BS: Running away from the truth

Subject: RE: BS: Open only for posts from John MacKenzie
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 05:30 AM

Gee thanks Joe, I am overcome with gratitude.
MY OWN THREAD YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Maybe by now you will have realised that people don't like being on the receiving end of 'Mushroom management'
You know what that is don't you Joe?
They keep you in the dark, and every so often they come and throw some shit on you.
It's especially annoying when you are asked to pitch in a few bucks to help pay for the shit.
It would be invidious to name names, but I happen to know that the very same style of dealing with folks, really upset a MC'r who is well known and loved on these here threads. I also believe he told you to stick the moderator job where the sun don't shine.
I believe his words to me were, "Where does he get away with talking to me like that, nobody talks to me like that"
You do talk down to people, and whether you mean it to or not, it comes over as snotty.
Perhaps I should have told you to do the same, that would have saved you the problem of lobbying Max to get rid of me.
Anyway, I found out why they are called Joe Clones, as they are only allowed to do what Joe will allow.
But what Joe allowed, changed quite often. I can remember conflicting instructions from you, about how to deal with a couple of people.
Nothing confuses the troops more than conflicting orders, and battles are lost that way.
Please stop the added homilies under posts, that you make in red, they may be meant to be fatherly, or even avuncular, but in many cases they come over as condescending.
Deal directly with the poster.
Please remember also, that like your pal in Rome, you are not really infallible.

Subject: BS: You asked me to state my case Joe
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Feb 10 - 06:41 PM

OK JOe, I'm game. I was NEVER told when Max made me a moderator, what to do. I was therefore left to make up my own mind as to what was right and what was wrong. Obviously we disagreed on that matter of taste.
Talking about editing according to personal taste, you do it all the time.
I am not sorry that I am no longer a moderator, quite the reverse in fact, as it isn't a position of autonomy, one is merely instructed to follow your orders.
What bugs me, and will continue to do so, is the patronising attitude you adopt to me and to others. You have upset many people on this site, by your unneccessary and hurtful comments. Either by adding them to the bottom of their posts, or by PM's.
Now I have not only received those from you, but I have been forwarded copies of those you have sent to others.
I think you need lessons in man management my friend, because tact is not your strong suit.
That is the nub of my grievance, and I am not alone in my opinions on this matter either.

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Feel free to respond in your personal thread.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Running away from the truth
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Feb 10 - 06:24 PM

In the comments I've seen posted today, John MacKenzie has been the one doing most of the stirring.

It's a common tactic on Usenet forums and the like for a troll to start a fight by accusing other people of being trolls.

(With which I bow out of any further discussion on this thread or any other thread he's put his oar into lately).

Subject: RE: BS: Running away from the truth
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Feb 10 - 06:21 PM

OK, maybe we SHOULD have a discussion about John MacKenzie and his pettiness. I've had it up to here-and-a-half with John and a number of others who don't seem to realize that this is a forum for music discussion, not a home for petty squabbles.
So, John, do you want to explain to the people why you were removed from your moderator position after a long history of editing according to personal taste instead of according to policy? And do you want to tell the nice people that your removal was almost a year ago, and why you still haven't been able to let the matter drop? C'mon John, tell us all about how horribly you have been persecuted, so people can see the truth about exactly how shallow and petty you are. Then maybe they'll know exactly who's running away from the truth.
I've said more than I should say, and I won't say any more. Our policy is that we do not allow Forum discussions on Mudcat policy because we cannot answer most such questions publicly. But I'll let John say whatever he wants to say - in this thread, and this thread only. I'm going to close the thread now. If he posts complaints about Mudcat policy anywhere, I'll move them into this thread.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: BS: Running away from the truth
From: Melissa
Date: 26 Feb 10 - 06:13 PM

At the moment, I'm not busily banging against a wall.
I just think it would be easier and more productive to try finding a way AROUND the wall..and would result in a lot less closed threads.

Subject: RE: BS: Running away from the truth
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Feb 10 - 06:10 PM

Ask him, I bet he won't though I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Running away from the truth
From: Melissa
Date: 26 Feb 10 - 06:01 PM

Since we all know that Policy Discussion/Complaint threads get closed, wouldn't it be more effective to try finding a way to have a chance to Talk instead of banging against a wall we all know is there?

Has anybody proposed an open meeting type deal in the chat where these forbidden topics are discussed with Joe, other Mods and whichever Members want to show up?

It's no good grousing around as long as it feels like a snarly bratfit to Joe since he's the one whose opinions are sandpapery in some edges.
If he'd agree to an open, aboveboard 'meeting' where he could be somewhat free of attacks, he would probably be more likely to be able to hear what's being said/suggested.

Subject: BS: Running away from the truth
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Feb 10 - 06:01 PM

Why won't people account for their actions on this site?