, as a member of Mudcat and as a member of Folk Against Facism, I feel it is important to state my support for a thread which has as its focus the FaF organization and not other (albeit)related topics.

As to what that means, I'll take the liberty of quoting this post from the first RE: Folk Against Fascism thread:

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Ruth Archer - PM
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 05:23 PM

...[Folk Against Facism] is a specific response to a specific set of circumstances - the attempted appropriation of British folk music and culture by the far right. It is an effort to raise awareness of what the BNP is doing to try and appropriate British folk music and culture, and an opportunity for musicians to respond collectively to the appropriation of their music by the far right.

-snip-

Given the differences in focus between this thread and the Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August thread as well as the above linked BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? thread, I sincerely hope that Joe Offer and the other Mudcat moderators will either reopen the first Folk Against Facism thread, or keep this Folk Against Facism - Part II
thread open.

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:22 AM

IMHO they are three separate topics.

But as Joe says, the Mudcat is not a democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:06 AM

Joe allows only ONE thread about the BNP--or so the story goes.

At present there are three:

BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August



Nick Griffiths will get some airplay. (Has anyone noticed that he's gained about two and a half stone since he got elected? Too many nights in the beer halls methinks.) Anyway, Nickypoo, this bud's for YOU.

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:01 AM

I'm not really bothered whether we talk about BNP on 1, 3,6 or 10 threads. However, for ease of reading things we appear to have the following live subjects.

* The demo at Codnor and folkies grouping together there
* The BNP electoral results.

I reckon the FaF thread has served its purpose and made the group well known. As and when there is an FaF announcement then it can start a new 'BS: FaF' thread, can't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:42 AM

George is the BNP poof wot 'angs with Fairplay.

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:40 AM

But they aren't on the same subject, at least in my view.

What problems do you think they may lead to?

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:39 AM

"George, don't Do That."

with thanks to Joyce Grenfell :)

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: GUEST,George Davis
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:37 AM

When has mudcat EVER ALLOWED THREE THREADS on the same subject ?

I am concerned they will lead to problems. Joe closed the original "folk against fascism" thread. Joe, PLEASE close this one too.

Thanks

George

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:37 AM

"I see that another BNP thread has been established. Since we generally allow only once active thread on any given subject at a time, I'm going to close this one. Please continue the discussion on the new thread (click)
-Joe Offer-"

This is the new thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:35 AM

This thread is about 'Folk Against Facism' and what they stand for.

The *other* threads are about the BNP, 'George' but each is about a different subject within that, both of which are important and so they should be kept separate.

And now...back to FAF, but thank you for your concern. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:32 AM

You can never have too many threads about combatting these fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: GUEST,George Davis
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:24 AM

THREE BNP THREADS IS TOO MUCH, PLEASE CLOSE TWO OF THEM. PLEASE CLOSE THIS ONE.

Subject: BS: Folk Against Facism - Part II
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:09 AM

Not sure why the other thread was closed down and linked into a thread about Woody Guthrie's birthday. Perhaps there was a mistake made.

And there is only one thread about the FAF movement, as far as I can see, so it must be OK to continue the topic in this Part II thread.

Here's the link to Folk Against Facism - Part I

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Lizzie, you started the thread titled So why has the BNP gained votes?, so the previous "Folk Against Fascism" thread was closed (it stopped talking about "FAF" and drifted to the BNP a month earlier). I have now also closed the "gained votes" thread. I allowed the Anti BNP protest thread because it is an announcement of an event - but that makes two BNP threads, and that's enough for a folk music forum. I realize that this is a popular and important topic, but enough is enough. If you can't live with that, we'll ban the subject completely. Say whatever you want, but keep it confined to one thread, with reasonable exceptions granted for event announcements or FAF organization - but if it's about the BNP, it should be in one thread.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-