BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Sep 10 - 02:19 AM

Out in the Grays Harbor area on the coast of Washington State, up around Ocean Shores I think, there is a Gitche Gumee motel.

I think somebody's lost. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 04:10 PM

Alice, I had to go to the principal's office because of that poem.
We were assigned pieces of it to memorize, and recite before the class.
I was given a piece from Hiawatha's childhood.
A couple of us decided to mess it up. When recitation time came, I was first and the teacher unceremoniously told me to leave.


"By the shimmy of the hootsee kootchee......"

A terrible poem.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 11:19 PM

Minnesota is called the Land of Sky Blue Waters.

It's from Longfellow's poem "The Song of Hiawatha". The poet was inspired by Minnesota's nature and there are place names in the poem.


Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 11:07 PM

Did they ever say just where the land of sky blue waters was?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 09:57 PM

Another Hamm's bear Beer ad

There is a book about Hamm's beer ads: "The Paws of Refreshment: A History of Hamm's Beer Advertising" available at Amazon.


from the land of sky blue waters...


Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 09:46 PM

When I was a little girl and we first got a tv back in the 1950's, I LOVED the bear and the song from the Hamms ads.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 09:40 PM

Oh, thank you, Alice! I LOVED the Hamm's commercials! I also loved the Hamm's lamps (which looked as if the water was flowing, canoes rowing, etcet) which were in Midwestern (read: Wisconsin) taverns during the '50s and early '60s.

My mother was from Stetsonville, Wisconsin (population 319 -- 4 taverns) and my father was from Colby. When we'd go "Up North" to visit, we'd (my parents and us kids) stop first at John Doctor's Tavern in Stetsonville (multi-colored lights on the Wurlitzer jukebox, stuffed deer heads, flying squirrels and other wildlife on the walls), move to Jakey's, then to Fisher's, etc. and see everyone in town. Taverns were kid-friendly -- we'd crawl around under the pinball machines, have the adults buy us packets of Planter's Peanuts and candy bars.

These places were, as one waitress described The Press Room, truly "family gin mills".

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 08:43 PM

Well, I swan! Thank you, Alice.

Ebbie, flouncing off.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 05:48 PM

The mountain spines of the two American continents are discontinuous, belonging as they do to separate plates.
The Mexican range of the Rockies are the Sierra Madres, in Alaska the Brooks Range.
Each is composed of a number of named ranges, the Rocky Mts. having over 100, the Sierra Madres 2.

The Coast Range of the U.S. often includes the Sierra Nevada And the Alaska Range; The Cascades in part parallel the Coast Range.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 05:40 PM

As Ebbie said, she was not talking about the Rocky Mountains being in Minnesota, but that the beginning point of travel is in Minnesota moving west toward the Rocky Mountains.



A.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 05:37 PM

And as far as we know it's all a result of continental drift. The huge plates under the Pacific Ocean are subducting under the lighter continental plates, which creates great pressure, which raises mountain chains (and the occasional volcano) all along the western coastlines of most of North and South America.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 05:24 PM

Though they are really the continuation of the Andes, extending from Tierra del Fuego...

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 03:47 PM

The Rocky Mountains extend from New Mexico to northern British Columbia in Canada.
The Rockies are many miles west of the plains of Minnesota, which does not have anything constituting a northern tier of any mountain range.
MN has some hills.)

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 01:33 PM

Pretty sure it was John Denver.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 01:12 PM

Ah din't say that, JtS. What I was presenting was that the beginning point was northern US, not, for instance, from Alabama through Wyoming to Oregon Country.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 12:51 PM

I think that Canadian members might wonder at Minnesota being the norther tier of the Rocky mountains.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 12:36 PM

One of the nicknames for Montana was Land of the Shining Mountains until Chet Huntley built Big Sky Ski Resort and now everyone uses the nickname Big Sky Country.

Remember this?

(Minnesota) Land of Sky Blue Waters Hamms Beer


Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 12:36 PM

Sylvester Stallone?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 12:12 PM

Ah, Rapaire, but the Big Horns, in WY are also known as the "Shining Mountains." Of course, they are part of the Rockies.:-)

I was wondering about that Minnesota reference, too.*smile*

MarkS: The origin of the current name is controversial. The most common explanation is that "Grand Teton" means "large tit" in French, named by either French-Canadian or Iroquois members of an expedition led by Donald McKenzie of the North West Company.[5] However, other historians disagree, and claim that the mountain was named after the Teton Sioux tribe of Native Americans.[6]

Which begs the question, who designated them the "Teton" Sioux? Must've been a French-Canadian in there somewhere!

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 11:23 AM

I meant to say: Thanks, guys. I already know more than I was able to find on my own.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 11:22 AM

Well, Bob, the action starts in Minnesota and heads west...

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 11:11 AM

Minnesota?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 10:22 AM

They were also called "The Shining Mountains" by the fur traders and mountain men.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 10:20 AM

Most mountains are somewhat rocky.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: MarkS
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 09:54 AM

A more fun spin on this thread would be to speculate on the source for the name of the Grand Teton mountains!

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 09:27 AM

The earliest reference to this mountain chain is that of John Knight, governor of York Factory who, in his diary for 1716, states that Indians had told him that very far to the west there were prodigious mountains so high "they cannot see the tops without it be clear weather." The first mention of their present name is to be found in Legardeur St. Pierre's journal for 1752, which refers to the 'Montaignes de Roche.' 'Rocky Mountains' is a translation of the Cree name, 'as-sin-wati.' Seen from the east across the prairies, they appear as a great rocky mass."

PLace Names in Canada, from Maeve's link at http://www.spiralroad.com/sr/pn/r/rocky_mountains.html above.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 02:47 AM

The online repository of all knowledge and wisdom says:

"In 1739, French fur traders Pierre and Paul Mallet, while journeying through the Great Plains, discovered a range of mountains at the headwaters of the Platte River, which local American Indian tribes called the 'Rockies', becoming the first Europeans to report on this uncharted mountain range."

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: maeve
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 02:29 AM

Sorry- that first link should be this: http://www.spiralroad.com/sr/pn/r/rocky_mountains.html

Subject: RE: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: maeve
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 02:18 AM

These resources may offer a start on a verifiable answer, Ebbie. The last three or so deal with the Cree words for other places too; offering some apparent confirmation of the translation-from-Cree explanations. Have fun!

http://www.spiralroad.com/sr/pn/r/rocky_mountains.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=Qvm7AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&dq=%27as-sin-wati.%27&source=bl&ots=pBIfW3Kn65&sig=sW8HLDFnAS_1

http://www.placenamesofalberta.ca/300_names_definitions/dalhousie.html


http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ALBERTA/2003-01/1043779699

Subject: BS: Who Named Rocky Mountains? When?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 01:18 AM

I'm doing research and although I'm finding a lot of information I have not seen an answer to this: Who first labeled the Rocky Mountains? Did they ever have a different name?

The Rockies are a very long mountain range and I know that various segments have regional names. I'm interested mostly in the northern tier, coming from Minnesota heading into Montana and Idaho.

Discuss?

Thanks.