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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 31 Mar 16 - 09:04 AM It IS really simple Greg.....just keep thinking on the rays of the sun and the "Beast of muddy Brain" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Greg F. Date: 31 Mar 16 - 08:56 AM If only life were as |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 31 Mar 16 - 08:32 AM and who's fault is that Greg......the choice is yours. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Greg F. Date: 31 Mar 16 - 08:16 AM Unfortunately for the U.S. and the rest of the world, he's going to be the new Eugene McCarthy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Padre Date: 30 Mar 16 - 07:56 PM Rather than being the new FDR, Bernie Sanders is the new Henry Wallace. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Donuel Date: 30 Mar 16 - 04:44 PM The left has taken a beating. People hoped Barak could start a Revolution but he told us we have to do it. Money has been busting unions and legislating from the bench to make money the most powerful form of speech. The left has been crippled by private money to elect back bench congressmen with the 1% riches of industry libertarians with a racist base. The Supreme Court citizens United case makes it legal to bribe and buy Congressional seats with money that may not even come from the USA. The office of President may not b insulated from foreign money now. Why should US presidents be a puppet to Wall St. ? FDR wasn't. Trans National corporations like Coke have been fooled by right wing money to do the bidding of the NRA and anti voting rights lobbies. The left has been reactive to these assaults on Democracy. By an embarrassment of riches and success of the Republican party, the chickens have come home to roost in the form of water quality, unlivable wages and war fatigue. The left gets it now. Bernie gets average donations of 27 dollars each amounting to around 4 million dollars after each primary win. The right has been trying to undo FDR's New Deal for 80 years. Think tanks to find r create loopholes in a Democracy has undone much of the left until they wised up. The left needs another new deal now; of the people, by the people and for the people and not billionaires alone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 30 Mar 16 - 11:22 AM Suppose the point I am making is, "where are the social democrats"? what has happened to the "left"......has it really all boiled down to the least worst option, when there is a genuine reformer offering his candidature? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 30 Mar 16 - 11:14 AM If I were American Don, I would certainly be voting for Mr Sanders. "SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: The truth is, it is relatively easy for a powerful nation like America to overthrow a dictator, but it is very hard to predict the unintended consequences and the turmoil and the instability that follows after you overthrow that dictator. So, I think Secretary Clinton and I have a fundamental disagreement: I'm not quite the fan of regime change that I believe she is." I rest my case, the choice is between Mr Sanders and Mrs Clinton. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Donuel Date: 30 Mar 16 - 10:37 AM Nope No one over 30 is so naïve as to not see and hear the hateful , even murderous smears against Hillary Clinton since 91. The vast right wing conspiracy today is known by everyone. Comon Bernie. We are behind you, except for the people who want their country back from blacks jews Catholics, you know, the hated trinity of the KKK. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 30 Mar 16 - 03:21 AM Interesting article on the subject from Democracy Now! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Greg F. Date: 29 Mar 16 - 04:35 PM If you need help believing in the stupidity of the electorate, Joe, read the comments on this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/us/politics/trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Mar 16 - 02:45 PM Well, even though the Republican Establishment doesn't seem to want Cruz or Trump, they've done their best to smear Hillary since 1992. I think that Sanders gets some support because of his own admirable traits, but I think a number of Sanders supporters at least halfway believe the smears the Republicans have concocted against Hillary all these years. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Greg F. Date: 29 Mar 16 - 10:18 AM I can't believe that our electorate would be stupid enough to elect either Trump or Cruz Believe it, Joe, believe it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Mar 16 - 11:25 PM I am frightened by both Cruz and Trump. George W. was a nightmare, but Cruz or Trump would be ten times worse. I can't believe that our electorate would be stupid enough to elect either Trump or Cruz, but one never knows. And have you read how the Republicans have had efforts nationwide to tilt the elections by making it harder for people to vote? Phoenix, Arizona, the only Democratic stronghold in the state, went from 200 polling places to 60. People were lined up to vote until past midnight. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Donuel Date: 28 Mar 16 - 11:07 PM I agree word for word with virtually everything Joe said, except I'm for Bernie. a rose by any other name...socialist or not Bernie the new FDR is what appears above and below my license plate |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 28 Mar 16 - 08:53 AM The problem with "electability" Steve is that nothing is ever changed, nothing accomplished, just a steady erosion of the vision which was presented to the people by socialists after WW2. It was not because the vision was flawed, but rather that we wanted "it all", personal financial aspiration AND wonderful public services, which nobody wants to contribute to and everybody wants to abuse. " THE PEOPLE is a beast of muddy brain That knows not its own strength, and therefore stands Loaded with wood and stone; the powerless hands Of a mere child guide it with bit and rein; One kick would be enough to break the chain, 5 But the beast fears, and what the child demands It does; nor its own terror understands, Confused and stupefied by bugbears vain. Most wonderful! With its own hand it ties And gags itself—gives itself death and war 10 For pence doled out by kings from its own store. Its own are all things between earth and heaven; But this it knows not; and if one arise To tell this truth, it kills him unforgiven. The guy who wrote that died in 1693......and we discuss evolution? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Mar 16 - 08:21 AM Unfortunately, I have the feeling that if Sanders gets the nomination, Trump will beat him. Stay real! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Dave the Gnome Date: 28 Mar 16 - 07:03 AM Ake doesn't understand any politics, Acme, because he does not understand people. He believes in removing basic human rights and thinks that anyone aspiring to climb out of anything but manual labour and all but a meagre existence is the epitome of selfishness. He has no concept of responsible capitalism and measures everyone else by his own petty standards. To say he is spouting nonsense is unnecessary. We all know that anything he posts is thus. There is no point arguing the issues with him as nothing will undo the type of mindset that has been refined in a careful avoidance of anyone else's views for many years. Far better to ignore him, point out it is nonsense or just laugh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 28 Mar 16 - 04:53 AM Sorry....cut off in my prime! In the UK we have a leader of the opposition who is very much like Mr Sanders, given time he will change the face of British politics, but at the moment he has no chance of government. His purpose is to educate and explain socialism to an electorate which has no understanding of any system but financial aspiration. We could have elected a "professional" politician who would have brushed up shiny and clean with nice white teeth and a load of pie in the sky to sell....and we would be in power at the next election, but our nice shiny professionals don't want change, they want more of what made them powerful and rich.....like their god Mr Blair, of whom of course Mrs Clinton is the American equivalent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 28 Mar 16 - 04:41 AM As I said to Don Joe, the choice is not between Clinton and Trump, it is between Sanders and Clinton. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Mar 16 - 04:17 AM I think that Hillary Clinton is a very intelligent and capable person, and I think she has an honest concern for America's best interests. I suppose Bernie is closer to my ideals, but I don't think he has what it takes to accomplish his ideals. I want to see what Hillary can do, and I think she can do a lot. But Ake, I hope you don't seriously believe that Trump or Cruz would be good Presidents of the U.S. Both are too close to the lunatic fringe. Either Clinton or Sanders would be acceptable to me. John Kasich would be, too. I don't mind a variety of candidates, but I'm afraid of the Trump/Cruz lunatic fringe. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 28 Mar 16 - 03:38 AM " powerful and practical politician" = Social and economic change? Not in my book Joe, though I do agree with your assessment of President Obama. I've seen too many powerful and practical politicians in my time, not to understand what motivates most of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Mar 16 - 02:59 AM Donuel says
In some ways, I'm glad that he got some kind of healthcare plan passed, but the plan does somersaults trying to appease the insurance companies. What we really need is a single-payer plan, like Medicare for all or a national version of the very good Federal Employee Health Plan that I have. I also have to say that Obama's failure to enact credible immigration legislation during his first two years, was a devastating disappointment to me. But on the other hand, Obama seems to be a good man, a man of integrity. I think he's largely responsible from our recovery from the Great Recession. I think he's also done more for criminal justice reform than people give him credit for. And I think he makes a lot of sense. When he speaks, it makes me think - of the presidents in my lifetime, I think he's the best public speaker. I suppose that history may well consider Barack Obama, like Jimmy Carter, to have been a failure as President. But I still admire both men immensely. I want a moderate, somebody who will take the concerns of all into consideration. And I guess I have to admit that I think that Bernie Sanders is that kind of person - despite his self-description as a Democratic Socialist. Still, I think that Hillary Clinton is a more powerful and practical politician, so I'm supporting her. -Joe, conflicted- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Donuel Date: 27 Mar 16 - 05:34 PM Ake, I take it you are British. If Trump is elected you won't regret it today or tomorrow but soon and for the rest of your life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 27 Mar 16 - 04:29 PM "emanate" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 27 Mar 16 - 03:39 PM Well, I don't know a lot regarding the intricacies of the US electoral system, but I have spent a very long time scrutinising US Foreign Policy and I know Mrs Clinton is bad news. What makes you think I am uninformed? A lot of US Democrats seem to share my views from what I have read....it seems that a lot of Mrs Clintons support comes from people who simply think she has a better chance of beating Mr Trump in a straight fight. I think the opposite is the case and that a centre left candidate without any establishment baggage could unite various different groupings. Acme, your gripes seem to eminate from a belief that I think women are inferior politicians...or even people. That is insulting and untrue.....Not arguing, just giving my view as someone who is likely to be affected by US Foreign Policy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Greg F. Date: 27 Mar 16 - 02:03 PM The reason President Obama has no legacy is that he made the mistake of inviting the Clintons on board. Yeah, Acme, and its the SAME OLD nonsense. Still bor45ing, still nonsensical, still annoying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Mar 16 - 01:33 PM Ake, you're still spouting nonsense. I don't pretend to understand the politics of the UK, you should stop pretending like you have your finger on the pulse of what Americans see in Hillary. You repeat the same old dogma, without bothering to read any of the information that people have carefully posted citing the witchhunt that has been aimed at her for years. I'm saying this, and also noting that I'm not going to argue with you about it, because you are apparently incapable of weighing the facts before you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: michaelr Date: 27 Mar 16 - 01:14 PM 34 Senate seats and all 435 House seats are up for election this November. If the American voters wake up and kick out the do-nothing bums presently occupying them, Bernie Sanders has a good chance of implementing his proposals, once elected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Donuel Date: 27 Mar 16 - 01:07 PM read more arefully Barak was at times a right leaning candidate like BILL Clinton |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Jeri Date: 27 Mar 16 - 01:07 PM Big changes don't happen fast... unless a majority of people want them. Obama hasn't seemed to have made huge changes, because Congress has blocked everything he's tried, so if something changed, they've done everything the could to not give HIM the win. I don't know if Bernie will be any more successful. I think he would if Congress started doing their job. I think Congress might start doing their job if we got rid of the dead weight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: akenaton Date: 27 Mar 16 - 12:55 PM Bernie is an alternative to Mrs Clinton Don, not the Republicans. Mrs Clinton is the real "fear" candidate. The reason President Obama has no legacy is that he made the mistake of inviting the Clintons on board. Before long they were steering the ship onto the rocks. He was a weak President who just could not muster the courage to kick them over the side......What a waste, but given Mr Obama's political history, no surprise. |
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Subject: BS: Bernie the NEW FDR From: Donuel Date: 27 Mar 16 - 12:21 PM John Stewart asked candidate Obama "once you are President, How will you break our hearts?" I believe Obama broke our hearts by being a no boat tipping moderate and defender of the status quo, when what could have saved the main street economy by being an FDR figure instead of another Clinton. I believe Bernie has he willingness to decisively curb banking and Wall St. greed. The status quo today is to make all children, except the wealthy, to line up and go down an escalator of life long debt in order to join an educated society. Bernie has an alternative that will save the most vulnerable of us, the youth, and make a society with a stronger base of education. Jobs and environmental medicine is what we need. The republican alternative is fear. I think more people want love. yours truly Hippie for life. |
