BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 01:15 AM

Yasser Arafat has private bank accounts worth more than $800 million built up with funds designated as aid to the Palestinian Authority, according to a report.

From the appropriated money, he transfers $100,000 a month to his wife Suha, who lives in Paris with their daughter, according to the CBS News program "60 Minutes," which will air the report Sunday.

The investigation was assisted by PA Finance Minister Salam Fayad, who is trying to trace all of the money allocated to the PA that never reached its intended destination.

More here

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 12:59 AM

No answers just accusations and finger pointing.

Here's one:

The PA steals relief money from the "refugees" and keeps them whipped up in a hate Isreal frenzy so they can exploit them.

Who is Suha?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 08:20 AM

Explain the blockade and the unemployment?

How come Isreal is at peace with Egypt and Jordan?

Why are people in Jordan employed by Israel?

How come there are Muslims living in Isreal with no problems?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 06:53 PM

"Don't you think readin' writin' and 'rithmatic classes would be more productive than hate and kill classes? "

I do - but if you lived in a blockaded country where you have zero chance of employment, your thinking may be different.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 03:03 PM

But then again, why does the PA waste time and money teaching them things they do not have to be taught?

Don't you think readin' writin' and 'rithmatic classes would be more productive than hate and kill classes?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 03:00 PM

Dianavan:

You are right. I thought you said "children have been taught"

Now how about the doctored stuff?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:58 PM

When I said, "I don't think Palestinian children have to be taught to hate Israeli soldiers", I mean that it is unneccessary to teach children to hate an occupying army. They have to live with it everyday. Palestinian children are no different than other children who have to live with the enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:24 PM

And yes Dianavan I searched for news articles saying IDF was wearing Lebanese Army uniforms and I found some but ther were 7 times more articles saying Hizbollah was wearing either IDF or Lebanese Army uniforms.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:14 PM

Ok I found the link. I read it before. I see nothing "Wrong" with what Idf did except where it insinuates that people were killed by IDF but it does not say who was killed by whom, why and how.
"TONY JONES: At least 10 people were killed during the raid on Baalbek."

Also it does not say the IDF was weraing Lebanese uniforms. That statement was made with no source to back it up.


Dianavan has backed herself into a corner by her "I don't think Palestinian children have to be taught to hate Israeli soldiers" which demonstrates her lack of knowledge. She claims the other side doctored photos but she can't produce any evidence or even define "the other side"

She is correct on her statement that "digitally enhanced photojournalism sucks" She should find out who is doing it, why and what results it is having. She should expand her search to include staged news footage and "news articles" that are calculated to persuade her that Israel is the bad guys and Hizbollah are the good guys.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 05:57 AM

I think I won't try for it is a hopeless endeavour with that poster.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 03:23 AM

Wolfgang, please tell that guy to read you link.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:07 AM

Dianavan please read:

No source means it's bullshit that can't be substantiated. I gave mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 08:42 PM

Having some difficulties there are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 08:40 PM

What Old Guy?

Any Old Guy...

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 08:33 PM

"So who said "All's fair in love and war"? "

It's only fair when Israel does it, Old Guy.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 08:26 PM

"So who said "All's fair in love and war"? "

It's only fair when Hezbollah does it, bobad.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 08:24 PM

Old Guy - Please read!

IDF were wearing Lebanese Army uniforms.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 08:23 PM

Of course if that had been an Afghani shopkeeper pickwed up by the US he'd still probably be stuck in Guantanamo Bay years later with no prospect of getting out in the forseeable future.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 07:50 PM

"Why, don't you know that all those photos are fake?? And all the reports of torture? . . . We're winning! WINNING!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Is it something in the air . . . ?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 07:46 PM

Wolfgang's link does not say who was killed, why or how.

I does say they were returned ASAP.

Were they harmed? Were they used to make propaganda videos? Were they forced to make false statements with a gun to thier head? Were they beheaded on Camera?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Grab
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 05:14 PM

Old Guy, you might care to check Wolfgang's link before you jump to that conclusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 07:34 PM

"They're coming to take me away Ha! Ha!"

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: GUEST,Total moron
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 10:51 AM

Why, don't you know that all those photos are fake?? And all the reports of torture? Fake! And the bound, blindfolded bodies turning up in allies and fields throughout Baghdad? Don't make me raugh! Fake! And that's fake blood in those pix, you fool! And those pix of Lebanese weeping over their relatives blown-up bodies were posed. Everybody knows Arabs don't really feel grief. They like death that's why they have so much of it over there. Just like blacks in the ghetto. Death is honorable in Japan too. Non-whites like to die so that's why we kill so many of them, you stupid idiots!! You're a dupe of the Reuters/AP/ABC/NBC/CBS/Gennett/Knight-Ridder/Al-Jazeera/NHK/BBC/NYT/Viacom/worldwide liberal media mega-conspiracy!! You should be watching Fox! And there really were WMD but they buried them where we can't find them and that's the ONLY reason Bush said the other day that there weren't any. You libs twisted his arm and derailed his agenda and if this war fails it will be ALL YOUR FAULT!

And don't start with this U.K. terror plot thing being a nothing but a cheap diversion stuff. That's just, like, SO ridiculous! You libs are so stupid! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I laugh at you and your stupid liberal notions!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! We're winning the war, you hear me??? We're winning the fucking war--why can't you just accept it??? It's because you just hate Bush--that's all it is!! Admit it. You hate Bush and your media lapdogs are lying and doing everything to make people think we're losing it. But intelligent people see through that stupid liberal ploy. You can't fool us and in the end we'll be laughing at you and your liberal stupidity. That's why I'm laughing now! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Stupid liberals!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That makes you so mad doesn't it?? AWWWWWW, POOR LIBERAL BABY! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! We're winning! WINNING!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: 282RA
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 10:41 AM

So, it's come to this. Hezbollah won because they fight dirty. Good lord.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 10:36 AM

Walt:

No source means it's bullshit that can't be substantiated. I gave mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:53 PM

Touche, bobad!

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:48 PM

My understanding is that Hezbollah has only gone in for capturing members of the IDF

What an idiotic statement attempting to show what nice fellows those Hezbollah guys are. Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets indiscrimantely at civilians. Many of them were fired at Haifa, the most integreated Arab/Jewish city in the Middle East. What does that tell you about how Hezbollah feels about Jews and Arabs getting along? Oh yeah, some of those Hezbollah rockets fell on Arab villages and killed Arab children. I guess those Arab children deserved it because their ancestors didn't listen to the Arab leaders and get out in 1948 so the that the Jews could be driven into the sea.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:35 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: GUEST,walt - PM
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 02:20 PM

The IDF commandos that raided into northern Lebanon after the ceasefire were reported to be wearing Lebanese army uniform.
They were challenged at a roadblock by Hezbollah fighters who opened fire and the Israeli colnel commanding the raiding party was killed.They only just managed to get out alive.
walt

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Foolestroupe - PM
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:27 PM

"Hezbollah wearing Israel Defense Force uniforms"

So who said "All's fair in love and war"?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 09:27 PM

"Hezbollah wearing Israel Defense Force uniforms"

So who said "All's fair in love and war"?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 04:06 PM

Lebanese, actually.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 04:04 PM

Just google "raid 'lebanes army uniforms'" and you have the choice whether you'd rather read it in the Sunday Times, the Washington Post or The New York Times.

click

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 03:09 PM

Care to reveal your source Walt?

I think ya got that a little backwards Pard:


TEL AVIV, Israel — In the least friendly fire imaginable, Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon encountered Hezbollah wearing Israel Defense Force uniforms, the Jewish state's leading investigative news program reported.

During a battle on the evening of August 6 and early hours of August 7, in the town of Hule, an IDF unit found two Hezbollah dressed in Israeli fatigues and helmets in a civilian home. The battlefield commander was forced to order his men to remove the white hats they wear on their helmets to distinguish his men from the enemy.

An embedded reporter, Itai Engel, from the weekly television news series "Uvda" — widely regarded as Israel's equivalent to "60 Minutes" — filmed the battle with a night vision camera.

In an interview yesterday, Mr. Engel said,"There were two of them in one of the houses. The soldiers realized they were wearing army uniforms. They had the helmet cover as well. They were wearing everything the IDF soldiers wear."

The report of Hezbollah in IDF uniforms fighting Israelis shows that Israel's foe has studied the Israel Defense Force closely. The tactic presents a challenge for soldiers trying to fight them; according to Mr. Engel, the house to house fighting was brutal, and the surprise of fighting the enemy in friendly uniforms only added to the fog of war.

The story also serves as another example of the Iranian proxy's predilection for fighting outside the laws of war. Earlier, the Israelis claimed Hezbollah fired rockets into its northern towns and cities from civilian positions, and the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon warned in the first week of fighting that the terrorists were using the U.N. positions as cover.

http://www.nysun.com/article/38156

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 09:06 PM

"The IDF commandos that raided into northern Lebanon after the ceasefire were reported to be wearing Lebanese army uniform."

Hmmmm....

It's OK to tell lies for YWH then?

Muslims seem to think it's OK to tell 'the state' lies...


Both sides equal - all fair then?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: GUEST,walt
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 02:20 PM

The IDF commandos that raided into northern Lebanon after the ceasefire were reported to be wearing Lebanese army uniform.
They were challenged at a roadblock by Hezbollah fighters who opened fire and the Israeli colnel commanding the raiding party was killed.They only just managed to get out alive.
walt

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Old Guy
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 02:08 PM

What does a Hezbollah uniform look like?

Are thay anything like IDF uniforms?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 08:12 PM

Here is the transcript of what I watched last night - from the link Wolfgang gave - and which I could not find at the time I posted.

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Israel releases mistakenly kidnapped men

Australian Broadcasting Corporation (Lateline)

Broadcast: 23/08/2006

Reporter:

Israel has released five men captured at the height of the conflict in Lebanon - after what turned out to be an embarassing case of mistaken identity.

Transcript
TONY JONES: Meanwhile, Israel has quietly released five men captured at the height of the conflict in Lebanon after what turned out to be an embarassing case of mistaken identity. The men were abducted by an elite commando unit three weeks ago during a night-time raid on the Lebanese town of Baalbek. It now appears that Israel had its sights set on the Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, but instead the man they captured was Hassan Nasrallah, the Baalbek shopkeeper. He has been returned home along with his son, and the three other men captured that night.

BILAL NASRALLAH, SHOPKEEPER: TRANSLATION: They thought that I was the son of Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah and this is not true. And then they started saying that we were involved somehow, then their accusations started to become less and less.

MARK REGEV, ISRAELI GOVERNMENT: We just returned them as quickly as we could and I think everyone understood that an honest mistake had happened.

TONY JONES: At least 10 people were killed during the raid on Baalbek.

~~~~~~~~~

Sounds like a war crime to me...

... but then i'm just a foole...

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: bobad
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 07:16 PM

Now, be sure not to overlook the other part of AI's report, Foolestroupe.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 07:09 PM

Wolfgang

I posted that just after the show had finished - I quickly scanned the site, and could not get a transcript - and I am slightly dysnomic at the best of times. I figured that by the time I went to bed shortly after, and woke up this morning, someone else would post the name. At least, posting no name would stop someone claiming I had made it up...

People are highly critical of any alleged 'fact' posted here,and that's a good thing, usually.

And this morning,I worked out how this mistaken identity occurred - that damn phone book they were using to look up the people whose houses they were about to destroy...

And in the show there was an American complaining about the weapons being used to carpet bomb 10 blocks of civilian housing. 600 1000lb guided bombs were rushed thru to Israel by the US at the start of the war. To do that amount of visible damage - one guy told that his 1st floor bedroom looked mostly intact, replied that WAS on the 3rd floor! - to obtain the effect seen with precision guided bombs, you would need at least 1 or 2 for each multi-storey building taken out... no bloody targeting 'accident'!

And Amnesty International is now claiming that Israel deliberately targeted civilian areas. They say that a disproportionate excessive attack in a civilian area is a war crime.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 07:05 PM

Wolfgang

I posted that just after the show had finished - I quickly scanned the site, and could not get a transcript - and I am slightly dysnomic at the best of times. I figured that by the time I went to bed shortly after, and woke up this morning, someone else would post the name. At least, posting no name would stop someone claiming I had made it up...

People are highly critical of any alleged 'fact' posted here,and that's a good thing, usually.

And this morning,I worked out how this mistaken identity occurred - that damn phone book they were using to look up the people whose houses they were about to destroy...

And in the show there was an American complaining about the weapons being used to carpet bomb 10 blocks of civilian housing. 600 1000lb guided bombs were rushed thru to Israel by the US at the start of th war. o do that amount of visible damage - one guy told that his 1st floor bedroom looked mostly intact, replied that WAS on the 3rd floor!

To obtain the effect seen with precision guided bombs, you would need at least 1 or 2 for each multi-storey building taken out... no bloody targeting 'accident'!

And Amnesty International is now claiming that Israel deliberately targeted civilian areas. They say that a disproportionate excessive attack in a civilian area is a war crime.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Barry Finn
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 06:06 PM

"Right person" or "Wrong person" neither should be kidnapping from within either's borders. But both have been & for some time now. Like 2 asshole playing cat & mouse with each other. There was a attempted kidnapping prior to "The Kidnapping" but the response was not in the usuall rule book that both had been following. The response to the last kidnapping was out there. Way out there! The soldiers are still alive, aren't they? How many died on both sides following this response?

Israel should be santioned, & the US should bring this to the UN. The result would have quite the calming effect through out the Mid East.
But no one's interested in calm except for the bording neighbors.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: number 6
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 04:48 PM

I betcha if the IDF had caught the right person (the intended NASRALLAH) there would be a post here in the cat criticizing them for breaking some international rules regarding kidnapping.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: number 6
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 04:39 PM

would it be more humane to take the right person?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Barry Finn
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 03:25 PM

I wasn't aware that Hezbollah took any wrong people.
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 03:07 PM

Terry Waite, British, was 4 years long prisoner of Hezbollah, then named 'Islamic Jihad'.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 02:54 PM

My understanding is that Hezbollah has only gone in for capturing members of the IDF - that understanding may be wrong, but I rather suspect that if they had crossed the border and kidnapped shopkeepers and such we'd have heard a lot about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 02:52 PM

A some weeks old story, but it takes some time until the news get to the other side of the world:

click for short transcript

I'm curious, Foolestroupe, why did you leave out the identity of names? Without that bit of information the story does make less sense.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: Peace
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 02:43 PM

"Ooops! After one of those daring commando raids deep into enemy territory, Israel has returned several guys wrongly captured!"

It happens. I wonder if Hezbollah would have returned the wrong people? One just never knows.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 02:41 PM

I tried your link but do I really have to listen to the entire news hour?

I fast forwarded trying to find the news item you mentioned but found nothing about the Lebanese shopkeeper.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: mack/misophist
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 11:17 AM

Shit happens.

Subject: BS: Lebanon Shopkeeper NOT Hezbollah Leader!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 09:16 AM

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/

Ooops! After one of those daring commando raids deep into enemy territory, Israel has returned several guys wrongly captured!

Seems that mighty Intelligence Service got the wrong goy (typo!) guy!