Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January

Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January
From: GUEST,Sapper on TRU stuck at Kilmarnock
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 05:35 AM

Not heard the programme as I've been away from home this week, yet but I think some e-mails to "Pick Of The Week" on BBC R4 might get some response.
Also, could those with critisisms direct them to R4's "Feedback" so we might get some action?

Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 05:30 AM

You could do worse than become a Mudcat member Dr. Vic.
It contains a vast knowledge base besides the DT.

Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January
From: GUEST,Vic Gammon
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 05:24 AM

Guilty as charged! But how will I ever be famous if the BBC don't even name me? Much more importantly, everyone should know about Margaret Barry and what a wonderful singer she was.

I did a 45 minutes of interview 'down the line' from Newcastle. You never know how these things will be edited up but I think the producer did a pretty good job. Shame about the credits!

Best wishes to all,

Vic Gammon

Dr Vic Gammon
Senior Lecturer in Folk and Traditional Music
Degree Programme Director, BMus in Folk and Traditional Music International Centre for Music Studies
School of Arts and Cultures Armstrong Building
Newcastle University   
Newcastle upon Tyne
NE1 7RU

Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January
From: GUEST,Brian Peters
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 04:41 AM

Ah, the very Larner records you so generously lent me twenty-five or so years ago, Mr. Burl. A Damascene Road moment never to be forgotten!

Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 07:44 AM

I agree with Shimrod, not naming Margaret Barry or Vic Gammon (I'm sure it was he) was disrespectful, and unprofessional. Barry's wonderful voice leapt out of the speakers, and Vic Gammon had some good points to make and made them well. Listeners shoould not have been left wondering who these people were. There was one good side effect: the show made me get out my Barry and Larner records for a splendid couple of hours listening. True greats indeed. Burl.

Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 05:08 AM

"I think some of the criticisms made above, while they have some validity amount to little more than nit picking."

Failure to credit one of the principal presenters and one of the featured singers is, in my book, downright rude and disrespectful. I do not believe that pointing this out is nitpicking!

Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 07:01 PM

Well I really enjoyed it!

It was folk music on Radio 4, something of a rarity, so I'm afraid the criticism says more about the critics, than it does about the programme.

Be constructive for once! I emailed the BBC to say how much I enjoyed the programme - thats the way to go if you want to hear more folk music on Radio 4! (and I did get a reply)

Ian
Nottingham

Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January
From: Tootler
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 06:52 PM

An excellent programme whose basic message was clearly made. I think some of the criticisms made above, while they have some validity amount to little more than nit picking.

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: Forsh
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 03:19 PM

If you missed it, don't forget the 'listen again' feature! I am listning later.. the blurb looks good.

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 02:44 PM

I think that it was shameful that Vic Gammon didn't get a credit! The Beeb sinks to a new low!
At first I thought that I was listening to Martin Carthy - but the voice just didn't sound right. Then it dawned on me who it was!

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: Folkiedave
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 09:49 AM

I'd go so far as to say it was definitely Vic Gammon.

http://www.ncl.ac.uk/sacs/staff/profile/vic.gammon

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: 8_Pints
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 07:49 AM

No Dick, it wasn't Doc Rowe.

Bob vG

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 07:32 AM

a great listen,I wondered if the narrator was doc rowe.
Richard Bridge,have to disagree with you about Dave Bryant,he could tell a story[in that respect he was agood singer,and he had a powerful voice,but in my opinion his gilbert and sullivan style,while appropriate for things like [I live in trafalgar square]and the old dun cow music hall song,was completely inappropriate for TAM LIN.

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: 8_Pints
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 07:03 AM

The commentator was, I think, Vic Gammon who teaches at the Newcastle University Folk Degree Course alongside Sandra Kerr. He was previously based in Sheffield and was resident at Pete Coe's 'Ryburn 3 Step' Folk Club, "The Alma", Cotton Stones, Halifax.

Although short, the programme was 'spot on' with its message I thought!

Pity Margaret Barry wasn't named but she was instantly recognisable to me.

Bob vG

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: Leadfingers
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 06:39 AM

Interesting that Norma only referred to The Watersons as an Unaccompanied Harmony Group , when , as far as 'Live' appearance were concerned they did a lot of guitar / banjo / fiddle stuff as well !
And I agree totally re Margaret Barry , though once you've heard her soing , she doesnt need naming !

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 06:30 AM

I thought it was possibly an interesting half hour programme reduced to a very unsatisfactory quarter of an hour by brutal and unthinking editing. Norma Waterson, for example, paid Margaret Barry a great(and well-deserved compliment) by saying that she (Norma) went from being lost to being found when she first heard Barry. Now, in those circumstances, the programme's conspicuous failure to identify the recording of Margaret Barry was inexcusable. If they hadn't got a good recording of Norma W identifying her, they should have got the narrator to say who it was.
    I haven't got listen again facilities, so I cant give you chaper and verse, but I think there were many many examples of editing which spoiled the flow of things. For example, the section on thre Coppers made little sense, mad irrelvant by non sequitors which I'm sure the original speaker wasnt responsible for.
    Not naming Margaret Barry was a shameful lack of respect. Not even naming the narrator(as far as I noticed) was just plain barmy.
    Pity, because potentially an excellent programme, interesting examples etc etc. A fine concept. spoilt by lack of attention to detail. Probably(knowing the BBC ) the result of lack of budget rather than actual malice!

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: GUEST,Northerner
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 06:12 AM

Thank you for the link. I enjoyed the programme.

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 06:04 AM

Youre right there Eric

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on another computer
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:43 AM

Yes, but I'm not sure I agree with the central thesis that the bel canto voice is a curse in stead of a blessing - think of our own late Dave Bryant.

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:37 AM

Only one criticism, it was too short.

eric

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:27 AM

Yes, I thought it was odd that they didn't identify several of the voices - not only the "expert", but Margaret Barry nor Martin Carthy.

But still a nice listen. Always good to hear Sam Larner on the radio first thing in the morning! Ought to happen every day.

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:25 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/thesingernotthesong/pip/bqnpd

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:13 AM

Here is the link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/thesingernotthesong/pip/bqnpd/

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 05:02 AM

Yes, it was great, but who was that other male voice? At first I thought it must be Martin with a cold but it really didn;t sound like him, and then he referred to Martin in the third person. After hearing Martin sing, the (new) speaking voice was obviously the greatest living Englishman. I particularly liked the Pavarotti/Dylan comparison..........

Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 04:58 AM

Wonderful program with Norma Waterson talking about folk singing with martin Carthy and an un named but perceptive and knowledgeable chap talking about the 50's 60's revival in UK. Margaret Barry, Watersons, Copper Family, Sam Larner excerpts used to illustrate the comments. Use the Listen Again facility on the BBC site. DO IT

Subject: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 04:50 AM

The Singer Not the Song BBC Radio 4 today 9.30- 9.45