BS: Newlywed Advice?

Subject: RE: BS: Newlywed Advice?
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 12:01 AM

hesperis - "I tried to join outward bound in high school because when I was a kid I was ALWAYS up a tree and I loved it the one time we actually went camping. I was sick so often that I couldn't get to enough meetings to be able to go on the trip. I also couldn't afford a sleeping bag. So that never happened which is probably just as well since I'm allergic to the Great Outdoors."

I'm outta here, honey. You are totally full of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Newlywed Advice?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 12:23 AM

What about working as an instrument man for a surveyor? That can be adventurous depending on what kind of area he would be working in. I worked as a rod man (woman) for a surveyor for a few months a while back. We were working in a gorgeous mountainous part of western Maryland, and we were outside hiking around in scenery people pay money to see, and getting paid to do it. Is he good at math?

Subject: RE: BS: Newlywed Advice?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 12:34 AM

She's not full of shit, dianavan. I know hesperis personally. I've spent a fair amount of time with her in person, face to face, and while it may sound a bit difficult to believe, I have all of the same health problems that hesperis has, and some of the same brain wiring problems as Steve. And I know from personal experience that they are very much not full of shit. I've been sick since I was fifteen years old. When I was in my thirties, I was forced to go on a Social Security (SSI) disability pension, and I lived on that for about ten years. During quite a bit of that time I was barely able to get out of bed. It's pretty damned impossible to get an SSI disability pension if you don't have a legitimate ailment. I even had to get thoroughly evaluated by a psychiatrist and a psychologist to determine that I wasn't crazy or malingering.

There really are people in the world who have exactly the kind of problems that hesperis and Steve say they have. I know because I'm one of them. Lucky for you that you aren't.

Subject: RE: BS: Newlywed Advice?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 12:45 AM

Sorry -- I can't get past "...since he's capable of killing people..."! I'm afraid to ask what basis you have for that statement, and how you're able to let it drop so offhandedly.

This is *way* beyond anything I want to remain involved in.

Subject: RE: BS: Newlywed Advice?
From: hesperis
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 01:01 AM

He's a black belt and learned how to actually kill people or highly maim them from his particular karate school. Becoming a black belt is the only thing he's ever truly succeeded in doing... Which is why he'd probably be a great stuntman in films. He hasn't killed people but would definitely be dangerous if left to become delinquent, which is what happens when you don't fit and nobody cares that you don't fit.

This discussion has polarized to the point where it's only a bunch of arguing between people who think that people can't possibly have problems like this and people who've had those problems and can therefore understand.

We're doing what we can now. Over and out.

Subject: RE: BS: Newlywed Advice?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 09:37 AM

I know some of you good folks are pretty alarmed. What Hes refers to a couple of times-- starting to work on the real issues-- she's serious.

A couple of us are working together to network our way to good programs and approaches in Hesperis and Steve's area. It's all in PMs so it can avoid all the arguing, but we've been able to communicate some tough realities and, so far, these have been received well.

Some promising leads are coming to light and I think Hesperis is actually following up on them and will continue to do so. She's writing in this thread somewhat in shorthand, so people are not always understanding what she's saying in the way she means it.

I think it makes sense to let the thread drop now and let these kids get down to work on the hard stuff these programs will be asking of them.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Newlywed Advice?
From: LilyFestre
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 05:46 PM

Hey Hesperis,

    PM me anytime, k?

Michelle