BS: Sorry for England

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Les from Hull
Date: 26 Jun 04 - 01:23 PM

One thing hasn't been satisfactorily explained for me. Just how did Wayne Rooney break his foot? Was he just running along and his boot came off and 'ping' went his metatarsal? Or did the Portugese defender who was running alongside him accidentally stomp on his foot? If so, isn't that a penalty? (It doesn't matter about the penalty because Beckham would've missed anyway.)

That Campbell 'goal' was perfectly fair in my opinion. Of course Terry and Campbell were in the place that the goalkeeper needed to be in to make the save. But they're not going to move away are they?

Whatever caused the referee to make the decision he did was not based on a good view - he was too far away to see. The view that the referee had was very different to the view that TV cameras had. Possibly the referee's assistant had a better view, and he seemed happy with the goal. For the referee to assume that there must have been something wrong with the goal, or to accept the Portuguese goalie's version was very poor refereeing.

We always end up having poor refeering at these championships. EUFA and FIFA should appoint a panel of good professional referees and assistants, loan them to national leagues in between championships, and provide them with the best training from aclaimed referees who have retired. I'm sure that they can afford it. They should stop pampering to National Associations to make sure that referees are chosen by ability rather than nationality.

Of the game itself I thought a draw was a fair result, and given my built in bias towards England, that probably means that Portugal deserved their victory.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Hrothgar
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 12:47 AM

Bit of a problem with the rugby, too, chaps, even tough England were about 40 points better than last time at that venue.

Lots of pressure on Tim Henman now.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 03:21 PM

Have you seen Holland? It was the fifth time their national team was in a penalty shooting since there are penalty shootings in the European and the World cup and it was the first time they did win. So there's hope even for England. Perhaps next time.

Wolfgang (pondering what is worse: lacking luck or lacking ability)

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Laurent
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 04:34 PM

Ard Macha

Unfortunatly or us I was right. I fear there was 22 greek players on grass last friday. Only our goal keeper tried to preserve French honour.

Pires said : "It doesn't matter if we don't score in style. The best thing is to win the day!"

If only our team has played against Greece!

We have to wonder why the five favourite teams are back home now : France, Italy, Spain, England and Germany.

If Greece win the final match, it might be a consolation fot us.

You can't win if you don't want to.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Tom Hamilton
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 10:46 PM

I am on holiday here in Australia, and that was the best bloody news I heard all day, that England are out. I beat the greeting faced English bampots were on televison and they were make excuses as always.
Mind you they should of been kicked out of the Euro2004 because they can't/won't control their so called fans.

So now maybe we both here in Scotland/Australia can watch real footballers instead of greeting faced ones.

And I heard that England got beat at the rugby.

Oh I am really enjoying myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 02:27 AM

Dear Tom,I forgive you because you're a Scot, and therefore a professional no-hoper. Misery loves company they say.
Cheers,   Ooh-Aah.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: sledge
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 02:48 AM

When someone (wow a Scot, fancy that) has to take pleasure in the failiure of others, its a sad reflection on their own teams obvious lack of success.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 04:32 AM

As you're in celebratory mood Tom, get that padlock off your sporran, the drinks are on you.

Tom!, Tom!, wake up Tom! Honestly, ask a Scotsman to buy a round and he passes out!

Scotland - real footballers? a contradiction in terms surely. Make the most of your enjoyment at Englands defeat Tom, as you won't get any enjoyment at Scotland's success.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 05:42 AM

Les, if the ref saw Terry's arm over the keeper's shoulder (which is where it was) he was entitled to call that a foul. Replays indicate that he blew his whistle before Sol scored, but for me the killer detail was the way Terry sneaked a glance at the ref.

One point that's not been made by any pundit or catter as far as I've seen: James's lousy distribution. It consists entirely of 75-yard punts up the middle. He hardly ever rolled or threw it out to defenders to take it up the field or made a quick pportunistic pass to start a break. This didn't show up so much when Rooney was around, but when it wsa Owen and Vassell, they were simply bundled off the ball if they got to it at all, meaning Portugal finished up with possession every time. In my view Heskey (yes, Heskey!) was the logical replacement for Rooney, with Vasell coming on late, as usual, (probably for Owen) when other legs were tired.

Another point never mentioned: I cringed when Vassell walked up to the penalty spot. If a striker is not prepared to go in the first five, best to leave him out until there's no-one else left.

Three times England have moaned about freaky situations that cost them results, yet in all three games they led 1-0. It's time they realised that there's a message there.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,BanjoRay
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 07:21 AM

Oh dear - it's the end of the wonderful new scheme to mark out cars with bad drivers by mounting flags on them. The accident rate will increase.
Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Firecat
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 03:01 PM

I was furious!!! The referee was biased all the way through. There was nothing wrong with Sol Campbell's goal. I think that it's time we got referees on the touchline with TV monitors to back up decisions, like they have in rugby.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 03:23 PM

EUFA have seen the videos, Firecat, and they back the ref's decision (as I do).

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 29 Jun 04 - 07:56 AM

I see so it is all right to hold a goal keeper down and stop him jumping! I will remember that!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 29 Jun 04 - 08:32 AM

It's absolutely clear on the slo-mo. Terry jumps first, and he jumps straight up. His arms go up because it's physically impossible to jump high without using the arms to add 'spring'. The lowering of the arms at or around the top of the jump is also something physically impossible to avoid. The keeper jumps second and jumps towards Terry who is by now descending, resulting in his shoulder locking under Terry's armpit. If anyone was fouled it was Terry. The only people who can't see it are jealous Scotsmen and Irishmen, and referees who are under instruction from UEFA to make sure that the Host Nation goes through.

Physical contact in Soccer is not, despite what many believe, an automatic foul.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Big Tim
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 02:23 AM

Ricardo, the Portuguese goalkeeper, acted his way to getting the Campbell "goal" disallowed, and he outpsyched the English penalty missers: walking up to the spot, delaying things, etc. He did the exact same thing for Boavista against Celtic in the EUFA cup last year. He's a good psychologist but he's a cheat: but then he's not alone there.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 03:18 AM

Please,lads you have me in tears, if your good enough you can beat the ref, ask Celtic they have been doing it in Scotland from their inception.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Big Tim
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:56 AM

Ard, Celtic didn't beat Bobby Davidson (from Airdrie, need I say more!), when he blew the final whistle in the 1973 League Cup final just as a Celtic shot was in mid-air for the net!

Re the Campbell "goal", it was a decision that could have gone either way. I've watched it a dozen times and still can't make up my mind whether it was a deliberate foul or not. The ref has to decide, instantly, without benefit of replay. I do think though that it was a bit of a home town decision.                                       

I think we need to stop games now and look at the film of contentious situations. This would also cut out all the jersey pulling at corners, etc. If these guys knew that were being filmed and a penaly would result, they would soon stop. Oh, and I'd also scrap the offside rule!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:55 PM

Goodbye Dick Advocatt let the Dutch get a manager who restores their attacking flair, Portugal were streets ahead and it would have been an injustice had this insipid Dutch side scraped a draw.
Luis Figo was brilliant, the man of the match.
And yes Tim, scrap the offside law a hindrance to entertainment, the last time they tried to scrap it, would you believe Sir Stanley Rous then the English FA offical on FIFA, vetoed the move.

Ihat poor Swiss Referee is really having it bad after disallowing Campbell`s header, he is now under police protection after receiving death threats from English fans, it really is the beautiful game.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 06:10 PM

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Ihat poor Swiss Referee is really having it bad after disallowing Campbell`s header, he is now under police protection after receiving death threats from English fans
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What a disgrace.

I don't agree with his decision, but this is going too far.

It would serve football right if there were no referees. That would make everybody think. Referees don't deserve this disgusting approach.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 03:56 AM

Drop it, lads---England were [at best!] the second-worst team in the contest. They were outplayed by both France and Portugal. Have a mere glance at the statistics--corners, shots at goal, possession.....
   They are home, they know where they were lacking, and they will come back, never fear.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: alanabit
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 03:09 AM

The fact that England nearly stole a fluke result against France and Portugal can not hide the fact that they were thoroughly outplayed in both games. Justice was done. In the long run, it would probably have done England more good if they had suffered the heavy defeat which Portugal's superiority merited. It might have taught them never to play like that again. The loss of Wayne Rooney (even though it was a deliberate foul) was no excuse for failing to take the game to the opposition. There was still a world class striker on the pitch and Beckham and Gerrard (untypically) seemed to have forgotten he was there. What gives England the divine right to expect they will always have the luxury of playing with two world class finishers? Most countries make do without even one.
The crowd did not see the foul on Rooney - indeed the referee gave a free kick against him for being improperly equipped. (His boot was off). To some extent he was a victim of his own guts in trying to stay upright, when most players with a broken metatarsal would have gone straight over. When all is said and done, you have to be prepared for that sort of thing when you play against the host nation in front of a partisan crowd. Contrast England's attitude with that of the Czechs, who lost Pavel Nedved last night, yet never gave up trying to take the game forward.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Big Tim
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 03:25 PM

England weren't "thoroughly outplayed" by either France or Portugal. Both these games went pretty much down to the wire.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 04 - 04:37 AM

For all the Englsih folk out there 'always look on the bright side of life.

And at lest we won a Cup for qulifying 5 times in a row and then after that Scotland were voted the Best supporters in Europe, at lest we don't riot when we Lose. I think that we qulifyied 8 times for the world Cup, how many times did england qulifey. you hosted the world cup so you didn't qulify for that and then as you keep reminding us all that in 1966 you won the world cup so didn't need to qulify for Mexico in 1970.

So I think that Scotland has done no bad for a wee country.


And I also I agree with Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: alanabit
Date: 03 Jul 04 - 07:12 AM

A father entered his daughter's bedroom and saw a letter on the bed. With the worst premonition, he read it with trembling hands.

Dear Mum and Dad,

It is with great regret and sorrow that I'm telling you that I've eloped with my new boyfriend. I've found real love and he is so nice. Especially with all his piercings, scars, tattoos, and his big motorcycle. But it's not only that, I'm pregnant, and Ahmed said that we will be very happy in his trailer in the woods. He wants to have many more children with me and that's one of my dreams.

I've learned that marijuana doesn't hurt anyone and we'll be growing it for us and his friends. They're the one's providing us with all the cocaine and ecstasy we could ever want. In the meantime, we'll pray for science to find the AIDS cure, so Ahmed gets better. He deserves it.

Don' t worry about money. Ahmed has arranged for me to be in films that his friends Leroy and Jamal make in their basement. Apparently I can earn £50 a scene. I get a £50 bonus if there are more than three men in the scene, and an extra £100 if they use the horse.

Don't worry Mum. Now I'm 15 years old, I know how to take care of myself. Someday I'll visit you and Dad so that you can meet your grandchildren.

Your loving daughter,

Aimee







p.s: Dad, it's not true. I'm watching TV at a neighbour's house. I just wanted to show you that there are worse things in life than ENGLAND GETTING BEAT ON F*CKING PENALTIES AGAIN,.

I love you.

Aimee

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Jul 04 - 09:19 AM

I wonder if the Guest above is any relation of John from Hull.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jul 04 - 01:06 AM

you got beat and that's that nae excuses.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 03:04 PM

Sad news for England football fans. Fabio Capello has just resigned as England manager. The FA confirmed that the Italian will leave with immediate effect today Wednesday.

No reason given at this stage.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 05:40 PM

Why 'sad', Bluesman? He has had his head for 4 years without conspicuous success. I have never liked the idea of foreign managers for England; especially when their mastery of English is as limited as Capello's. I look forward to some success under an English manager. Redknapp? Probably ~ or maybe Pearce, brought up from the Under-21s? Either could do a good job.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 07:04 PM

It would appear he resigned over the action the F,A. took regarding John Terry. How can you strip the captaincy­ without undermining the manager ?

I liked him Michael, Capello is one of the most successful coaches in­ world football.I doubt Harry Redknapp will be installed, his team is up there in the top three.Pep Guardiola would be the bestchoice for the England job.

I cannot say I totally agree with Mr. Capello's­ stance re: John Terry but at least he had the courage­ of his convictions in his disagreement with the F.A.­ and stood by them and his resignation is obviously one­ of principle. At the end of the day Terry is innocent­ until proven guilty - the F.A. seemed to prove him­ guilty before the trial. I have no thoughts regarding­ Terry whatsover so this is not written as a supporter­ of him. My support in football.

I would like to see Trevor Brooking in the job, a true gentleman.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 12:28 AM

I agree with you, Bluesman, that Capello had a genuine grievance re the lack of consultation over Terry, & like you admire the stand he took. It is a pity he should have left over such a matter, & will accept your 'sad' from that pov. But I do not regard his departure as such as occasion for sadness for the England team. Time for a change.

Let us just wait & see who it will be. I do hope it will be an Englishman [or at least a Brit ~ O'Neill or Fergie {in my dreams!} could be OK], as a matter of cred & image ~~ has always seemed to me a pity when a country can't produce a manager from its own resources & has to go cap-in-hand abroad. Agree Brooking could be good, personality-wise; but has he the requisite managerial experience, do you think?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 12:33 AM

'Brooking was a popular choice as [caretaker] manager at Upton Park by the fans but he had earlier decided management was too much pressure and will hence be forever known as the "best manager West Ham never had".' wiki
.,,.

Appears from this that he probably wouldn't want the job, as he doesn't seem to like management & prefers punditry.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 12:35 AM

Could Jack Charlton possibly be in the running, do you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 05:01 AM

I agree wholeheartedlywith you Michael, I would also like to see a home grown manager such as Pearce. Jack Charlton is a great character, but like myself too many birthdays. Stuart Pearce is currently in charge of the under­ 21 England Team, I do hope the FA do not make the same­ mistake with him as they did with Brian Clough.


Sadly there are deep failings in English football today . The current international crop may look good winning against lesser opposition in qualifying but have been made an embarrassment in recent major tournaments.

At least the FA had the decency to allow the courts to­ decide Redknapp's guilt or otherwise, they most­ certainly didn't do that for John Terry. I hope­ Terry takes them collectively and/or severally to the­ courts for disregard of his basic human rights and sues­ them to hell and beyond.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 05:12 AM

Surely Diego Armando Maradona would be the best candidate.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 05:19 AM

He has his hands full Bonzo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 07:35 AM

Sod Football! I bet the BBC News have devoted the majority of its time to football related items this past week. Ridiculous!
Also, whoever named football "The Beautiful Game" got it totally wrong.
"The Ugly Game" is a far better description!
And, talk about the opium of the people!
Let's the people thinking about anything but the really important issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 08:12 AM

Good call Michael, Stuart Pearce will take charge of the England team for the friendly against Holland on February 29, Football Association chairman David Bernstein has just confirmed.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 09:29 AM

hi

Capello maybe failed as regards England Football is concerned but it was very successful for Cappello ?? I heard the figure of £24 Million mentioned that he made in 4 years.

No success at all.....maybe he be awarded a huge bonus ???? !!

The problem with the England job is that it has become a poisoned chalice.

Of the names being mentioned on this thread as a possible successor (success judged by results) I am at a loss to confidently suggest anyone except for Ferguson but as someone has already said, he has too many miles on the clock.

Of the younger guys I am impressed by Brendan Rogers and Roberto Martinez ( tho his team Wigan are not doing well at all at the moment).

if I had to make a bet on who will get the long-term post it would have to be 'arry Rednap.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 11:53 AM

My money would go on Pearce as Michael already suggested.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Raedwulf
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 04:15 PM

I wouldn't like to see Brooking in charge. He lacks managerial experience, there's no evidence he has any sort of tactical nous that would enable him to make a decent job of it.

Most importantly, the scumbag English will ultimately rip him apart because the only thing they ultimately care about is writing a story. Doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative, just so long as they can be as extreme as possible. Preferably with the biggest possible swing from one day to the next.

Do you really want to see him subjected to that?

As for dodgy Del Boy 'Arry, how could he manage England? There's no buying or selling involved...

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Raedwulf
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 04:16 PM

Sorry, I meant to say "the scumbag English *media*". I sometimes wish Mudcat had an Edit button on posts! :o

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 07:31 AM

I feel a bit sorry for Fabio Capello he has just has one of those faces (or I am just soft) I can understand why he just wants to get out. Lets hope that if an English manager is selected we get the results come Euro 2012. Constant coverage of Rednapp seems to suggest that he is favourite to land the job.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Den
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 08:20 AM

Doesn't matter who gets the job England don't have the horses to win any race for the foreseeable future.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Den
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 10:32 AM

. missing from my post above.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 12:23 PM

The prospect of another summer of watching England snatching defeat from the jaws of success signally fails to amuse.

I could suggest a new motto for them....."We're British, by God, and We'll Fail".

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 01:13 PM

Check this out!
Steven Gerrard ( ex-England captain ) prosecuted for beating someone up in a bar. ( all his mates pleaded guilty) Gerrard was found not guilty by a Liverpool jury.
Rio Ferdinand (Ex-England captain) missed a drug test and banned for a number of matches.
John Terry ( ex-captain) well ...
Harry Rednap - probable future manager - prosecuted for tax evasion. ( Many feel his popularity and charm saved him from prison).
What a great bunch of role models!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Brian May
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 01:24 PM

Just got back from a week in Egypt . . .

Did I miss a football match?

What a bonus :o)

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:06 PM

Why oh why, do people who don't like football keep coming on threads like this to tell us so?

As if we should give a 2d-damn what they think about it ~~ or about anything else either, the stupid, boring farts...

I know what ~~ I think I'll go on the

BS: Healing thoughts & prayers please

thread to say I don't believe in the healing power of prayer --

or on the Don MacLean's guitar thread to say what a boring singer I think he was ...

... except that I won't ~~ because it would be EXTREMELY RUDE AND UNMANNERLY to do so.

So, all you football-haters, stay away from here, please.

We don't care what you think ~~

but we do care that there should be so many such filthy-mannered yobboes on this forum at all.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:11 PM

Ignore them Michael.

Tunesmith "John Terry ( ex-captain) well ...
Harry Rednap - probable future manager - prosecuted for tax evasion".

Gerrard was found not guilty.

Harry Rednap found not guilty.

John Terry yet to be found guilty.

Hope this helps unless you know something we don't ?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:12 PM

And 100.