To DUH? or Not to DUH?

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 01:33 PM

I'm still wondering what DUH means...

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 10:05 AM

SINSULL, I thought the "pigacorns" were the ones that didn't fly and had those big horns on top of their heads, and only came to maidens who had never been...never eaten um, bacon. Were you thinking of pigasuses...pigasi...them other things?

Jon, I was trying to hint around that now would be a good time. If I were truly a flying pig, I could have a lot of fun with people. "Oh yeah, well I'll admit I was wrong when..." (flap, oink) "...uh-oh..."

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 09:28 AM

Well, last night in MR chat Bill accused me of reading threads 22 hours a day and I took some offense as I rarely go past 20. But somehow, although I checked this one early on, I never came back to it. NOW I see why we were missing a few folks that generally inhabit that particular snakepit. I still have no feelings one qay or another on the original subject or even on the creep topics that have come up, but I do expect to see the Bobsey twins back next week.....right?

Sorry I left so abruptly last nite, but my phone line shut down and by the time I restarted everything it was time for the nightly "Kids-Bed,Karen-Work" routine. See you next week Jon ad Jeri??? Fockin' A Right I better.

Spaw

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 09:16 AM

They are called Pigacorns and are quite lovely Jon.

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Pseudolus
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 09:11 AM

If anyone wants to record me it's gonna cost ya, like uhhh, a beer, uh, Ok, maybe not a beer, uh, maybe we'll have to share a beer, uh, no, that's not it, but if I buy ya a beer will ya let me hear what you recorded???

I haven't gotten around to getting set up to hear HearMe but I think having a seperate RecordMe session would be a hoot, if only I was set up, ya know, to hear, or record, or to sing, or drink a beer....or.......

Frank

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 09:10 AM

Jeri, you realise that you have just admitted to being a flying pig?

Jon

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 08:55 AM

Flap, flap, oink...
I can do it with one sound card. Nyah, nyah.

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 10:19 PM

LOL Ivan! I only have 2 as it was cheaper to add a second to get a mic input than to get another that took or had a reasonable Midi synth. All I have is one SB AWE 32 (with Yamaha daugther board attached) and one SB 16 basic or value or what ever daft name their give their cheapest version now.

It took me a while to overcome the resource conflicts that good old Windows Plug and Play could not solve but they seem to get on together most of the time. The only problem I have is I have to switch playback and recording devices to do some things. I keep saying that I will write myself a neat little mixer program to cater for my setup but I reckon pigs will fly before I get round to doing it.

Jon

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: IvanB
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 10:02 PM

Jon, when I tried two soundcards they argued horribly. Of course they were both high-end cards. I think they were prima donnas.

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 09:53 PM

I can do Hearme to RealProducer Ivan but I have to jiggle with the 2 soundcards in my PC to achieve that one.

Jon

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: IvanB
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 09:45 PM

I have RealProducer, but I've never been able to figure out how to make it record the input from Hearme. It seems to want a file, CD, line-in or mic-in. I did find a recorder just today that will do the job, but I face the same dilemma Praise does - what is the ethical way to let someone know you'd like to record them? Frankly, I feel even appending 'Taping' to my hearme name might put off some shy individuals who wouldn't want to be taped but also wouldn't say so. I'd feel extremely guilty if I was the cause of us all missing someone's contribution because of that.

That said, it seems we hear music every night on Hearme that begs to be in the DT but won't make it because the performer doesn't have the technology or know-how available to make it happen. I can understand if someone does a personal composition and prefers it not be posted, but I figure those are in the minority.

Perhaps rabbitrunning had the best suggestion - a separate room where anyone could go and record their contribution to the Mudcat 'field' recordings. Hmmm. Maybe I'll look into that a little further.

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From:
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 09:38 PM

As a real newbie on the forum it's with some reservations that I get into an area where there are clear and opposing points of view
I was present at an informal session with Sonny Terry and Bownie McGee very many years ago when Brownie was asked if he minded a recorder being plugged in. He beamed and answered along the lines of "what you give to friend is not lost"

Not entirely to the point of this dicussion, but the sentiment that the songs were for sharing surely is

I have just recalled too that my elder daughter, being long gone from home, and town as well, was visiting a new friend in a distant city when she was astounded to hear her dad singing on the friends tape recorder. I certainly hadn't been aware of a taperecorder in the audience that evening long ago (this was a long time before walkmen) but I was tickled that someone should have kept a valueless recording of moi for so long
If anyone else should wish to record me for words or tunes I am humbled by their attention

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 09:01 PM

Sounds like Max is going to scrap the chat archive. (THANK YOU!) Anyway, now that THAT'S out of my system...

If you have RealProducer, you can record just about anything - CD tracks, other RealAudio files, or just about any sound file. You can download it from the same place you get RealAudio player. There's just a bunch of stuff you have to figure out to record a file, but it's mostly pretty easy.

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:58 PM

What's DUH mean?

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:54 PM

Max, I was going to make a different post but just heard your last comment on the radio - thanks Max for letting us be relaxed and "stupid shits".

Jon

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:47 PM

I do see Jeri's point...and Max just promised to re-consider the idea...it will be discussed

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Amos
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:43 PM

Maybe we need to tighten our courage to the speaking point. Were you all planning on saying things you wouldn't want Mom to hear or something?

As a mac user waiting for HearMe technology to come within shooting range of my dualprocessor G4, I really don't have a dog in this fight, as the saying goes. But I think we could get a tad over-fragile about it. Why let a feature chill your enthusiasm?

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:40 PM

Ivan, no mention has been made of this besides what's in this thread, as far as I know. I just figured it was a personal thing with me, but I wonder if other people are aware of it. It's just that Praise was talking about recording, and I'm currently sensitive to that sort of thing. I should probably quit hi-jacking her thread (sorry, Praise) and just shut up and let folks talk about grabbing tunes from HearMe.

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:37 PM

I am about to

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: IvanB
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:31 PM

Interesting. Has anyone mentioned to Max that this latest 'improvement' may be having a chilling effect on our banter?

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:25 PM

I'm missing being there too but I enjoyed an open chat during MCR, the knowledge that everything I say will be made public has killed it for me.

Jon

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:22 PM

Harpgirl, only the FolkChats from the Active List that's open during the show.

Shame. I'm really going to miss being there.

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: bigchuck
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:15 PM

I'll echo Dave here. If anyone is foolish enough to want to record me, go to it.
Sandy

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: harpgirl
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 07:38 PM

...what's this about ICQ archives being made public?????Does this mean my private chats will be in the public domain???? Oh well, Mbo might learn something...actually he could learn a lot!!!!!

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 06:02 PM

gee...it seems so simple!..If two people can get into HearMe, they can also get into a PRIVATE HearMe later, if one wants a song, and the other agrees to it being recorded!...It is interesting that, with all the technology now available..(internet, digital cameras-still & video, etc., that some people thing that everything that CAN be taped & photographed SHOULD be!

(I recently attended my son's HS graduation, and took a few pictures....that is I did when I could find a space between the folks with video cameras who thought that they had a *RIGHT* to stand in front of me and record every moment of the proceedings!)

Folks, lets just sing most of the time...those who wish can set up a time for "trading & recording"

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 06:02 PM

Either in the regular HearMe sessions or in the concert I'll be doing October 15th, if anyone is so flattering as to want to record my playing and singing, I say "Go to it, with my enthusiastic blessing!"

Indeed, I've posted lyrics to several songs for the DT to which I have no way of submitting the tunes. I'll be singing several of those songs on October 15, and if someone wants to record and render the tune(s) for the DT I'd very much appreciate it.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 05:45 PM

Actually, there are times when I've thought something very similar to Susan's thought. Especially when I'm wanting to explain a tune variation, because I'm a musical moron when it comes to figuring out ABC notation and MIDI's. It's much easier for me to just SING the darn song. So maybe what we need is not a "hearme" recording since that would frighten off participants, but another place where people who WANT to be recorded can link to make a "field recording" and annotate it. And then you could hotlink from the DT or thread to the recording. Not to be used an excuse for not writing down lyrics, however!

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 05:38 PM

I don't have any problems with people who want to record a song to learn it, or to just learn the tune, as long as I know it's being done. (So I can properly mess up, which I regularly do when being recorded.)

It's the publication I don't think is right - as in archiving and sticking stuff on a website without permission or knowledge of the participants. I prefer to make a fool of myself with as small a number of witnesses, and as temporarily as possible!

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 04:46 PM

Yuh, Jeri and Jon, I feel that way too, but gee! Isn't there something weird about not catching the tunes?

My solution is to use a handheld real cheap bad sound quality recorder to catch tune samples off HearMe, but then I say I am doing it, unless of course I have just said it in the chat and then the next one bops in and doesn't know I said it.... so I really should list myself as Praise Micless and Taping. So people could tell me to shut it off. But J & J, much as I would love hearing you on tape, it isn't the singer or picker I would want to catch, personally-- I'd rather buy a tape you made with good sound quality. (That would not be enough to ease my own nervousness, so I don't imagine it would yours either.)

But the tunes... those I prize, especially if it's a song in DT with words only and no tune.

I am not volunteering por propsing this idea, BTW-- just raiisng the topic for discussion.

~S~

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 04:45 PM

Would it be possible to only record those who wish to be recorded, and turn the recorder mechanism off when those who do not wish to be recorded are at the mic?

I can't participate now, because my home computer is on the fritz, but if I could, it wouldn't bother me at all to be recorded. But I understand that others feel differently, and that must be respected -- it would be a shame to lose some people who do NOT wish to be recorded just because others do. We should be able to respect everyone's wishes. Am I right? Am I right?

Alex
O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Morticia
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 04:44 PM

Would it be possible to schedule recorded sessions...that way people could opt in or not as they choose.Personally it wouldn't bother me and I'd love to hear people who get to hearme after I've gone to bed.....

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 04:36 PM

I am with Jeri on this and believe that it is wrong to record people without thier knowledge in the ICQ and Hearme Events.

Personally I enjoyed the MCR chats and was dissapionted to learn that the archives which ICQ automatically makes are being made public and it is enough to put me off joining in with future chats.

As for Hearme, I feel that recording is going against the spirit of the event and should not take place without the permission of the performer(s) and like Jeri, if that was to become standard practice, I would not be there.

Jon

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 04:20 PM

Personally, it's a temporary, live thing. Like FolkChat during the radio show. I doubt you will see me in there again. Nothing works quite as well getting me to be silent than to know every word I say will be available to anyone in the world with an internet connection. Sorry - bye-bye.

If someone wants to record HearMe, it's fine as long as everyone there knows they're being recorded. I won't be there, but I'm sure others will.

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: radriano
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 04:15 PM

Do you have to be a Valley Girl to respond to this?


Duh....oh, yeah - Radriano

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 04:03 PM

Ummm...like, bummer, eh? Somethin' oughta, like, be done, eh?

Subject: RE: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: Bert
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 04:02 PM

Great idea Praise me darlin'. You've got yourself a job. Go for it.

Subject: To DUH? or Not to DUH?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 03:47 PM

So I was wondering suddenly, how come--

with all the Mudcatters who love song research--

and who respect the work done by certain folksong collectors to make and document field recordings--

how come--

how come--

How come there isn't already an automatic electronic recording system making HearMe into a field recording system of what we are doing now?

Thus, I ask, To DUH?

Or am I missing some key fact that would make that a really dumb thing to be wondering?

And thus, I ask, Or Not to DUH?

~Susan