BS: best time to plant roses

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: GUEST,Confused Liz the Squeak sans cookie
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 07:03 AM

vermiculite - isn't that a fat worm?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 08:07 PM

vermiculite? Nothing nutritious in it. Next spring you'd better improve the soil around them.

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 09:32 PM

Last spring I bought rose bushes in verticulite (?) with the intention of planting them. I never did but stuck them under a honeysuckle to protect them from the sun.

When the first snow fell, I noticed that the bushes had grown and entwined themselves around the neighbors fence. If they survive the winter, I will have to do something for them. I respect survivors.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 08:46 PM

Nothing suits roses better than some good, well rotted, horse shit.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:15 AM

I "owe" my yard a rose bush--there was a wonderful wild rose in the back next to the sliding door beside the chimney. For a number of reasons I had to dig it out and I didn't get it transplanted successfully.

A friend here in Texas used a rule of thumb that may only apply to Texas but you might want to ask about. He felt that the "antique" roses were more hardy, disease and bug resistant, etc. Whatever color he found in antique roses, those were the ones he would consider. He did a lot of xeriscape gardening on top of that, so they may also be more drought tolerant. Perhaps not a consideration on the soggy Washington coast! :)

Roses do best, are more resistant to bugs and disease, when the bed is properly prepared. For good information on this, visit my guru of organic gardening, Howard Garrett. His sit is at http://www.dirtdoctor.com. If cost is a factor, consider buying one or two of the type you really want, even if they're pricier, then using cuttings from those plants to propagate new plants in coming years. It works very well, and again, Garrett is certain to have information about it because this is a recommendation he occasionally makes on his radio program (which you can listen to on Sunday mornings over the Internet).

Good luck!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: mrdux
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 01:22 AM

my in-house rose expert says you can plant pretty much anytime that the ground isn't frozen or too dry. She suggests three interesting yellow roses: Mermaid, Alister Stella Gray, and Alberic Barbier. Alberic, apparently, is tender in cold climates. A couple places to check out for sources and info: Bramble and Rose in Yachats, Oregon, is right on the coast, very knowledgable and friendly people; also Heirloom Roses in St. Paul, Oregon; and Vintage Gardens in Sebastopol, California.

good luck.

michael

ps -- we've had good success with Jude the Obscure, another David Austin rose with huge pale apricot blossoms and an incredible fragrance.

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 06:09 AM

Lin in Kansas - go to your local nursery and ask them if the have the Koresia (sometimes Korresia) roses.. you'll be bowled over by the fragrance. I had a couple of bushes (both got slaughtered by the heatwaves over the last couple of years) and could sit 6-8 feet away from them and still smell the fragrance. They really will knock your socks off on a hot day.

Now if only I could find a local stockist to replant mine this summer.....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 02:04 AM

Mary, it also depends on what you expect from them. If you're looking for fragrance...well, the yellow varieties frequently aren't.

When we lived in Everett, I had great luck with a batch of the old Gallica roses such as Belle de Crecy (dark purple/pink and gloriously fragrant), the Apothecary Rose (red/pink), and the David Austin roses such as Brother Cadfael (huge! pink) and the Graham Thomas (yellow, and not much smell even though they say there is). The link has a section where you can search for roses by color and see pictures of them.

Here in Kansas, where as you might imagine, the weather is a bit more variable, I've had success with an orange/tangerine climber called (I think...) Westchester--absolutly gorgeous, smells great, and climbs like a monkey.

As others have said above, yellow roses are not nearly as hardy as most of the other colors. Talking to your local nursery about what works best in your area is highly recommended. A lot of the Jackson & Perkins roses are fairly hardy in your mild climate, also.

There are so many gorgeous flowers, it's hard to pick just one or two. Don't be "locked into" only looking at climbing roses, either--a lot of the "shrub" roses will get more than high enough to line a fence. I have to prune some of mine to keep them out of the nearby trees!

Good luck. Enjoy, and show pictures!

Lin

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: skipy
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 06:45 PM

04.13 & 23.8 secs.
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 06:25 PM

If you want a fragrant bush rose, look out for something called 'Koresia' - it's an intense, custard yellow with a fragrance out of all proportion to its size.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: Scrump
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:56 AM

About 10 a.m., I reckon. Gives you time for a leisurely breakfast first, and you should be finished in time for lunch at the pub afterwards :-)

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 09:16 AM

My roses were doing great until about four years ago, when a wretched insect called thrips came along. Science hasn't developed any workable control for thrips.

If you have thrips in your area, then avoid the white and pink roses you spoke of. The lighter the flowers, the more thrips are attracted to them.

There is an order of hardiness in roses, depending on the color of flower. This is it, from best to worst:

red
white and pink. darker pinks are better
yellow
lavender

If I were you, I would go the library and start reading and requesting books on roses before putting in a whole fence line of roses.

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: jeffp
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 07:03 AM

A call to a local nursery should provide you with all the information you need in the shortest possible time.

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: Janie
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 06:44 AM

Check for disease resistance before you decide on rose varieties, unless you are willing to spray weekly with some pretty environmentally unfriendly chemicals. Yellow roses tend to be even more susceptible to black spot than others. I don't know if rust is a problem where you are. If you must have yellow, consider "Lady Bank's' rose. An old garden rose with terrific disease resistance, a prolific grower, and easy to root from cuttings if you want to buy one and start the rest of them yourself. It blooms only in spring.

Suggest you go to your local library and research before deciding on what kind of roses to plant, especially if you are talking about a whole line of them. For disease resistance, consider 'landscape' roses such as the Knock-Out or Explorer series. Don't rely on catolgue descriptions regarding disease resistance.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 24 Jan 07 - 04:46 AM

I have tiny yellow roses flowering in my garden now, in the snow.

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: JennieG
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 10:47 PM

mg, when you have them covering your back fence will you send me a bunch please? I love yellow roses, but have had no luck growing roses at all.

I'm sure a bunch of roses would travel to Oz!

Cheers
JennieG

Subject: RE: BS: best time to plant roses
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 06:16 PM

I don't know if it's available in the US but the best selling yellow climbing rose in the UK is called (yes, this is absolutely true....) Golden Showers and the best times to plant them are late autumn (November in the UK) and spring (late Feb to March).

Plant before the first frosts or when the worst frosts are over.

LTS

Subject: BS: best time to plant roses
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 23 Jan 07 - 03:35 PM

Very coastal washignton state usa. I want a whole back fence of yellow roses, and some pink and white in front yard. Money is tight. I saw an ad for Mellow Yellow roses and boy were they pretty. Does anybody grow them or recommend some yellow fragrant roses, some that climb, some lower. mg