Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Jul 06 - 12:12 PM My Dad favored a particular potter (Sam Scott) in the Seattle area and over the years gave us pieces--bowls, cups, mugs, colanders, plates, and big artistic vase-like-things. He'd given them to friends and neighbors also, and when he died I found several shelves in his store room with an array of beautiful pieces. As each neighbor and friend came by to offer condolences I asked them to pick out a piece that matched what they already had to serve as a memento. There was still a lot left over, and it is a gorgeous addition to my home. Someone suggested I should sell the pots back to the potter. In fact I ended up calling him, but not to offer back his pots but just to tell him how special his work had been to Dad and his friends. He was touched to learn that. SRS |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Alaska Mike Date: 17 Jul 06 - 08:34 AM Without Pottery, how would Dumbledore keep Hogwarts running with "he who shall not be named" trying to take over everything. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Alba Date: 16 Jul 06 - 10:22 PM ROFLMAO Dean Excellent. I now have this image in my head of those glazed children on display for a couple of days in the front window of your art association gallery! Freaky. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Peace Date: 16 Jul 06 - 10:13 PM Good one, Dean. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: frogprince Date: 16 Jul 06 - 10:11 PM The glazes on some of the children were really beautiful, though... |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Alba Date: 16 Jul 06 - 09:14 PM "I would have gone to the event, but had a conflict." Was the conflict between you and the teacher that fired those poor children FP?...* smile * Seriously, that sounds like a really neat and creative idea for a fund raiser! Jude |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: frogprince Date: 16 Jul 06 - 09:08 PM I was afraid I set myself up for that...: ) |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Peace Date: 16 Jul 06 - 08:58 PM "The grade school kids made bowls, and the teachers got them fired." Just for making bowls? That sounds harsh! Poor little kids outta work now. Shame. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: frogprince Date: 16 Jul 06 - 08:53 PM A local school here held a variation on a soup supper as a fund raiser. The grade school kids made bowls, and the teachers got them fired. Those who attended the event got to choose a bowl, have their soup served in it, and keep the bowl. The bowls were on display for a couple of days in the front window of our art association gallery. I would have gone to the event, but had a conflict. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Peace Date: 16 Jul 06 - 06:25 PM A history of pottery. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: bbc Date: 16 Jul 06 - 06:22 PM I love pottery. It's art. bbc |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: IvanB Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:53 PM Look now to the potter whose wheel is spinning round, Shaping with her hands the past and future from the ground, Cups that will be filled and drunk so warm in wintertime, Plates and bowls for dinners served by candlelight with wine. And she believes, she believes; By her work it's so easy to see That the future is more than the following day, It's fashioned securely in the clay. from "Fashioned in the Clay" by Elmer Beal Although our set of china is old and the pattern practically worn off many of the pieces, we'd rather eat from it rather than melmac any day of the week. And, although we don't necessarily pick pottery as our souvenir on every trip, we have a significan number of pieces that conjure up happy memories for us. Some years back, our local food bank had a fundraiser at which, for our monetary donation, we could choose from bowls made by various local celebrities and have it filled with soup accompanied by a thick slice of crusty homemade bread. Only a mother could love some of the bowls that were available, but we were able to find two that we liked quite well, and we still get a good feeling about the fact that we were able to help put soup in someone else's bowl through our purchase. So, potters, keep up the good work. I'd hate to see the day that there was no market for your wares. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: GUEST,harpgirl Date: 15 Jul 06 - 05:55 PM Gee, Meebs....your taste in music continues to expand exponentially!! Oh and BWL...I broke a mug and I need another! My bowles...bowels....er ah how do you spell that????....are just fine. Filled with figs from the trees at the moment. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Don Firth Date: 15 Jul 06 - 01:45 PM Wow! Gotta include that in my next program. . . . Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: John Hardly Date: 15 Jul 06 - 01:28 PM Well now, isn't that special? |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Matt_R Date: 15 Jul 06 - 03:04 AM Anal Cunt had a great song about pottery, called "Pottery's Gay". Went like this: Pottery's gay, pottery's gay Pottery's gay, pottery's gay Pottery's gay, pottery's gay Pottery's gay, pottery's gay You couldn't afford college You took a night class You made a clay dildo And shoved it up your ass |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Don Firth Date: 14 Jul 06 - 10:49 PM I'm not into pottery myself, other than as an appreciator of other's work. My wife gave it a shot once, had a certain talent for it, and would still like to do something with it, but in our apartment, we don't have room for a proper set-up. She's bought a few really nice pieces from potters in this area, though. How much does a Grecian urn? A potful? (Sorry, but someone had to do it. . . .) Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: leeneia Date: 14 Jul 06 - 10:28 PM Peace, you are so funny! |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Tootler Date: 14 Jul 06 - 07:23 PM Polly put the kettle on Polly put the kettle on Polly put the kettle on, We'll all have tea Sukie take it off again Sukie take it off again Sukie take it off again They've all gone away Children's nursery rhyme Of course the tea would have been served in porcelain cups |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Bunnahabhain Date: 14 Jul 06 - 06:50 PM It is much the same with anything artistic you create. The challenge of setting up a photograph in your mind, and waiting until the sun goes behind the cloud, or the subject is at just the right point before taking the shot. you know It should have worked, but how did the vision translate? Is it right, or are there adjustments to be made? Once you have something to work from, the black arts of Photoshop, which resemble those of the darkroom but don't stain, they are your tool, to shape the vision. The thrill of producing an image you are truely happy with, out of dozens of exposures, that's something special. Those are normally the images that makes someone else go Wow. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Peace Date: 14 Jul 06 - 06:42 PM hink we need pottery because of lotsa reasons: 1) It's easier to remember certain things when they rhyme: abcdefG,hijklmnoP or I before E except after C 2) Many poems appeal to the aesthetic sense we have 3) Songs usually do well with rhymes So, in conclusion, they are just SOME of the reasons I think we need pottery. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: John Hardly Date: 14 Jul 06 - 06:30 PM Clay Chooses You It's that wire that no one sees but draws us to the magician's hand. It's the true north that mysteriously keeps our needle pointing one way. One day we saw something-out-of-nothing spin into existence beneath a practiced hand. What we once thought solid as concrete suddenly appeared as flexible as fabric. Or maybe in our youth, on a late evening walk past the college art department, we chanced upon a firing -- a glowing kiln. It caught our attention as fire has since…since forever. We were imprinted. We notice everything pottery. In the background scenery of a movie set, in a commercial on TV, we'll notice the pots. If we walk into a strange place and there happens to be a hand-thrown piece in the room, little else occupies our mind – at least until we've had the chance to pick that piece up, feel its heft, and look beneath it. It calls our attention like an overheard conversation that sounds more interesting than the one in which we're currently engaged. "Oh, excuse me. Did you say something?" Now even the wares we use everyday take on new meaning. We've glimpsed behind the curtain and what was once a mystery – the "I-wonder-how-they-did-that?" – becomes de-mystified one discovery at a time. Ah, and it is answered with a satisfying life of pursuing new "how-to-do" mysteries to put back into the world. So, perhaps it's the process that hooks us at first. But almost simultaneously we're drawn to these objects that we're making. On the one hand we observe the component parts of glaze, form, function. And often times, especially at the beginning of our lives in clay, we see the parts in spite of the whole… ..but then, as we grow with the clay and the process, we start to direct our attention to the objective end in form and function. We begin to see the whole becoming greater than the sum of those parts. Add the fire that takes so much of the end result out of our hands – out of our control -- and we can be utterly surprised by that new whole that somehow managed to exceed our imagination. Upon opening the kiln, it's like meeting and being charmed by a stranger. Proof? -- the kiln opening dance. You know the one. You've done it. With mitted hands you hold the still hot pot by rim and base, and slowly rotate it in that graceful 360 degree pirouette – attempting to take in the whole of it. Then you set it down and turn, as if to leave – only to echo the pirouette yourself. You spin on your heel, return to the pot and pick it back up for that second look… …Fred, meet Ginger. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 05 Mar 05 - 04:24 PM John Hardley: the canister set was made by Robert Putnam, still active. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: JennyO Date: 05 Mar 05 - 10:49 AM You'd be surprised at the damage that Tupperware can do. See this little song: Tupperware Massacre: © Peter Willey - 1994 1. Come gather round and listen to this tale of misery It happened long ago at some poor girl's kitchen tea It should have been a party but things turned sour instead There were stains upon the carpet and over twenty dead 2. It started out O.K. I guess as the ladies gathered round The bride-to-be was happy with her crimplene dressing gown The handy-bin from Grandma would be useful in her home And Mrs Duke had painted her a hand-made garden gnome 3. Then Aunt Mel took exception to a comment from her niece: And she responded angrily and kicked her friend Bernice Fights broke out around the room and none got out alive Of the Kitchen Tea, Tupperware Massacre of Nineteen Sixty Five The Kitchen Tea, Tupperware Massacre of Nineteen Sixty Five 4. It turned into a melee - you could see the plastic fly A gift-wrapped, beetroot strainer caught Kate above the eye Red and yellow lunchboxes flew about the place And someone rubbed a cheese grater down Mrs Porter's face. 5. A see-through, freezer canister killed Mrs Ross stone dead A sawn-off, salad crisper protruded from her head Blood and guts filled up the place before the police arrived At the Kitchen Tea, Tupperware Massacre of Nineteen Sixty Five The Kitchen Tea, Tupperware Massacre of Nineteen Sixty Five 6. Auntie Eve grabbed Mrs Smith and jammed her in the freezer Someone tortured Norma's nose with tea-bag, squeezing tweezers Poor Thelma Biggs spun round and round stuck in a lettuce dryer None escaped the carnage as the body count grew higher 7. Thirty years have come and gone since the bodies were entombed The Forensic Squad sought evidence and ordered them exhumed They dug up Mrs Henderson and the mother of the bride They were neatly stacked in Tupperware - fresh and crisp as the day they died At the Kitchen Tea, Tupperware Massacre of Nineteen Sixty-five. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 05 Mar 05 - 06:26 AM Ode to a Grecian Urn by Keats yeh perhaps you're right - a bit of tupperware, a few jam sandwiches, a cup of tea....and stuff Keats |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: GUEST,Bertie Matchless Date: 04 Mar 05 - 04:31 PM Without pottery, Penelope Rutledge would not have been able to express her feelings adequately to Winston recently when he made the strategic error of yelling at her. :>) Tupperware is too light to throw with any panache, and it would just have bounced off his thick head without making much impression. Not nearly as satisfying as something that hits with an allmighty crack, raises a welt, and breaks into pieces! Besides, Penelope doesn't use tupperware, because it's too common and gauche. - Bertie Matchless |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Rapparee Date: 04 Mar 05 - 04:20 PM Here's a poem about a piece of pottery: THOU still unravish'd bride of quietness, Thou foster-child of silence and slow time, Sylvan historian, who canst thus express A flowery tale more sweetly than our rhyme: What leaf-fring'd legend haunts about thy shape Of deities or mortals, or of both, In Tempe or the dales of Arcady? What men or gods are these? What maidens loth? What mad pursuit? What struggle to escape? What pipes and timbrels? What wild ecstasy? 2. Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on; Not to the sensual ear, but, more endear'd, Pipe to the spirit ditties of no tone: Fair youth, beneath the trees, thou canst not leave Thy song, nor ever can those trees be bare; Bold Lover, never, never canst thou kiss, Though winning near the goal—yet, do not grieve; She cannot fade, though thou hast not thy bliss, For ever wilt thou love, and she be fair! 3. Ah, happy, happy boughs! that cannot shed Your leaves, nor ever bid the Spring adieu; And, happy melodist, unwearied, For ever piping songs for ever new; More happy love! more happy, happy love! For ever warm and still to be enjoy'd, For ever panting, and for ever young; All breathing human passion far above, That leaves a heart high-sorrowful and cloy'd, A burning forehead, and a parching tongue. 4. Who are these coming to the sacrifice? To what green altar, O mysterious priest, Lead'st thou that heifer lowing at the skies, And all her silken flanks with garlands drest? What little town by river or sea shore, Or mountain-built with peaceful citadel, Is emptied of this folk, this pious morn? And, little town, thy streets for evermore Will silent be; and not a soul to tell Why thou art desolate, can e'er return. 5. O Attic shape! Fair attitude! with brede Of marble men and maidens overwrought, With forest branches and the trodden weed; Thou, silent form, dost tease us out of thought As doth eternity: Cold Pastoral! When old age shall this generation waste, Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say'st, "Beauty is truth, truth beauty,"—that is all Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know. And here's one about a potter: THE SHALE and water thrown together so-so first of all, Then a potter's hand on the wheel and his fingers shaping the jug; out of the mud a mouth and a handle; Slimpsy, loose and ready to fall at a touch, fire plays on it, slow fire coaxing all the water out of the shale mix. Dipped in glaze more fire plays on it till a molasses lava runs in waves, rises and retreats, a varnish of volcanoes. Take it now; out of mud now here is a mouth and handle; out of this now mothers will pour milk and maple syrup and cider, vinegar, apple juice, and sorghum. There is nothing proud about this; only one out of many; the potter's wheel slings them out and the fires harden them hours and hours thousands and thousands. "Be good to me, put me down easy on the floors of the new concrete houses; I was poured out like a concrete house and baked in fire too." The last is Sandburg, the first in Keats. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: frogprince Date: 04 Mar 05 - 01:15 PM "Have Thine Own Way" just came to mind as a classic with pertinent imagery. As I was typing it in it did occur to me, more than it had before, that it is kind of mushy, passive imagery; just sit there in a wet lump so God can do what he wants with you? Won't say I "hate" it now, but I'll take a metaphor like "Dance, then, wherever you may be" over it. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: John Hardly Date: 03 Mar 05 - 08:42 PM 'CAUSE THE FOOL AT THE WHEEL SEES THE CONE BENDING DOWN ...obviously not wearing eye protection. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 03 Mar 05 - 08:09 PM And who says there aren't any songs about pots and potters? How about this one: DAY AFTER DAY ALONE AT HIS WHEEL THE MAN WITH THE FOOLISH GRIN IS MAKING POTS HE CAN SELL BUT NOBODY WANTS TO BUY THEM THEY CAN SEE THEY'RE THROWN BY A FOOL BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATTER 'CAUSE THE FOOL AT THE WHEEL SEES THE CONE BENDING DOWN AND THE EYES IN HIS HEAD SEE THE POTS SPINNING ´ROUND |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 03 Mar 05 - 07:49 PM I agree, John. It has to be waiting, yielded and spinning for me to do anything with it. If it's waiting, yielded and still, my wife will run it through the slab roller and make sushi trays. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: John Hardly Date: 03 Mar 05 - 06:47 PM As a potter (and amatuer theologian) I alway hated that hymn. No reflection on you frogprince -- I don't know whether you like or dislike it. If the clay is waiting, yeilded and still I can't do squat. It has to be spinning. If we're waiting, yeilded and still, I doubt that we can expect God to do much more. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: frogprince Date: 03 Mar 05 - 06:28 PM Have thine own way, Lord; have thine own way; Thou art the potter, I am the clay; Mold me, and make me, after thy will, While I am waiting, yielded and still. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: John Hardly Date: 03 Mar 05 - 05:20 PM Hey Leeneia, Do you remember the who, where, and when of your cannister set order? signed, curious potter who used to make cork-topped cannisters long ago. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 03 Mar 05 - 05:15 PM I love pottery and ceramics. Several years ago, a potter custom-made jars for flour and sugar for my kitchen. They hold a complete package at one go, they have strong, strappy handles so I can tip them, and they have big, cork tops so I will never have a jar with a broken lid. Eat your hearts out, those who think that luxury consists of a Jacuzzi or a McMansion! Don't even get me started on the hand-built piece that holds the Lapsang Souchong. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: greg stephens Date: 03 Mar 05 - 08:33 AM A very simple answer is given by glancing round the shelves/display cabinets etc in people's houses. There you will often find a number of pottery objects, but probably not a lot of tupperware boxes. Poyyery objects have more value(and I dont mean money, particularly). |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: rumanci Date: 03 Mar 05 - 07:23 AM So Bee-dubya-ell can give wonderful Secret Santa presents to very happy recipients *g* rum |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: John Hardly Date: 03 Mar 05 - 07:06 AM We need pottery for much the same reason we need acoustic and folk music. Historically, pottery represented the highest of technological advancement -- potters were a necessity -- they were the tupperware/melamac/glassware of their day. But now, obviously that's not the case. Functionally speaking, there are superior vessels for food storage - more uniform, self-sealing, less fragile. Modern functional pottery still does something better than the modern commercial vessel -- it speaks of our humanity better. It expresses our variety, our creative souls, and the whim of immediacy shows through in a way that only something made by hand can. I constantly struggle with leaving the hand expression in my pots. I'm a bit of a perfectionist in my work -- and I don't think that purposeful "mistakes" or sloppiness is the goal. But finding a way to not erase the hand-madeness is a constant challenge. Potters can also lead the way in innovative ideas. Because we individual potters are less committed to a commercial process that requires a great deal of time committment to mold-making or the financial committment of personel, we can make very short-run items -- and they don't have to be exactly alike. (Potters say that china "stacks", while stoneware "piles"). Pottery is also "needed" in an uncertain world because it very well expresses a "timelessness" -- an assurance that because this Noah White crock has survived the last century and a half, maybe life will still go on. Crockery/pottery is enduring. It shares man's story of struggle for survival and meaning better than any other craft, and certainly better than any other art. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: GUEST,Elfcall Date: 03 Mar 05 - 06:50 AM How else would we date archaeological contexts - coins are so much rarer ! Elfcall |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: greg stephens Date: 03 Mar 05 - 06:39 AM To put it simply, we need pottery because I live in Stoke-on-Trent and we need a thriving economy`(if you dont know Stoke, think Wedgewood, Spode.Portmeirion, Royal Doulton, Twyfords etc etc). Please buy their products(it might stop them outsourcing all the work to Uzbekistan if trade picks up a bit). |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Mooh Date: 03 Mar 05 - 06:09 AM Got me one of those Creemore Brewery mugs several years ago. Holds a LOT of beer, but now sadly only gets water and Diet Coke. It is one majestic piece of pottery though. Mooh. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Rustic Rebel Date: 03 Mar 05 - 05:26 AM Perplexed by the glob of clay, looking at it in a peculiar way, I heard the potter say, I'll make a mudpie today. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: catspaw49 Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:36 AM Because Guy Wolfe is a valued member of this community and he needs a job and a business. Spaw |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Azizi Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:34 AM Well I'm not really a songwriter, but I'll contribute this adaptation of a children's rhyme. Oh King Cole was a merry old soul. And a merry old soul was he. he he he. And he loved his potter's wheel. and he loved his pottery bowl. and he loved his fiddlers' three. {one at a time} **** Azizi |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Azizi Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:19 AM And we need poets to write about pottery and potters. And songwriters to compose such songs. Sure there are poets and songwrites and musicians and singers who are potters. But are there any poetry or songs about pottery or potters? Anyone up to the challenge?? ;o)) Azizi |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Peace Date: 02 Mar 05 - 11:47 PM We need poetry so that poets have something to do. And songwriters. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Kaleea Date: 02 Mar 05 - 11:47 PM so's we can have breakables to throw! What would couples in the movies do during their arguments if there weren't pottery? |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Mar 05 - 11:40 PM My father may have had a secret addiction to pottery. There was a heckuva lot of it at his house when I worked on his estate, and he always gave it to friends and family as gifts. But what lovely gifts! SRS |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Bill D Date: 02 Mar 05 - 11:32 PM I buy pottery...I buy way more pottery than I need. I have 18-20 coffee mugs, and plates that are seldom used. I need a keeper when I see pottery. If I'd been real smart, I'd have learned to make pottery rather than learning to turn wood, because people don't call up potters saying "I have this sticky dirt out behind my house...do you want IT?" (I have 2 lifetimes supply of wood, and they keep calling!) And people don't usually break wood stuff.... |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Mooh Date: 02 Mar 05 - 11:16 PM Oh yeah, and it makes great presents for others too! Mooh. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Mooh Date: 02 Mar 05 - 11:15 PM We've bought and been given some lovely pottery, like our best dishes, several wine goblets, platters, lots of bowls, and we display them throughout the house. Pottery is the best, most functional art. We need it to make us happy, inspired, and loved. Peace, Mooh. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: jimmyt Date: 02 Mar 05 - 10:44 PM I really like pottery ! really! We always try to buy a piece of locally made pottery every where we go. And, I come from Zanesville Ohio, at one time the pottery capital of the US. SO, I am just being silly! Of course i like pottery! Who doesn't? I think they would have character flaws, probably hate kitties and listen to Zamphir on the 8track player! |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 02 Mar 05 - 10:21 PM We need pottery so people like me don't have to work for a living! Play in clay for two or three hours a day. Play with fire a couple of hours the next day. Spend the rest of the day on the Mudcat. Go off on the weekend and let people give your wife money for the stuff you made while you sit behind the booth and play guitar. And of course it's breakable! If it never broke, all us potters would starve! Sure, we could make real thick pottery that'd be hard to break, but that'd be dangerous. If you make it too thick and it falls off of the counter and hits the baby in the head it'll kill the poor little thing. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Rapparee Date: 02 Mar 05 - 10:15 PM It gives Bee-Dubya-Ell something to do. |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: GUEST,odd fella Date: 02 Mar 05 - 10:14 PM ask yourself: What Would Agamemnon Do? |
Subject: RE: BS: why do we need pottery? From: Azizi Date: 02 Mar 05 - 10:06 PM Yes, it might be breakable, but it's beautiful.. and paintings on pottery have preserved so much history... |
Subject: BS: why do we need pottery? From: jimmyt Date: 02 Mar 05 - 09:56 PM couldn't we use only melmac? tupperware? those cools aluminlm painted cups from the late 50s? pottery is so darn...........breakable! |