Pearl Harbor day passes quietly

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor day passes quietly
From: paddymac
Date: 09 Dec 99 - 10:09 AM

I mentioned this on the "today in Irish history" thread, but it is more appropos to this thread. A "must read" for students of governmental chicanery is the newly published "Day Of Deceit" by Robert Stinnett. It deals with "who knew what when" with specific regard to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Read it and make your own judgments. I am finding it to be a well-researched, well-presented and persuasive work. Not a fun read, but a necessary read.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor day passes quietly
From: Allan C.
Date: 08 Dec 99 - 04:11 PM

Thank you, Wesley S.! I was just now trying to write a post to say what you said in your last three sentences. But mine kept coming out all wrong. I have the deepest respect for all war veterans. As I mentioned in the Dec. 7 thread, my parents were both at Pearl. But for reasons I really don't altogether understand, Vietnam vets will always have a very special place in my heart.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor day passes quietly
From: JedMarum
Date: 08 Dec 99 - 03:53 PM

We have different remeberences in the US for days such as these. Memorial day is probably the best organized; we rememeber all those who gave their in service of their country's military. I like the Armistice Day traditions you speak of, but we do not have a similar one in the US; I think it would be considered too close to prayer, and therefore offensive. Moments of silence in public places are typically challenged in the US as violations of the separation of church and state.

Pearl Harbor day, for me is one that sticks out inmy mind. I cannot understand why it has so little significance to us, since it had such an impact on our world. We suffered huge losses, in particular; human - but we lost nearly our entire Pacific navy, as well. We simply misunderstood the importance of our strength, and the capacity of our enemy (now, thankfully,former enemy). For our lack of vigilance we paid a very high price in deed, and were very lucky it didn't cost us more.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor day passes quietly
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 Dec 99 - 03:46 PM

Dan - I find it interesting that my uncles that took part in WW2 are just now starting to talk about the experiences that they had. My uncle Jim was a MASH- type Dr at the D-day invasion and was one of the first medical personnel to arrive at Buchenwald { I doubt that I've spelled that correctly}. The stories he can tell would keep you awake at night. My hat is off to all of the vets. I'm thankful that I didn't have to go through that. Lets pray that our children and grandchildren don't have to either.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor day passes quietly
From: Litle Dorrit
Date: 08 Dec 99 - 03:22 PM

This is a very poignant thread. I do believe we should remember but also learn to forgive. Ihave often wondered how these occassions are remembered in different countries. In the UK, on the 11th November (Armistice Day) we hold two minutes silence (on the 11th hour of the eleventh daly of the eleventh month), to remember the glorious dead of two world wars. The British Legion sell red paper poppies to wear as a token of rememberance- does this happen elsewhere and if so, do you feel the tradition will continue as strongly into the next millenium.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor day passes quietly
From: Mike Billo
Date: 08 Dec 99 - 12:59 PM

My mother was at Pearl Harbor. Her husband was killed and she carried a piece of shrapnel in her hip for the rest of her life. I will never forget or forgive.

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor day passes quietly
From: JedMarum
Date: 08 Dec 99 - 11:38 AM

strange silence ...

Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor day passes quietly
From: Escamillo
Date: 08 Dec 99 - 02:49 AM

Our thoughts are with all those people, Liam. NEVER AGAIN. Un abrazo - Andrés

Subject: Pearl Harbor day passes quietly
From: JedMarum
Date: 07 Dec 99 - 11:01 PM

a little more then half a century ago, on this day
the world was changed forever

it passes quietly today
though I know there are many who are mindful of the anniversary
and if their remembrances are spoken aloud
those thoughts do not reach my ears

I know what impact those events had on my life
the ripples they caused may have passed us
but they roll on still across the waters of time