BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 04:00 PM

Living on the edge of a government site that stores radioactive (and other) waste, I too wish that the stuff didn't come NEAR a town. But that's pretty much impossible. I thought about air transport, but that would be even worse.

I wish that we had fusion reactors, I really do. They can run on nuclear waste and turn it into harmless stuff. But the US government in its infinite wisdom has pretty much shut such research down. Sigh.

("Say Hank! What's that glow in the sky off to the Northwest?" "That's jist The Site, Sam. Jist The Site.")

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 03:45 PM

I thought the anthrax article to be of greater import. Didn't notice the ad.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 03:20 PM

Yippee.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 03:05 PM

It wasn't difficult to notice, when I looked at the anthrax article the woman holding her underwear out and looking at her crotch.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 02:24 PM

I share Brucie's concerns about transporting highly infectous agents in urban areas, but I don't know if restricting labs working with such agents to remote areas is a solution. From the bad guys' point of view, hijacking that lone Fedex van on a five-mile stretch of empty road that leads to a known facility is more likely to yield a payoff than randomly hiting one of the hundreds of vans that are making deliveries in the city. Lots fewer witnesses and cops around, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 02:16 PM

Maybe we can get to a point where we see the advisability of putting the labs AWAY from cities/populated centres. I have often wondered what would have happened if the Reston virus had been the Mayinga strain. I agree that most common carriers do the job. In this case it is not about Fed Ex or Purolator. It's about what is being carried.

Later, TC.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 02:12 PM

Brucie...
Yep, I agree that it is no fun having this stuff going thru the middle of a city. Only thing is, that's where the package was going to... for all shipments like that, courier companies avoid any transit within cities, if for no other reason that it takes a helluva longer (read: more expensive) to deal with traffic and that, instead of taking a highway around an area.

but if you were wondering... it ain't too freakin often Purolator is transporting Anthrax or Ebola, it is just that we were willing to have applied thru Transport Canada to be a designated courier and was accepted... Joe's Delivery and Taxidermy Express ain't allowed to.

B

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:58 PM

I off this thread.

G'luck with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: annamill
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:56 PM

Excuse me. Double post. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: annamill
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:55 PM

Now everyone knows where they can get anthrax, should they need it, real quick. Cheezz!

Now that makes me nervous! Please don't tell me that this is common knowledge anyway. I didn't know that!

Cheezz!

Love, Annamill

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:55 PM

"Is it the anthrax or the ad for genital sores that you're concerned about brucie?"

I didn't notice. Good eye.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:52 PM

Problem at accident scenes is that the driver manifest isn't always in evidence or even available. I think maybe a btter place for this type of thing is AWAY from big cities. The stuff has to be transported, I know that. And I was just offering a perspective that may vary from most people's. This isn't about first responders. It IS about the transport of dangerous goods. And maybe why are we running this stuff through cities and towns.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:13 PM

hehe Anna... it is more that we know who is allowed to carry it, not how often, where, when, or even why... which might make the regular person nervous, but I like the fact that the nasty people don't know either!

Love backatcha and all that MudCat stuff
Brian

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: annamill
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:09 PM

Now everyone knows where they can get anthrax, should they need it, real quick. Cheezz!

Now that makes me nervous! Please don't tell me that this is common knowledge anyway. I didn't know that!

Cheezz!

Love, Annamill

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 12:46 PM

Hey Brucie...
actually, when packaged properly, the "common carrier" who is certified to carry it is one of the best people for it. Yes, you think of the typical courier driver and the whole thing, but items categorized as Dangerous Goods (which this would be) are handled VERY differently at all levels of transport. The driver is very aware of what is on board with him, and accidents do happen, whether a courier cube van, a small auto, or an armored car. The response seems to have been quick and effective, so the actual wisdom was spot on :-)

Also, the vehicle is to be marked with the appropriate DG placards for the type of goods they are carrying, as per Transport Canada, which should give notice to any emergency responders.

Brian

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 12:37 PM

I think maybe you miss the point. A first responder entering a van in which

1) he/she is not aware of the hazard
2) and is not properly suited for it
3) will be real sick or real dead real soon

I am questioning the wisdom of shipping this stuff via common carrier. That's all, Art. OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 12:34 PM

A first responder wouldn'y have done it differently, Art. Obviously.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 12:31 PM

Yep..."business as usual". Accident occurs with vehicle carrying properly packaged hazerdous material. HazMat team called out, cargo carefully checked to assure that the precautions weren't compromised, then it was all reloaded and sent on its way. Isn't this how its supposed to happen? How would a "first responder" have done it differently?

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 12:00 PM

I guess what amazes me about this kind of report is that it seems to be a 'businee as usual' kinda thing. We (first responders) often joke that train wrecks are ABC Response: Armchair, Binoculars, Case of beer.

If this had been a virus that transmits to people, would we all be looking at things differently?

See Reston, Virginia report.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 11:53 AM

And more easy to spot from the POV of the bad guys, Bee-dubya.

Anthrax isn't the biggest worry -- anthrax spores are found all over the US and Canada in the soil, as well as in most other countries of the world. I'd worry more about hemmorrhagic fevers (such as Ebola ) or, because of where I live and have lived, Hanta virus.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 11:45 AM

I'm a first responder. I do NOT want to find I'm in bunker gear dealing with a hazmat situation. Just don't sit well with me at all, ya know?

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 11:38 AM

Shit happens! Trains derail, planes crash, cars and trucks get in accidents. Whattaya want? A moratorium on transporting anything toxic from one place to another? Four-car full-surround police escorts for every vehicle carrying hazardous cargo? How about invisible force fields around FedEx vans that repel red-light-running idiots? Sounds to me like every reasonable precaution was taken. If the containers the stuff was in are designed to withstand plane crashes I doubt a fender-bender is gonna wipe out half of Canada.

Okay... Maybe, just maybe, it might be a good idea to require that the vehicles used to transport certain toxic materials in urban areas be more like armored cars than regular delivery vans. Vans do have a pretty high center of gravity and are more prone to tipping over in crashes. It wouldn't keep idiots from running into them, but it'd make the accident less serious from the cargo's point of view.

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 11:16 AM

Is it the anthrax or the ad for genital sores that you're concerned about brucie?

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 11:13 AM

Nothin' to see here. Move on. Move on. LOLOL

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 11:09 AM

like the time I was on the military base where (at the time) they had quite a large storage facility for various toxins and materials. As I am driving to my appointment - a hit a roadblock swarming with guys in full hazmat suits.

"What's going on" ask I.

The answer - which I don't believe for a minute - was "Nothing".

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 11:07 AM

Hey I work for Purolator, and we can carry Ebola.... mwahahahhahaha!!!


ya nervous NOW ??

Brian

Subject: RE: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: GUEST,Bill the Collie
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 11:06 AM

Good luck Brucie




And thanks for all the fish

Subject: BS: Huh! No need to be nervous.
From: GUEST,Brucei
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 10:49 AM

What? Me worry? Noooooooooo!