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An Apology to Damien Barber
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: The Borchester Echo Date: 10 May 05 - 02:32 PM Guest Jonjo (whoever you are) get real yourself. You clearly do not know either me or Damien Barber who is a friend (I think) though not a person that I know particularly well. I am interested in his music as a soloist, as a duo and in his band (which Richard Bridge would do well to watch in performance before making an uninformed snap judgments). Damien is also a human being who has made a mistake and apologised for it. Enough. Leave it.
Shambles, if you have any concern for the person concerned, I suggest that you accept the fact that this thread has been closed for his benefit. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: George Papavgeris Date: 10 May 05 - 01:56 PM GUEST, Liz has the right to tell us what she likes. Just as you just cast aspersions on her character with your last sentence, you sanctimonious & pretentious git. Just as I just did to you:-). It's a free forum, innit? And we (and you) have the right to follow her suggestions or not, and to do as we please. Nobody can force you to do anything - neither can you force anybody to shut up. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: The Shambles Date: 10 May 05 - 01:39 PM Let those who are without sin (and a name) etc. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: GUEST Date: 10 May 05 - 01:25 PM I think the 'apology' was a feeble attempt not to be arrested or charged. Sorry you have been on the recieving end of violence. That doesn't give you the right to tell us what and when to do it. But it could be a clue as to why you have been treated in the past as you say you have been. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: Liz the Squeak Date: 10 May 05 - 01:03 PM Violence is never OK, and yes Guest, I have been on the receiving end from a drunken man... but from what I see in the thread, Damien apologised, he knows he has a problem and is trying to address it and he didn't need to be arrested or charged in order to state that publicly. That should have been the end of it. If the person who was hurt wants to pursue it, they should do so via the police station and not here. LTS |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: GUEST Date: 10 May 05 - 12:43 PM Shambles the rest of us don't go around headbutting people. Any one who does think that's ok is probably very lonely. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: The Shambles Date: 10 May 05 - 12:41 PM Instead of one post that not many people would have opened. Because of all the needless fuss and judgement - there are now 3 threads. With posters now determined to get to the bottom of the huge incident that started it all. When you open the original (now closed) thread with the link kindly provided - what do you find. An apolgy from a fellow human being - for being as failable as the rest of us. Please let's get things in perspective? |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: GUEST,Jonjo Date: 10 May 05 - 12:19 PM I think someone here wants to have Damien's babies. Be sure to check for horns and the numbers 666 Countess! Muppitz - you were absolutely right to start the thread; maybe (just maybe, hopefully) the music hot-head in question will have learnt his lesson. And by the way Countess - get a reality check.... |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: The Shambles Date: 10 May 05 - 12:14 PM Liz, it's OK I think. I was one of those who asked for the other thread to be closed; this one does not discuss the incident (at least not yet), but rather muppitz' action in raising the issue. It is generic at this stage, still - and I hope it remains so. I do object to posters asking for threads to be closed or deleted. If a thread is not to your taste - leave it - and then as far as you are concered - the thread IS closed. Why would you wish to deprive other posters to whom this thread may be to their taste? And if you don't like the fact that the public can post what they choose to on a discussion forum that is open to the public - find another site. These days - our volunteers need no encouragement to impose their judgement upon us. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: Richard Bridge Date: 10 May 05 - 12:14 PM Having been to the site and listened to the streaming material, distinctly unimpressed - not that I don't like bass guitar, but that isn't particularly good bass guitar. Not a good foundation to be asserting oneself better than all the other folk artists in the world... |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: GUEST Date: 10 May 05 - 12:00 PM You mean this message board ? http://www.thedemonbarbers.com/Default.aspx?tabid=134 Forum Name Get personal Chat with the Demons, leave gig feedback, ask the questions you've always wanted to know! The Grapevine gossip, stuff you like, stuff you don't like, favourite festival/gig/beer, what you had for breakfast - a chance to unload those heavy burdens. Help, I'm a folky but . . . . I can't get an answer on Mudcat cos there's too many posts - can anyone help me?! Don't be daft Anything the other categories don't cover and might be mildy amusing . . . |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 10 May 05 - 09:39 AM why not take it direct to the chat forum at barbers website.. invite him to make an official statement and apology and public declaration that he'll try hard not to do it again.. ..and maybe a sizable voluntary personal donation to a folk music charity relevant to the event where this incident occured.. then everyone learn and move on.. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: Paco Rabanne Date: 10 May 05 - 09:37 AM Well said Guest of 07:20am. In the two threads that I have read concerning this head butting incident, little regard seems to have been paid to the chap who was attacked.How is he? Surely any apologies/hand wringing should be directed in his direction? |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: George Papavgeris Date: 10 May 05 - 09:12 AM I can see your point, GUEST, and if I am guilty of that, I consider myself chastised. Posters will indeed post what they want, and cannot be prevented from doing so; just as people will behave as they want. But surely, society does have rules, which deem certain behaviours, and certain postings, unacceptable? |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: GUEST Date: 10 May 05 - 07:20 AM Telling others how to post and what to post on a world wide forum, smacks of the same inflated self importance that led to the affray. But you wouldn't recognise that. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: Richard Bridge Date: 10 May 05 - 07:08 AM Apology by Muppitz wholly unnecessary. Thread itself (as distinct from some postings) factual, and all the material non-private. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: George Papavgeris Date: 10 May 05 - 07:03 AM I am starting a new, generic thread. There is no need to continue here under a title mentioning specific name. The particular incident has been aired and discussed - further repetition of views already stated in the other thread on the same subject does not add anything. If you are interested in the (generic) subject, please join me on the new thread. I will title it: "BS: Complaints versus Mudslinging" |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 10 May 05 - 06:34 AM Sorry the Guest was me at work, Yes I have got drunk, yes I've done things which in the cold light of morning were stupid, no I have never hit anyone in a drunken rage, (even if they did remind me of my brother who I dislike intensely) I think that the thread was closed after just two days prevented the subject, irrespective of Damiens involvement, to get a proper airing. As I have already said any violence is intolerable, that it should occur in a folk setting is a disgrace and should be seen as such. We, as a group, need to reinforce the message that such conduct is unacceptable and will not be condoned, as some would seem to be doing in this case, merely because the perpetrator is a known name on the folk scene |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: The Borchester Echo Date: 10 May 05 - 06:16 AM Has 'anonymous guest' never got drunk and proceeded to do or say things which, in the morning, they wish they hadn't? Damien has apologised publically for a regrettable incident which few witnessed. End of. Muppitz did what he thought was right at the time by making it an issue. Some agree and some don't. Bottom line is that it's over. Haven't you all got tunes to learn or any of his brilliant CDs to listen to? |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: GUEST Date: 10 May 05 - 05:56 AM I wonder Liz, if you or yours had been injured, you would be asking for the thread to be closed. This should serve to reiterate that the folk scene will not tolerate such violent behaviour and that those who perpetrate it are not welcome in it's midst |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: Liz the Squeak Date: 10 May 05 - 04:14 AM Good intention El Greko - but I bet it degenerates into mud slinging again... LTS |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: George Papavgeris Date: 10 May 05 - 04:09 AM Liz, it's OK I think. I was one of those who asked for the other thread to be closed; this one does not discuss the incident (at least not yet), but rather muppitz' action in raising the issue. It is generic at this stage, still - and I hope it remains so. I have been meaning to start a thread on what is, and what isn't, OK for us to do in such cases: For example, it surely is OK to report it. But at some point we cross the line between simple discussion and mud-slinging. Where is that point? What is acceptable? etc etc. Perhaps we can use this thread. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: Liz the Squeak Date: 10 May 05 - 04:04 AM Can we close this one now? The incident seems to have been explained, apologised for by all parties and needs no further discussion. LTS |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: GUEST Date: 10 May 05 - 03:58 AM Well said Ragytash, unacceptable behaviour anywhere |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: George Papavgeris Date: 09 May 05 - 07:22 PM Agree with Raggytash; I don't see why muppitz needs to apologise for bringing it to our attention - it was the right thing to do. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: open mike Date: 09 May 05 - 03:35 PM this thread--it is closed. |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: open mike Date: 09 May 05 - 03:23 PM which thread? |
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Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: Raggytash Date: 09 May 05 - 02:19 PM On the contrary Muppitz you were quite correct to raise the issue, violence should not be condoned or tolerated in any sphere of our society. That this occured at a folk festival which many of consider to be one of the last bastions of peaceful co-existence is unacceptable and the individual concerned should be brought to book. Had this occured in Baxtergate and brought to the attention of the Police he would have been arrested and charged and rightly so. I have read the thread you started and heard three separate eyewitness accounts of events, all of which tallied. Despite the "justification" put forward I am not convinced by the "apology" and wonder(the cynic that I am)if it is merely an attempt at damge limitation |
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Subject: An Apology to Damien Barber From: muppitz Date: 09 May 05 - 12:56 PM I would like to publically apologise for my lack of tact and basic decency in starting the thread relating to the above person. No excuses, I was wrong! If Damien doesn't see this, could someone please pass this message on to him. muppitz the un-thoughtful |
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