Sewage Health Warning!!!!

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 11:41 PM

LOL! Exactly why I posted it, Jean...at least I may have saved one or two.



PS...Biting lawyers is NOT good...but when your lawyers' dog bites YOU....you get a discount....been there, done that too, LOL!

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Peace
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 11:10 PM

"the dog did bite a lawyer once.)"

Uh huh . . . .

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: LadyJean
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 11:08 PM

I just had my stack snaked, oh the joys of homeownership. I had the shower drain fixed, so it doesn't leak into the kitchen, but the rest of the drains backed up and my one and only toilet quit flushing. It was an impressive mess. Your advice is actually useful, especially as the sewer cleaners assure me it can happen again, as there is "something weird" in the drain.
My sister's rottweiller died from drinking Chicago river water. This was the same dog that survived eating the neck off of a glass salad dressing bottle. I didn't mourn the beast. He took chunks out of people. But my sister adored him. (He only bit men. As she's gay, this wasn't as much of a problem as it might have been, though the dog did bite a lawyer once.)

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 10:02 PM

I don't care if I hold the record for the most deleted posts. Someone reads them usually before they are deleted. And worse case the person who who deleted them has read it.

Either way, I got through to someone and got my point across. Either way, someone has their undies in a bunch over it, and if they can't deal with someone's take on something or someone's comments, I say who are they really to be so judgemental?

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 09:16 PM

Of course I am!!!

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 06 - 07:29 PM

Scenario:
Toilet/Sewer overflows (you do not live in New Orleans)
Dogs walk through it
Dogs get deadly E. Coli infection
OUCGH!!!
For personal family safety you are sterilizing the house

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 11:21 PM

PS...why do you think I started this thread if not to help others??? And, they DO TO have souls... but how would either of us really know? Or are YOU God?????

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 10:54 PM

Actually, I have no prob with the above...yes, they were 'just dogs' and we are getting over it, but even if they were 'just dogs' they were Family and we miss them. The biggest point to all this is the sewer. And yes that is where we have the Prob..they were counting on us, and we failed them. We/I DO try to help others....

Garg, I'm SURE you are off your meds....you are actually almost being a kind human and making sense....(grin)

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 10:17 PM

Above Posted at 10:00 p.m. EST -

Which clone is on the throne - and how long will it remain?

Sincerely,

Gargoyle

MG & Morris Dancer I have the files - do you want to know who has more deleated postings? Sorry, since you are newbies I have you all beat, but MG in a one year stretch you are tops however, for three years Twinkle-Toes has the greatest....the chart looks like something from the NASDAQ.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 10:05 PM

Woman - you need a MAN in your life!!!

And not some "Broken Back" man.

I have read your threads. Coincidentaly, and ironicaly during the identical time frame of your same loss, I lost a dear, beloved, K9, friend of ten years. I could give you the official "mumbo-jumbo" but let us call it cancer of the spleen that spread to the liver.

We had a blessed three week "love fest" together. The good Lord was kind in allowing a transitional parting. The passing was 45 minutes of jerks and spasms and twitchs in the hallway. It was mercifuly short when extended over 10 years.

Yah, there were tears and reading your postings brought back tears.

I did not "seek solice" in cyber-friends or bulletin-board-buddys.

Friends (flesh and blood, humans) came by and comforted the beast that was blissfully ignorant of the three vet-hospitol's diagnoises.

But....F-CKING get over it woman!

Why post your crappola - and insist it isn't (leave it to a clone)....I have a feeling much of your life, like the daily household chores of cleaning, (and leaving BS to the clones) have been "put on hold" for many years. Thankfuly, the dogs may of saved your lives as you do "Spring Cleaning."

It was a dog and only a dog. Humans want to anthropomorphise/persona things as far removed from humankind as wind-chimes. Dogs, cats, and wind chimes have no souls

Spend the remainder of YOUR Life helping others. Use your dogs as a model of self-less-sacrifice. They did not know better....but were counting on you.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Personally, dogs should live OUTDOORS where the sun's UV or the cold temperatures kill most of the "nasty" natural things.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 01:29 AM

Garg, that is the very first NICE thing you have ever said to me, and I thank you for it...it is a good idea. And, Maggie, nothing can cause us more pain than we have already dealt with...no prob with the links.

bobdad....stomach, gut, liver, kidneys...etc...as in everywhere....

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 12:04 AM

This thread is for shit. Literally.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 11:59 PM

If the bushes were a favorite shady hangout for the pooches, I think you'd have a good spot. It's all in the sentiment with which you approach the task, Garg. It wouldn't hurt to throw a few amendments on the soil while you're at it.

SRS

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 11:53 PM

Bad idea - dumping their remains in the bushes. Horrible Karma!!!

Find a fine-crafted potter in your local area. Allow them to mix the ash with clay and let their imagination hand-craft two beautiful vases to sit on the shelf and hold flowers in the spring and to look noble in the winter.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: bobad
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 10:13 PM

Was the E.Coli and enterococcus found in the blood or some other organ?

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: JudyB
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 09:50 PM

For those who want to read the story from the beginning, please check out the threads Sorch Needs MudPower which is about Annie, the first of the dogs to develop symptoms, and Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog. Annie died in late February and Gilley about three weeks later.

A number of us here had been following those threads, but I can see how this could be confusing for someone who opened this thread without being familiar with the other two.

Sorcha, I apologize for the pain I may be causing by posting the links, and I'm hoping that having them here will make it easier for those who have questions to go back and see if they've already been answered in one of the other threads.

My thoughts are with you.
JudyB

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 09:28 PM

Of course we did necropsies, and yes it is surprising....very. E coli and enterococus.....and we have papers, but I doubt the ins will cover...I can ask tho...thanks.

Brought Gilley's ashes home today...sad day...but they are together again on my dresser. Will bury them when the lilac blooms. They were 7 and 8...not old.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 08:14 PM

Surprising the cats lived and the dogs died. Dogs eat cat crap all the time and doesn't seem to bother them one bit. It fact, it is surprising the dog food makers don't use cat crap for a flavor. Dogs roll in the stuff of other dogs. They eat hobo dung along with the newspaper by the side of train tracks.

Maybe your dogs died of something else and it was just a coincidence. Did you request an autopsy?

Homeowners insurance might replace your dogs if they were young enough and had papers.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 08:25 PM

As a common "chat" courtesy to others using the MC board....(for things other than cyber-psych-angst-outlets)

A blue clicky

to the thread references, might lead to more compasionate responces.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

You ladies are presenting a poor example to our Spring crop of "newbies." You know better! Now go out and do what's right!

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 10:51 AM

Thanks, whiz, but it seems some people just can't be bothered to actually read.......

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 11:37 PM

IT KILLED HER DOGS. There's been a thread running about that aspect of it.

~Susan

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 11:20 PM

Gargoyle is right

What is the subject?

Why are you posting this?

What sort of disease is involved? HIV? Hep-A,B,C, Cholora, Typhus, Bird Flu, West Nile?

Did the sewage come from youselves or unknown neighbors?

If it can kill dogs it can kill you also. But the dogs seem to be OK?

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 11:15 PM

Another one of those "curious" mud-CHAT threads.

References to GARGOYLE postings.....in proceeding postings ....but all of his have been deleted and so the reference point is lost.

Something stinks in this thread, and it is more than dead-puppies, or unwholsome health practices.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

clones you can do better - to erase opposing viewpoints - do a scan and also remove all postings that refer to Gargoyle, et. all. Unfilled blanks on the form frequently call for an audit.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Bert
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 12:52 PM

Thanks for that info Peace,

BTW, the bleach we used in England was chlorine but here in the US it's some sort of hypochlorite which is not nearly so fierce and used to be marketed in England as Milton.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Peace
Date: 28 Mar 06 - 01:24 AM

"Clean blood or bodily fluids with a diluted bleach solution (mix 9 parts water to 1 part fresh bleach)" [for Hep B]

"Condoms might be disposed of in a bedside container of 1 part bleach/ 9 parts water solution" [for HIV]

"To kill bacteria [Staphylococcus aureus (staph)/ Klebsiella pneumoniae] in laundry, add ¾ cup of Clorox® Regular-Bleach to a standard size washer following the laundry use directions."

"Mix a solution of 1-cup bleach to 10 cups water or use a household disinfectant that kills viruses." [hantavirus]

"Thoroughly wet contaminated areas with a hypochlorite (bleach) solution or household disinfectant. A bleach solution can be made by mixing 1½ cups of household bleach in 1 gallon of water. (Note: bleach solution is an irritant and should not be used on humans or live animals. Care should be used to avoid splashing when mixing the solution.)" [Hemorrhagic Fever with Renal Syndrome]

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE: "Bleach solutions need to be made fresh daily. Once diluted, bleach breaks down quickly (mainly into salt and water)."

It is also noted above that household bleach (the stuff you use in laundry) directly on flesh is not good. However, I think we have all done that to our hands at one time or another. Dogs have pores in the pads of their feet, so washing the feet with a bleach solution won't harm the dog extensively provided the feet are washed within a few minutes minutes in soap and water then rinsed. Probably a good thing that after your pet has been in sewage, wash the whole dog in warm soapy water, and pay special attention to feet and the body parts they seem to like paying attention to.

Thanks for starting this thread, Sorcha. It's important. I too am sorry the enlightenment for so many of us came because of a great loss to you and yer hubby.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 11:52 PM

CDC recommends 1/2 cup bleach per gallon of water. Granted, "Flooded Private Sewage Systems: Safety, Sanitation And Clean-Up Concerns" is talking about cleaning up basements in which sewage backed up because of a flood. You get to a certain concentration of bleach, and it won't be any more effective above that.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 11:08 PM

Not if you rinsed well after....but, bottom line, just be CAREFUL. I meant 10% bleach, 90% water....depends on what you are dealing with.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Bert
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 10:47 PM

I think that you're overdoing the bleach a little there Sorchieluv.

When I had a job in the food industry one time we used a couple of tablespoons per gallon.

A 10% solution would play havoc with a pet's paws.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 10:37 PM

Well, doh.....the fumes from the full stregnth stuff aren't too cool either

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 10:33 PM

Please - DO NOT!!! - drink a solution of 10% bleach!!!

It may kill more than the bacteria

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: JudyB
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 10:26 PM

Thanks for sharing the information - must admit it never would have occurred to me that it could be lethal as well as yucky! And I wouldn't begin to know what to do if it ever happened.

And please do be careful - Garg's bedside manner might be a bit shaky, but the tiny type warning makes sense to me - I'd be pestering my doctor for as many blood tests as possible.

Thoughts are with you.

JudyB

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 09:58 PM

Ps....the labs are back...E coli and enterococci....latter is VERY resistant to antibiotics, but chlorine bleach will kill it. If you even SUSPECT you or your pets have walked in 'nasties' wipe down esp hands and feet with a 10% bleach solution.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 09:06 PM

And ref fungi/mould.....there are many specific fungicidals out there but the ONLY thing that will kill ALL fungi is high intenstity ozone treatment....you have to call a Haz Mat cleaning company.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 07:47 PM

Storm of the Century and the NEW sewers backed up into the co-op's basment. We lost three elevators and all the basement apartments. Holy Shit! You have my sympathy, Sorch. Been a tough month all 'round for you. Sorry.
SINS

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 07:20 PM

Food bowls! Sunlight is bacteria's worst enemy....people bedding.

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 07:14 PM

Sorcha, thanks so much. Hard way to learn this, darlin'...know that you have saved others who didn't know until now, through your sorrow.

luvyakat

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 06:04 PM

Don't forget crate pads, crates.....ANYTHING they might walk on or have walked or are able to touch....

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 05:54 PM

And, a strong enough bleach solution will also kill most virii....but not the computer kind! :)

Subject: RE: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 05:45 PM

Oh yes...if you are concerned about poo in the yard, first, scoop or clean litter boxes...and ALL plants can be sprayed with the 5/1 bleach solution, grass and all. Won't hurt them a bit.

Subject: Sewage Health Warning!!!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 05:42 PM

I purposely did NOT put this in BS, it can be moved if necessary.

This is the School of Hard Knocks speaking, so listen up.

IF you have a sewage back up and raw sewage on the floor here is what to do:
Get ALL the mammals OUT ASAP until it is cleaned up. Remove any carpet, rugs, etc that can be tossed, carpet can never be truly sterilized.

Clean anything that can be cleaned with chlorine bleach with a 5 water to 1 bleach solution...if you really want to be safe and can stand the fumes, use full strength bleach.

Any surfaces that can't be bleached (such as carpets) should be cleaned with Lysol, or some other antibacterial as per instructions on the bottle. Spray anything you think even 'might' have been contaminated with an aerosol   Lysol/antibacterial spray.

Wash all throw rugs with either bleach (for whites) or a Lysol thing.

If you can't do all this in one day, then do it as you can, and then spray all the floors (and as high up as the animals could reach) with the antibac. spray.

Don't forget the walls, outside of tub, top of washer and dryer...anywhere your animal could walk.

DO not let them walk in the mess....and YOU wear rubber gloves, and sterilize you shoes and clothes.

Shoe soles can be wiped or sprayed. Please, don't be as sorry as we were.

The above reccomendations come from a pro carpet cleaning service. If you have no Home carpet shampooer, call a pro. Home Owners Insurance.

More as I remember it....