BS: A hypothetical question

Subject: BS: A hypotheticsl question
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 May 19 - 06:55 PM

Just out of interest,

In the event of someone being sanctioned by DWP for whatever reason, and as a result the person who was sanctioned commits a crime against an innocent person, then should the innocent person have the right to kick the proverbial out of the person who applied the sanction? If not, why not? Or alternatively why shouldn't the individual who applies sanction be personally liable for the impact of their actions?

Subject: RE: BS: A hypotheticsl question
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 May 19 - 07:05 PM

I kept trying to figure out why anyone would be sanctioned by the Department of Water and Power - watering their garden on the wrong day? The Los Angeles DWP had a rather seedy reputation at one time. It may have been the most powerful government entity in Southern California for a while.

But I suppose this is the UK Department of Work and Pensions. What do they sanction people for?

Two peoples, separated by a common language....

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: A hypotheticsl question
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 May 19 - 07:21 PM

it could be anything as trivial as arriving ten minutes late for an appointment, or having the audacity of being taken ill on the day. those in power argue that punitive measures are needed in order to 'discipline' benefit claimant, but fail to realise that if they lose their legal safety net, then by virtue of the need to eat and pay rent they may resort to illegal means. If it means they get caught up in drugs trade, then if that person resort to knife crime, then surely the DWP officers (Uk) should also be charged as accessories to murder. I do not know if US has a similarly punitive regime. The point I am trying to get at is that should the jobsworths be held to account for the knock on effects in society of their actions. Again, if not, why not?

Subject: RE: BS: A hypotheticsl question
From: DMcG
Date: 08 May 19 - 03:46 AM

The UK DWP can be very strange. On one occasion my daughter has to attend to claim Job seekers allowance but had an interview for a job at the same time, so could she change it? No. You turn up or you are sanctioned. Sanctioned too often and you arw disqualified. Change the time of the job interview or abandon it, but tou have to sww the DWP as planned.

Subject: RE: BS: A hypotheticsl question
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 May 19 - 05:20 AM

I had that job interview problem many years ago. They got mildly snotty when I pointed out that the very person who was accusing me was the person who arranged the interview! Barely a hint of contrition. They can't tick two boxes at once, don't ya know! But the sanctions in those days were initially verbal and there was an admission that repeat offenders were the correct target. It has got more authoritarian with this government.

It is inevitable when you target the "street smart offender" that the genuine and naive get hit.

I wonder why it changed its name from DHSS ??????

Subject: RE: BS: A hypotheticsl question
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 08 May 19 - 11:26 AM

I assume that her JSA wasn't raised to the level of what the employer would have paid.

Subject: RE: BS: A hypotheticsl question
From: DMcG
Date: 08 May 19 - 12:06 PM

She didn't get JSA at all. As her previous job was in Portugal they classified her as EU not UK and so had no entitlement for six months. But she still has to sign to prove she was in the UK for the requisite period. This dispite being born in the UK to UK parents and living in the UK for the first 15 years or so. But a year or two working abroad overrode that.

Subject: RE: BS: A hypotheticsl question
From: DMcG
Date: 08 May 19 - 12:07 PM

First 25 years...

Subject: RE: BS: A hypothetical question
From: Donuel
Date: 10 May 19 - 02:18 PM

So those in the EU are humans and those in the UK are...non humans?

Subject: RE: BS: A hypothetical question
From: Iains
Date: 10 May 19 - 02:43 PM

https://thirdforcenews.org.uk/tfn-news/dwp-rejects-plan-to-stop-sanctioning-most-vulnerable

This hit the headlines very recently.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/woman-who-wrongly-stripped-pension-16249553

The system is in dire need of checks and balances.