BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 10:58 AM

An oath is either a promise or a statement of fact calling upon something or someone that the oath maker considers sacred -- usually a god or book representing that god -- as a witness to the binding nature of the promise.

Why would anyone want someone of another faith to swear on a Christian Bible instead of his or her holy book?

And, as pointed out earlier, no book, holy or otherwise, is required.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsibl
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 09:34 AM

Then perhaps a search for

"Elie Wiesel" and "to remain silent"

and

"Edmund Burke" and "triumph of evil"

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsibl
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 09:23 AM

"Why dignify Goode or Falwell or any of these other bigots by taking a stand against them?"

For one christian's opinion, do a web search for "Martin Niemöller"

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: Slag
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 02:04 AM

No, they make "Krabby Patties"!

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: Skivee
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 08:54 PM

or just the outer parts?

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsibl
From: pdq
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 08:45 PM

That's right. And Crustacians are the ones who make all the bread.

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 08:08 PM

Nah, Skivee, the ones with thick exo-skeletons and claws are Christacians.

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: Skivee
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 06:52 PM

MacGrath, I just have to ask if "Chrustians" are the overbearing element of the fundamental Christian community who believe they have a divine right to destroy those who disagree with them?...Or are they the ones with thick exo-skeletons and claws?
I'm just askin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsibl
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 05:13 PM

Which "entire political party" was that Slag? Surely "Rethuglicans" can be taken to refer to a certain section within Republicanism, rather than "an entire political party" - and a section which, it appears, you dislike just as much as Songbob evidently does.

Maybe it's not so much Chrustians who ought to be "speaking out", it's Goode's fellow party members.

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: Slag
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 04:03 PM

Really unfair Songbob. You seek to mischaracterize an entire political party by the paranoia and bigotry of one member. To date I am unaware of anyone one from any party who has aligned themself with Mr. Goode.

The point here is that Freedom of Religion is alive and well in the USA. You are misrepresenting and denigrating Republicans. You commit the fallacy of attributing to the whole what may be true of the part. Surely the Democrats would not want me to believe that you represent what they as a party stand for.

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsibl
From: Songster Bob
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 01:56 PM

The strange thing is that Goode (rhymes with "food") is railing against the use of a Quran in a swearing-in ceremony THAT DOES NOT USE ANY BOOK in the first place. Using a Bible or Quran or Book of Mormon is done in private "photo-op" ceremonies, not the official one, where the Congressmen merely raise their right hands and swear to uphold the Constitution (with its prohibition of a "religious test" for office-holders and all). It's another of those manufactured "vicitimization" incidents the Rethuglicans are so adept at.


Songbob

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: Slag
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 01:30 PM

I'm NOT a liberal Christian! I'm a conservative Christian and Goode's comment make ME shudder. Why taint conservative Christians with his blather and bigotry? In fact why taint Christianity at all with his hate speech?

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 10:59 AM

Joe,

"Why dignify Goode or Falwell or any of these other bigots by taking a stand against them?"

That's an interesting way of looking at it.

Not at all uncommon.

But Shakespeare says it best: "He who steals my purse steals trash, but he who steals my good name steals everything."

If you don't speak out it could be interpreted as your giving tacit consent to the "hijacking" of Christianity.

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsibl
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 10:16 AM

The risk behind not speaking out is that the radical Christian fringes will think themselves justified in calling themselves the "Moral Majority" again. Those holding different views need to be as visible. Speaking out with rational argument does not "dignify" their bigotry, but shows it for what it is.

I hope.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 06:28 AM

Yes, Bush and Bush Sr both did at least once, according to reports, when they pledged Skull and Bones at Yale.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 12:35 AM

So, does Bush swear on "Satan's Bible"?

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsibl
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 07:36 PM

I don't think the Pope would denounce Ian Paisley -- for one thing, Paisley isn't Catholic and for another he'd probably feel both complimented and vindicated.

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsibl
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 07:26 PM

I suppose people are always sounding off in the media about how moderate Muslims ought to denounce extremsist Muslims, totally ignoring the fact that Muslims come in about as many flavours as Christians.

I mean, to shift the context for a moment, what would be the point of complaining if the Pope declined to denounce Ian Paisley? Or, for that matter, congratulating Ian Paisley for denouncing the Pope?

If there are any people in this Goode bloke's particular variety of Christianity who feel moved to speak up against him, that might be relevant.

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 07:25 PM

Representative Good makes me ashamed to be born and raised in Virginia... He is nuthin' but a bigot... He should have been born an hundred years earlier... He would have fit in right well with the Jim Crower and the KKK...

Sadder yet is that there are still alot of folks out there in the hinterlands who haven't made it too far out of the caves themselves who vote for jerls like this...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam-am I responsible?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 05:57 PM

Joe -

It certainly can make a difference if liberal Christians like you speak out about it. I've watched the news in my area, and fully fifty percent of the liberal Christians like you in Kansas have commented publicly about Senator Goode, and when those five or six people speak up people do really notice.

Their comments have brought out a flood of responses from people here (who are not so liberal) telling them to shut the f*ck up!.

From the third introduction in the US Senate, with Senator Brownback (Rep. KS) as co-sponser all three times:

"109th CONGRESS
"1st Session
"S. 520
"To limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.
"IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
"March 3, 2005
"`Sec. 1260. Matters not reviewable

"`Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer or agent of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official or personal capacity), concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.'."

Of course that means THE GOD of Conservative Republicans, I suppose?

Senator Brownback has announced his candidacy to be the next Republican president, and is campaigning actively.

Say hello to the 'merican Taliban.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 05:20 PM

But anyhow, what good would it do for me, a liberal Christian, to speak out against Goode? Now, if Falwell did it, THAT would be something...
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 05:18 PM

November 4

A severe heresy law was enacted in Massachusetts that made death the punishment for any person who persisted in denying that the Holy Scriptures were the word of God, "or not to be attended to by illuminated Christians," 1646

Senatore Goode hasn't got the word yet, that the law was changed. He has a whole lot of company in his ignorance.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 05:16 PM

Odd. I was just sure the First Amendment to the Constitution said something about freedom of religion....

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam
From: GUEST,skipy
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 05:01 PM

too little, far too late!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 04:59 PM

[quote]
In response to inquiries from constituents, Virginia Congressman William Good sent out a letter criticizing the plan of Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the U.S. Congress, to use a Koran for the ceremonial swearing-in of members next year.
"I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America," Goode wrote.
UPI article here (click).

truthout.org columnist William Fisher published an article titled Where Are the Christians, asking why mainstream Christians haven't spoken out against Goode. The implication from Fisher is that since Goode is "one of their own," Christians have a responsibility to condemn him.

I'm sorry, but these right-wing yahoos like Goode have nothing to do with the kind of Christianity I profess. I have no more connection to Goode or responsibility for him than any American atheist has.

What right does Fisher have to blame Goode's actions on all Christians and to demand that Christians take a stand against this idiot? Why dignify Goode or Falwell or any of these other bigots by taking a stand against them?

-Joe Offer-

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Joe doesn't use preview?

John

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Why use preview when you have an edit button?
-Joe Offer, who fixed his mistake-

Subject: BS: Congressman Goode on Islam
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 04:54 PM

In response to inquiries from constituents, Virginia Congressman William Good sent out a letter criticizing the plan of Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the U.S. Congress, to use a Koran for the ceremonial swearing-in of members next year.
"I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America," Goode wrote.
UPI article here (click).

truthout.org columnist William Fisher published an article titled Where Are the Christians, asking why mainstream Christians haven't spoken out against Goode. The implication from Fisher is that since Goode is "one of their own," Christians have a responsibility to condemn him.

I'm sorry, but these right-wing yahoos like Goode have nothing to do with the kind of Christianity I profess. I have no more connection to Goode or responsibility for him than any American atheist has.

What right does Fisher have to blame Goode's actions on all Christians and to demand that Christians take a stand against this idiot? Why dignify Goode or Falwell or any of these other bigots by taking a stand against them?

-Joe Offer-