BS: US in Iraq officially ends

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 06:28 PM

Now the Shiites and Sunnis can get back to the business of killing each other, and the Iraqi Kurds can manage their own affairs, and further agitation for a united Kurdistan.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 04:10 PM

Onward and upwards.....anybody for "democracy" in Egypt and Libya?

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 04:09 PM

70 dead, killed by bombs in Iraq today.

Mr Obama said last week "We are leaving with our heads held high, Iraq is now a stable and secure democratic country"

Hallelujah brothers!!
Isn't democracy wonderful?

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 12:48 PM

Bingo! They are leaving about nine years too late as Greg says, after having launched an illegal, unprovoked war of aggression on a small country that was helpless to do anything about the situation.

Their leaving is way overdue, rather like the German exit from occupied France and/or Poland was in 1944.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 09:30 AM

No, they left just about 9 years too late.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 08:04 AM

Watching today's news, looks like they left a little early.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: michaelr
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 12:10 AM

Never mind, gnu has no particular axe to grind, either. He just likes to call people trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: BTNG
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 05:16 PM

think as you will...it's of no matter
and I stand by my quotes from the net.I have no political axe to grind either way, like some here

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: gnu
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 04:55 PM

Big Talk No Go... So, you said something that, to use YOUR words..."though I suppose if it supports your side of an arguement, you'll use it."

Fuck yer a piece work. Ya slag me off but yer golden because ya can hide behind interpretation of yer own bullshit posts? Ya know, when ya post crap, people who read yer crap might think you are fulla crap. I certainly do. You have been nasty to me and to others far too many times. I think you are a troll. And not a very good one.

I am happy about the announcement. Slag it all ya want Big Twit No Guts.

gnightgnu

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 04:49 PM

BTNG, that article is from early last month. Events - primarily the Iraqi refusal to agree to a Status of Forces Agreement - have long since overtaken it.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: BTNG
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 04:43 PM

I didn't say there was 70 thousand, what I actually said was

"numbers across the net vary from 40,000 US troops, to 78,000 US troops, so take your pick"

I merely quote numbers, not took a personal stance one way ot the other

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: gnu
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 04:35 PM

"Currently, about 45,000 US troops are in Iraq."

So, where is your support for your statement of 78k troops? Or your apology for slagging me off? Or are you simple a troll?

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: BTNG
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 04:29 PM

Only a complete idiot would support keeping anyone's troops in Iraq.

Do I believe there will be a complete troop withdrawal..? no I do not.
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The Obama administration is considering a plan to leave about 3,000 support troops behind at the end of the year, if Iraqis agree. But reports suggest that the Pentagon is angling for more.

US military commanders, led by Gen. Lloyd Austin III, the senior commander in Iraq, are proposing that up to 18,000 US troops remain in Iraq after the year-end pull-out date. Currently, about 45,000 US troops are in Iraq.

source: The Christian Science Monitor

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 04:04 PM

comparatively sane Republican Mitt Romney

Compared to WHAT, fer chrissakes?

Meanwhile, Republican candidate Rick Perry says he'd never announce a withdrawal date because it aids the enemy:

His version of the BuShite "if you ain't with us, yer a traitor"(or a terrorist). Big surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Lighter
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 02:37 PM

Get ready to laugh.

Ready?

In 2008, Pres. George W. Bush announced that according to a signed agreement with Baghdad, well publicized by Iraqi media, all U.S. troops should be out Iraq by the end of 2011:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7577730.stm

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2009/07/are_we_done_yet.html


Yesterday, comparatively sane Republican Mitt Romney observed that the current (Democratic) President's announcement of troop withdrawal by the end of 2011 is "an astonishing failure" that plays straight into the hands of Iran:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/mitt-romney-calls-obama-iraq-decision-an-astonishing-failure/2011/10/21/g

Meanwhile, Republican candidate Rick Perry says he'd never announce a withdrawal date because it aids the enemy:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/rick-perry-talks-iraq-and-his-love-affair-with-guns/

I could go on, but you get the picture.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: gnu
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 01:15 PM

BTNG... "though I suppose if it supports your side of an arguement, you'll use it."

You haven't shown any support, Big Talk No Go.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 12:21 AM

Dan, I'm not disagreeing. Bring the kids home, and from Afghanistan too, ASAP. That is a good thing, no doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 09:53 PM

Bring 'em all back. Let the Iraqis and the Afghans contract and pay for training and that sort of thing if they want to.

Good for Obama...get 'em home and don't send any more.

Screw the politics.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: BTNG
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 08:43 PM

As was pointed out on another thread, the accuracy of Wikipedia is sometimes in question, though I suppose if it supports your side of an arguement, you'll use it.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 08:42 PM

Ya see, Greg...

There's this secret pipeline that runs under the Atlantic Ocean and thru the Mediterranean Sea that connect Iraq with Texas and we're piping all our oil over there so we can keep the military-industrialists happy...

What??? You hadn't heard about that???

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: olddude
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 08:40 PM

Mike
less is always better my friend ... I will take it over the 40K we have now ... whatever way get the kids home and do it now that is what I want ... I hate war, I know a lot about war, and I hate it

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: michaelr
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 08:35 PM

It's worth noting that, in the details of the arrangement Obama announced Friday, the United States will maintain an Office of Security Cooperation in Iraq, which will consist of hundreds, if not thousands of American defense personnel.

Whterher "defense personnel" means actual soldiers or civilian contractors is unclear.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 08:06 PM

Clear something up fer me, Bobster: How did our oil get under their sand in the first place?

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 07:33 PM

My only reaction is- It's about time !

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 07:15 PM

Reality is that 5000+ Americans are staying, ol'ster... Many of these people will be ding exactly what soldiers are now doing just costing US one heck of alot more...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: olddude
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 07:00 PM

All I care about is they are coming home ... Like kat says who give a shit about the politics ... I sure don't

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 06:50 PM

That's the way they drew it up on paper, Greg... What do you think these 5000 people will be doing??? Borrowing oil, per chance???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 06:49 PM

I am sure the families of our troops are glad to hear it and will be thankful for every day, between now and then, if they don't lose a loved one, before it is done.

I don't give a shit about the politics of it which you all seem to want to jump on...oh, another thread of that crap? Sorry, olddude & artbrooks, you are the exceptions.

Anyway, it is good news, IMO, and it will be good for our troops to be home.

GoodonyaPresidentObama!

kat

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 06:39 PM

Oh, good- Honest-As-The-Day-Is-Long Blackwater & the rest of the Cheney-buddy "contractors" get to stay - at extroadinarily over-bloated expense to U.S. taxpayers.

Ya had me worried there fer a minute...

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: gnu
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 06:39 PM

I googled... there are presently ~ 40k troops there according to what Wiki says. Where do you guys get 80k?

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 06:31 PM

No military advisers will remain behind. There will reportedly be 150-200 military (all ranks, all branches of service) assigned to the US embassy. There will be a significant number (~5000) of "contractors" who will be doing training, advising and some security duties.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: pdq
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 03:54 PM

...the "s" on my ancient keyboard is "balky", but thank just the ame...

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 03:46 PM

"This shows that Obama will twist anything to his benefit no matter who gets hurt."

Obama, pdq? Hell....

You just described in a nutshell what MOST (make that ALMOST ALL) politicians and presidents do every day of their lives...they twist anything to their benefit, no matter who gets hurt.

So it's not just Obama that is the problem.

He is more of the same, basically just 3 more years of George Bush, masqueradin' as "change" and failin' miserably at it, but he talks way better than Bush did. That man KNOWS how to use a teleprompter! Bush was terrible at it.

Who got hurt? Well, mostly it was millions and millions of ordinary Iraqis...plus a few thousand of the invaders, who never shoulda gone there in the first place.

- Chongo

p.s. I kindly corrected yer 2 careless typos in that above quote, pdq. You can paypal me 25 cents for helpin' out. I make what look like typos too...all the time...but in my case they are deliberate chimp gumshoe "lingo" to portray my lovable character, so it don't count.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: BTNG
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 03:40 PM

numbers across the net vary from 40,000 US troops, to 78,000 US troops, so take your pick...ahhh I see someone let Bozo the clown in

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 03:33 PM

Sorry but as with dead gado, dead sado needed a good biffing.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 03:16 PM

Pure Politics, PeeDee?

You mean, as opposed to Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, et. al. lying the country into this idiotic war in the first place?

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: gnu
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 02:18 PM

Are there are 78,000 US troops in Iraq, pdq?

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: pdq
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 02:12 PM

Pure politics.

Obama needs to shore up his political base and the anti-military types are not happy with him.

Reducing the numbers by half and assuring the Iraqi troublemaker that we could return at will would be a proper announcement.

This show that Obama will twist anything to his benefit not matter who gets hurt.

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: BTNG
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 01:45 PM

memo to President Obama:

whatever........

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: michaelr
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 01:17 PM

How many "advisors" will remain in country?

Subject: RE: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 01:15 PM

Damn right it's good news.

What happens to all the American military bases in Iraq?

- Chongo

Subject: BS: US in Iraq officially ends
From: olddude
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 01:05 PM

President Obama just on the news ... all troops all military US forces will be out of Iraq by December .. 39,000 home ... US involvement ends. That is very good news ... Security for their own country is turned over to Iraq