BS: When are you damned?

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Sam L
Date: 29 Jan 04 - 09:38 AM

Martin Gibson, things are funny, you among them. wine. I'm glad you're around, guy.

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 10:59 PM

Aw, Jeri, I like your attitude!

A

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 10:35 PM

Once upon a time, I worked for a living. Had a real job. Had a real boss. He just loved to stick people in those "damned if you do - damned if you don't" situations so he could second guess everyone's decisions regardless of the outcome. Nothing but a power trip.

But it's okay. I got the last laugh. I'm still alive and that sumbitch is dead.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 09:44 PM

It's life. Life is conflict.
If you don't make decisions and people don't expect you to, you usually don't get into trouble. If you DO make decisions, you ALWAYS get into trouble with someone, but the people we respect are the ones who are willing to stick their necks out and make them.

So "damned if you do; damned if you don't" is more like "who are you gonna piss off today?" "No good deed goes unpunished" is closely related.

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 09:28 PM

Man, how about some cheese with all of this wine?

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 08:43 PM

OTOH... standing in line at the loco Safeway...star rag Celebrities wading through quarelsome calamities... makes me wonder... Aren't 'Damn good' and 'Damned' often part of the same Roller Coaster Ride? ttr

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 08:42 PM

And, shit always runs downhill....guess who's on the bottom?

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Sam L
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 08:16 PM

Thanks John, I was shooting for a "nice rant". Been practicing.    Fred

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 07:44 PM

Nice rant, Fred.

I often wonder if anyone anymore asks themselves if they are even being realistic in their demands of their opponent (politically speaking). What I mean, I guess, is...

...if the question that you were asking (a political opponent) were satisfactorily answered in a manner that disproved your supposition, would you change your position? Or are you just picking?

My guess is that there is little in the world that could make most people believe in, or be comfortable with a politician that their side has taught them to hate.

And as to the cosmetics of campaigning.......holy crap. I'm with you. Reason informed me that when Dean was "worked up" it wasn't an out of control thing -- nothing to make an issue.

And the silly things politicians do in the name of public perception -- my personal favorite to hate is the common practice now for prez candidates to walk around beyond their podiums and schmooze with the audience as they give their answers. There's only ever been one guy who could pull that off and look natural doing it (Clinton) and yet he set a precedent for all the awkward candidates that followed.

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 07:29 PM

And damned if you don't!! Knowing is tricky that way, huh? LOL!!

The actual answer is this: damnation initializes at the point when the being begins believing that resistance is necessary. But it is interrupt-driven and a lengthy process which is never totally irreversible.

A

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 07:01 PM

"When are you damned?"    Damned if I know.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 05:29 PM

You got me confused with your kid brother, Cluin.

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 05:21 PM

Ought to run for office, I say. Probably already got the poop-slinging thing down pat.

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 11:26 AM

Pretty smart for a Chimp.

A

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 11:23 AM

As for this political primary and election stuff, it's a farce. A big game. A bad joke. A chimp could do a better job than these bozos you routinely elect, and I say that without a trace of irony. I ignore it and concentrate on makin' somethin' out of my own life instead, because my own life is within my grasp. You ain't got democracy, baby, you got a giant soap opera for the befuddlement and enslavement of the masses.

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 10:53 AM

You're basically damned when the river stops flowing, buddy. By the river, I mean...the juice of life, the inspiration, the zest, the drive to create and achieve, whatever it is that makes your life meaningful. That's why the word "damn" sounds exactly like the word "dam". Stagnant water ain't good to drink.

You wanna get un-damned? Clear the freakin' logjam.

Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: When are you damned?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 10:51 AM

couldn't have said it better myself...I could explain it in detail, but your last line is more succinct.

Subject: BS: When are you damned?
From: Sam L
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 10:44 AM

I was just wondering, if you are "damned if you do and damned if you don't," is there a point at which you contract this exposition to simply "damned?"

At the portal to hell where I work, one woman was berated for not doing something which didn't matter anyway, the next year a guy in the same job was berated for doing what the woman had failed to do the year before. Neither action nor inaction has any consequence, but our employer always gets this way upon returning from an annual trip. I pointed out that we have no set policy on the pointless matter, and that we simply needed to spell out what we want done about this nothing issue. For a week we pretended to have an absurd policy, and this year the woman in that job was fired after the annual trip. I suspect she may have messed up the non-existant issue one way or the other.

Howard Dean was supposed to take a chill pill. But Dukakis was supposed to go Oprah about the death penalty if Kitty Dukakis was raped and murdered.

Who makes up these pre-fab non-issue "perceptions," these court-ordered ways-you-have-to-be, and why does anyone swallow them? A very bright friend of mine couldn't get loose of the Dukakis thing--"well, then he should've been just so appalled by the question, he should've reacted more!" No, it's not an appalling question, it goes straight to the issue. But it was also a good straight answer--he seemed unsurprised, not caught off guard, but as if he'd thought about what it meant to people, already, and he held his position, which happens to be the sane one. I believe that incident may illustrate my political ideal.
   No, the point of the question was to try to rattle him, and it didn't work, so he was somehow wrong anyway, because that was the idea anyway.

   I'm not sure where this stuff comes from, but I know it smells exactly like junior high school social politics, the odor that arises from unformed minds gathering together. When the butt-heads decide to bait a picked-on kid, even if he doesn't fall for it it's still played off as an error, one way or another. And kids who are sheep eat it up.

   People are messed up. Damned.