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Subject: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 19 Oct 01 - 01:16 PM The possibility of a Gathering early in 2002 has been considered. One OPTION is as follows YHA RENT A HOSTEL SCHEME This gives exclusive use of a whole hostel. The most central suitable hostel is LLANGOLLEN 130 Beds plus lounges dining rooms kitchens COST If half full £15 pp for weekend If full £7.50!! Availability 4/5 JAN and 11/12 JAN 25% deposit in 2 weeks of reservation. Sliding scale of cancellation charges. View hostel at yha.org.uk NB Coach House part of hostel available on its own (56 beds) at a cost of approx £12.50 pp ie same attendance as Llanstock Comments please John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Gareth Date: 19 Oct 01 - 01:49 PM Sounds good to me - and I promise I won't sing ! Gareth |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Diva Date: 19 Oct 01 - 01:49 PM Bill mentioned the Lakes in Feb. I'm already booked up for those to weeks with field trips at Uni. Kathy |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Wyrd Sister Date: 19 Oct 01 - 01:52 PM Which weekend is Plough Stots next year? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 19 Oct 01 - 01:54 PM Diva - Second possibility is Langdale in Lakes but less than 100 beds and further from South. However Langdale available all weekends in Jan except 25/26 There is no other availability. John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Diva Date: 19 Oct 01 - 01:56 PM Fair enough John......well you guys are just going to have to come to Hawick for the New Year. Kathy |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John J Date: 19 Oct 01 - 02:05 PM Hawick looks like a lovely place for a bash. On the other hand, there aren't many places I won't go for a lot of beer and a sing! John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: MudGuard Date: 19 Oct 01 - 02:47 PM Llangollen is a very nice hostel, I stayed there in August 2000 during my cycling trip in Wales. It is a bit outside of the village (there's a light railway in Llangollen). As in most UK youth hostel, self-catering kitchen is available. I can't yet say whether I will be able to come - but I sure want to! Or are foreigners not allowed? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Lanfranc Date: 19 Oct 01 - 03:41 PM No Mudcatter is a foreigner, MudGuard! Only xenophobia is alien to us! Llangollen could be chilly, but I bet it could be warmed. Other commitments permitting, I could be there. 100 Mudcatters in one building - can we have a limit on melodeons? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: MudGuard Date: 19 Oct 01 - 03:51 PM I think a twelve-mile limit might be enough! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: MudGuard Date: 19 Oct 01 - 03:51 PM I think a twelve-mile limit might be enough ;-) |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Nynia Date: 19 Oct 01 - 04:17 PM Ah Diva, you old Archiver you!!!! Fancy offering to turn your house into a youth hostel for new year - how kind. But is this not a case of supererogation on your part??? And have you asked Molly??? LOL Nyn. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 19 Oct 01 - 04:29 PM Mudguard you are of course welcome anytime!! The dates available are not ideal by any means and if there is insufficient support (min say 30 Catters) then I suggest a reservation for October 2002 when Rent a Hostel becomes available again after the summer. This restriction only applies to Youth Hostels.Other establishments charge much much more in season of course. Great Music to you all.John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Noreen Date: 19 Oct 01 - 04:41 PM 12th and 26th Jan weekends are other musical weekends which will remove an unspecified number of potential mudcatters, including me. (Can't see Jan 4th getting many takers either). I liked the idea of Langdale on the first weekend in February - are you saying that that is no longer available, John? Don't want to sound negative, I think it's a great idea, and hope we can sort out a time and place suitable to a lot of people. Noreen |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 19 Oct 01 - 04:46 PM Thats right Noreen - Dates quoted are all that are available. Hence my suggestion for Oct if it is to be held at a Youth Hostel. Better have a larger Gathering 8 months later. John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: MudGuard Date: 19 Oct 01 - 04:52 PM Even if it were in Llangollen in October, it could still be called Llanstock as both Llanfair Caereinion and Llangollen start with Llan. But we should ask Bron's permission for using the term... |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 19 Oct 01 - 04:53 PM We could go from Llangollen to Llanfair - Make a week of it!! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Noreen Date: 19 Oct 01 - 05:01 PM It would be a shame to take over an established weekend- as I saw it, it was to be an additional gathering, not a hijack! :0) |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 19 Oct 01 - 05:10 PM No intention of a take over :0) Assuming Bron hosts Llanfair 3 - which I sincerly hope she does - then October is effectively ruled out for any other function other than for masochists. John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: nutty Date: 19 Oct 01 - 05:16 PM Lovely idea but remember Geordie ..... Youth Hostel accommodation is in bunk-beds in mixed dormatories. Some people may prefer not to get quite that close to their fellow mudcatters (hum) While there are some advantages ..... I could write a thesis on the disadvantages |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 19 Oct 01 - 05:22 PM Point taken entirely Nutty.Many people will not go to a Hostel whatever the date. This was simply the first option for a Gathering. No doubt more salubrious ideas will be forthcoming if YHA does not appeal. John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Llanfair Date: 19 Oct 01 - 05:24 PM John, I chose October because most festivals and gatherings are over by then. It would seem, however, that the dates in October next year are already occupied by an event. I can't plan that far ahead. Llangollen is 45 minutes drive from here, so a winter/spring gathering there would be nice. Are these places heated in the winter? Cheers, Bron. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 19 Oct 01 - 05:39 PM Bron - Lovely central heating just like a hospital.All other mod cons. The Coach house part of the hostel has 56 beds in 9 bedrooms as follows 5x2 Beds; 1x7 beds; 1x10 beds ; 1x11 beds and 1x18 beds. If Llanfair is anything to go by everyone will want the 18 bed dorm!!. Will give you a call tomorrow. Cheers John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Diva Date: 19 Oct 01 - 06:02 PM Nyn,what is superrewhateveritwas????? Is this one of your fancy ICS terms. We are a bit more down to earth in Archiving as you know.LOL And Molly could lead the singing!!!! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Matthew Edwards Date: 19 Oct 01 - 06:12 PM Llangollen or Langdale both appeal, they both are great places. Personally I'd prefer Langdale simply on the grounds that the Lake District mountains are more interesting walking than the Berwyns or the Clwydian hills. But I'll go with the consensual opinion. There should be B&B's, or self-catering accommodation in both places for those who can't stand the thought of dormitories. Thanks Geordie for starting the ball rolling on this. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Gareth Date: 19 Oct 01 - 06:30 PM Mudgard - No problems on nationality - Youth Hostels in Wales welcom the Saxons !! Gareth |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Linda Kelly Date: 19 Oct 01 - 07:06 PM Given that it took John and I about 8 hours to get to Llanfair from Hull I anticipate that in order to get to Llangollen in January, then we ought to start making tracks next week. Lake District sounds nice though. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Morticia Date: 19 Oct 01 - 07:11 PM sounds good to me, either one. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 Oct 01 - 07:11 PM I'm up for it, any one of those weekends is good at the moment. But remember that the second weekend in Jan is usually the Whittlesey Straw Bear weekend so that may knock a few people out of the running. LTS and probably Manitas too..... |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 19 Oct 01 - 09:10 PM I have just got in from work, (I work nights).This sounds great, wherever & whenever it is, I will book both weekends off work tomorrow.I will sleep anywhere,(in a puddle, on a roundabout, under a tree or just about anywhere else!).Does anyone from Hull want a lift? There are around 30 Catters in Hull, I offered a lift to anyone who wanted to go to Llanstock, the only person to accept was Ickle Dorrit. I wonder if it is my car that put them off, it is a rusty old Sierra, that I paid 20 pounds for! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 19 Oct 01 - 09:14 PM Ickle Dorrit-It is your fault it took so long, if we had not gone to see Nick Root we would have got there earlier! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: brid widder Date: 20 Oct 01 - 06:41 AM John your car is fab...it's got all 4 wheels...what else do you need!..I got in a bit of bother at work cos of staying on at Warwick on the sunday night...couldn't drag myself away see...so can only do festivals where I KNOW I can get back on public transport...even if the driver chooses to stay...either that or try to get monday off...which is difficult...also a long journey in January might be scuppered by the weather...so in principle the idea is great...wish it was closer to the centre of the universe(Hull) though... |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Mrs.Duck Date: 20 Oct 01 - 11:05 AM I would hardly call Llangollen central! I think Langdale would be a lot better or maybe somewhere in Derbyshire which would be more accessible for anyone coming from North or South. Bill was talking about February in Langdale does anyone know if he has enquired about availability? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 20 Oct 01 - 11:11 AM I have had a look at the yha website myself, but I can't seem to make much sense of it all, there again I am a bit thick! I know there is a youth hostel in Beverley, but I dont know if it is booked up or big enough. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John MacKenzie Date: 20 Oct 01 - 11:32 AM Well as I've got a drive of nearly 5 hours to get to the English border, I vote for Langdale, I think that Wales would be a shade too far for me. Will definitely come if it is held at Langdale. Jock |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Mrs.Duck Date: 20 Oct 01 - 11:45 AM I seriously think Llangollen would be a mistake. Mudcatters like Giok would find the distance prohibitive and we could end up with a very expensive weekend if we don't fill the hostel! Perhaps we should go for a 'show of hands' to see what the take up might be. We would certainly be interested in Derbyshire, Lakes or similar but would have to say no to Wales. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: MudGuard Date: 20 Oct 01 - 11:46 AM Gareth, I am not Saxon, I am Bavarian! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 20 Oct 01 - 11:54 AM I will go wherever it is but I would prefer it to be a bit nearer if possible. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Gareth Date: 20 Oct 01 - 12:04 PM Mudguard - Thank goodness for that !!! Then you bear no tribal reponsability for the lost lands east of the River Severn. Gareth
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Noreen Date: 20 Oct 01 - 12:36 PM The idea of this thread was indeeed for a 'show of hands' as you say, Mrs. Duck. My thought was that Langdale is probably just as accessible as Llangollen, if not more so, being closer to central motorway routes. 'Tis a long way for some people, granted, but it would be lovely to have a Scottish contingent. We did enquire about Derbyshire and more central places, but the size of hostel I think was an issue there- we wanted one big enough that no-one would be turned away. Also, not all youth hostels are included in this scheme where we can take over the whole place! Once we have some idea of possible interest and numbers, we could go ahead and book. So, please all, indicate whether you'd be interested or not, which dates and which venue. Thanks! Noreen |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Hilary Date: 20 Oct 01 - 01:01 PM Great idea, Either weekend in january is ok, the 2nd weekend in february is the Cheltenham Folk Festival. I'll happily promise not to bring the melodeon, haven't picked the *7%"**$4 thing up in months anyway. All of the venues are good, so long as the central heating is working ! Hilary |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 20 Oct 01 - 01:57 PM Langdale is possible as set out in my second post. If that is preferred location it can be reserved. 90+ beds there - so if we dont get large numbers cost will be much higher per head. Will quote figures when I get back again from Failsworth - Great start there by the way. Either will make a good base. NNB THESE ARE THE ONLY HOSTELS BIG ENOUGH AND AVAILABLE FOR EXCLUSIVE USE in the UK Beverly is beautiful but only 34 beds - May be enough!! Likely/possible attendees please. John
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Gareth Date: 20 Oct 01 - 02:09 PM Well I could renew my passport, shave my beard and sneak over the border. My personal preference is for LLangollen (It's easier to chat the sheep up if you speak the same toungue) but I'll go with the majority. Cost up to £20 head/night would seem in order - dates, as things stand no problems with any mooted Gareth |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Morticia Date: 20 Oct 01 - 02:10 PM Yes, Gomez and I...either venue, either date. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 20 Oct 01 - 05:11 PM Beverley is indeed lovely, but watch out that it doesn't clash with the Sidmouth Middle Bar Reunion weekend... usually around the first weekend in Feb. LTS |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: brid widder Date: 20 Oct 01 - 06:30 PM Langdale very likely...with a lift in John's wonderful car...although probably not during January. Llangollen I'm afraid I'd have to give a miss. Beverley...absolultey definitely any dates!! One or two points in Beverley's favour...there is B&B accomodation around for those who can't face dorms, quite a few Catters who live near enough to join in without actually taking up a bed ( or even with spare beds!)and several welcoming hostelries very near the Hostel! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Linda Kelly Date: 20 Oct 01 - 06:34 PM Beverley is a very very nice place to visit and the hostel is lovely and I guess between the Hull catters we could fit a few people in, but it is a long way to travel. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Gareth Date: 20 Oct 01 - 06:56 PM Beverly - a far way to travel ? Ye Gods - The Lake district is 280 mile from Caerphilly !! Gareth |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: brid widder Date: 20 Oct 01 - 07:00 PM Beverley a long way to travel? 8 miles...well yes Linda I see what you mean! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 20 Oct 01 - 07:46 PM LANGDALE Cost is £690 for 2 nights payable 8 weeks before occupation date. 96 beds in 2 x 3-4 beds, 8 x 5-8 beds and 4 x 11 beds ie 14 dorms. If 35 people paid £20 then Langdale is on financially. more than 35 then obviously cost comes down. Please remember this is an OPTION for a National Gathering involving an exclusive use of a Youth Hostel.I will happily book a smaller scale sort of Yorkshire/North Gathering if that is what is wanted!! Will collect thoughts and post later today Cheers John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 20 Oct 01 - 11:20 PM Beverley is in East Yorkshire,(7 miles north of Hull) 34 people were at Llanstock When do we have to decide wich hostel to book? Could we see how many people are going & then book the most suitable hostel size wise? Or does it have to be booked soon? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 21 Oct 01 - 01:19 AM Can you smoke in youth hostels? It may seem like a small detail but I think out of all the Yorkshire Catters there is only Ickle Dorrit & Sam Pirt that don't smoke! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: nutty Date: 21 Oct 01 - 02:42 AM Most , if not all , Youth Hostels are non-smoking and they do not allow pets either |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 21 Oct 01 - 03:55 AM There would have been 36 at Llanstock if Manitas and Gervase hadn't had gigs, and did you remember to count the children?? I'd actually prefer to go somewhere I haven't been, but Beverley is a beautiful town, and there are places to visit nearby for those who don't want to spend all day in the pub, or have children to entertain. LTS |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: nutty Date: 21 Oct 01 - 04:38 AM I have found my Rent-a-Hostel booklet for this year ( things are unlikely to have changed too much) and given the criteria that the Hostel should have over 40 beds / allow smoking / have good road access / be close to other ameneties ....... these seem to fit the bill>br> LINCOLN.....45 beds (2x2, 1x3.2x6, 2x8, 1x10 )10NOV - 26FEB PETERBOROUGH ......40 beds (6x2 , 4x4 , 2x6 ) 6NOV - 7APR LANGDALE ........80 beds (recommended) (2x3-4, 8x5-8, 4x11) 29OCT - 28FEB LLANGOLLEN (COACH HOUSE) .....56 BEDS (5X2, 1X7, 1X10, 1X11, 1X18)1SEPT - 7APR slightly smaller is BEVERLEY ......34 beds (1x5, 1x13, 1x16)1Oct - 7APR Dates will need a slight adjustment for next year but it seems that late Feb / early march could be an option
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Ned Ludd Date: 21 Oct 01 - 05:21 AM I could be in if Liz is going. Are you going on the Bike Liz? I don't care where (thats what wheels are for) but a smoking permit would be nice. Will they have let Micca back by then? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Ned Ludd Date: 21 Oct 01 - 05:21 AM I could be in if Liz is going. Are you going on the Bike Liz? I don't care where (thats what wheels are for) but a smoking permit would be nice. Will they have let Micca back by then? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Linda Kelly Date: 21 Oct 01 - 05:40 AM Beverley is near the North Sea ferry Terminal -which may encourage 'catters from Belgium and Germany -with any luck! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:10 AM We appear to be gravitating towards a smaller event. Beverley is £330 and I will check availability first thing tomorrow. I am sure Beverley would be successful but not quite what was intended initially. Peterborough is no longer in the Rent a Hostel brochure and Lincoln was initially dismissed as being too small. Would be okay for a smaller party though at £340 and it has separate lounge and dining rooms - useful for singing and music! Weekend booking of these hostels is very popular so if nothing materialises from this attempt I strongly suggest that the info we have now is used to book for 2003 - We should have a greater choice. Will post again after info on Beverley. Cheers John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Noreen Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:56 AM Maybe a 'trial run' with a smaller event, as central as poss, then repeat in the future on a larger scale if successful? This doesn't have to be the 'one and only'. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Linda Kelly Date: 21 Oct 01 - 08:18 AM Sorry John, didn't want to undermine your good works - i think because I know Beverley so well, and live five miles away I just think it's the sort of place people would like. Ancient gas lit pubs -walks upon the Westwood the Minster olde tea roomes -Llanstock with attitude! I'm happy with what every one decides. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Diva Date: 21 Oct 01 - 10:14 AM Somewhere accessable for us non drivers would be good. Giock where abouts are you?? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 21 Oct 01 - 11:52 AM I think Beverley is nice as well, a lot of pubs there a folk friendly (Nellies, Tap Spile etc).It is only 5 miles from me as well (I live near Ickle Doritt).There is a train station and the bus station is next door to Nellies,(Beverley Folk Club).There are no sheep, but plenty of cows on the Westwood. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Gareth Date: 21 Oct 01 - 12:22 PM No sheep ? - Thats baaaaad News. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Mrs.Duck Date: 21 Oct 01 - 05:37 PM I don't think having an event in Beverley changes the original plan for a National gathering its just that at present the take up seems to be too low for booking one of the larger hostels. Straight after Christmas finance is always a problem and if the weekend looks like costing more than £15 a head we would have to say no I think. All previous gatherings have been intended to be for any Mudcatter and I would like to avoid using terms like Northern or Yorkshire gathering. Thanks for getting all the info Geordie. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Noreen Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:02 PM I like the idea of Llanstock with attitude, Ickle! Would the Minster olde tea roomes mind us taking it over for a singaround? We did that in Fleetwood when the heavens opened when the Shellbacks were supposed to be singing by the lifeboat- the owner and staff were bemused to say the least! Jane, bearing in mind that this thread was only put up two days ago, I don't think we can really make any judgements yet as to take up- people may well be going away and thinking about it, or not have seen the thread yet. Word will spread... and I agree with what you say about naming the gathering. Inclusive raher than exclusive, wherever it's held; lumpers not splitters! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Mrs.Duck Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:26 PM I take your point Noreen but as Geordie said these places are very popular so we will have to come to some sort of decision fairly soon if we are to get anything at all. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: brid widder Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:56 PM Actually the chap who owns the minster tea rooms is an aquaintance of mine so I might be able to negotiate a singaround there! I hope this won't be too early in the New Year....apart from the expense of Chrimbo and New Year at Whitby the weather can be chill, and the roads icy in January!...in any case I have a first grandchild due about then so really need to be close to home !!! so if it's January then for me it must be Beverley!! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: The_one_and_only_Dai Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:59 PM ...didn't a maid dwell there? A buxom lass? I knew her well. Her age, wasn't it but 22? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 21 Oct 01 - 08:03 PM I think some famous person came from beveeley, but ay the munute I am too drunk too remember who it was. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:00 AM At the present time Beverley will be CLOSED over the winter/early spring so Rent a hostel not available as yet. As a back stop I have recorded interest in Beverley and there may be a good choice of dates up to early April if Rent a Hostel becomes available.Watch this space. Interestingly Beverley was my first choice. Absolutely perfect for a smaller group although not really central! Other smaller hostels do not have large enough/separate common areas so we are left with Langdale or Llangollen. Llangollen is easier to get to from the North and East than Llanfair but about ten miles further from the South. It is however smaller than Langdale (56 rather than 96 beds )so will potentially be quite a bit cheaper. Langdale is a detached country house in a spectacular setting. Would be idyllic but at £690 for 96 beds we need a good turnout to make it economic. Only availablity (checked 20 mins ago) is Langdale 4/5 11/12 and 18/19 Jan Llangollen 4/5 and 11/12 Jan YHA confirm that they only very rarely get cancellations so this is it as far as I can see for YHA for early 2002. Will do a bit of a summary later today when everything is absorbed. Cheers John. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: alanww Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:18 AM Numbers: I would have thought that we would be safer with room for 30 to 40 or so, rather than 80+ - at Llanstock some attendees brought their campervans / caravans. No smoking in YHAs: You can always go outside for a drag or take up snuff, as there in no rule against that! Location: My vote goes for Beverley, as its reasonably central and its accessible from Europe. Date: Certainly not in October to rival Llanstock but there is no reason to clash with other events in Jan/Feb/Mar either - so NOT 11/13 Jan Strawbear at Whittlesey, 25/27 Jan Ale & Song at Helmsley, 22/24 Feb Middlebar Singers Reunion at Sidmouth or (for me at least!) 1/3 Mar Morris Ring AGM at Newport and 15/17 Mar Bideford Folk Club at Boscastle YHA! Sing John Ball and tell it to them all ...! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Ella who is Sooze Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:29 AM Where's Beverly? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: alanww Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:43 AM 8 miles north of Hull, which is on the River Humber East of Leeds. But no doubt one of the local Mudcatters will be able to sing its praises better than me. Oh, summer is a-coming ... ! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: GUEST,Noreen, studying hard... Date: 22 Oct 01 - 08:35 AM Beverley will be CLOSED over the winter/early spring what... the whole town? Noreen |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Tomsk Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:14 AM Sounds like two or more smaller venues are required with a live video feed conference between the two.... Tomsk |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:28 AM I agree with alanwww, on all his points exept yhe dates.I think whatever date we pick it will clash with something.I think we should just pick a date before the places get booked up, any date is ok with me, but I know some people get fixed holidays at work (teachers etc). This is just a sugestion= I think if this this is going to be regular thing, then it would be nice to go to a different place every year eg Wales & england & Scotland.I dont know if they have any youth hostels in Scotland, but if they do it would give Scottish people a chance to go because Wales is to far for them. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: mooman Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:31 AM If it's in Beverley I might be able to come too as that isn't too far from the Zebrugge-Hull ferry terminal. Just a reminder so the dates don't get muxed ip, the EuroGathering in Brussels is still on schedule for the 3-6 May 2002. I'll be posting an update on the arrangements for that shortly. Best regards, mooman |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: The_one_and_only_Dai Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:36 AM Can somebody please send me the UK mudcatter location info, so I can do some distributions? Then we may have more locations to consider? |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:38 AM Mooman-Beverley is 10 miles from the ferry, and you can catdh a bus or a train. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:43 AM Dai-The location info is in Mudcat Resources, under Locator, but the list is not up to date, because many people dont send their info in.Also have a look at thread called How Many UK Catters Part 3. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: The_one_and_only_Dai Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:45 AM thanks john, i was hoping that bill had kept his summary up to date? I'll have a run through and see what i can find |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Nemesis Date: 22 Oct 01 - 01:38 PM Count me in: I'd like to come wherever it is - I'm as likely to come to a gathering as go to a festival - in fact more likely to be able to blag it with the (large-teenager)-sitters as a "convention" than swanning off to a festival and abandoning the children - oops large-teenagers *G*. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 22 Oct 01 - 01:39 PM Beverley - Is and indeed always was the best hostel for a small gathering if you live within easy reach of Hull. At the present time it is not available to anyone.I have recorded interest should the situation change. Langdale - A wonderful location in which specific interest has been expressed by several but in view of it's size 46 people are needed at £15 per head. Llangollen - More convenient for the majority of Llanfair attenders than Llanfair itself and a lovely building in a lovely location. At £15 per head we need 28 people - It holds 56. Geographically the epi-centre of Uk Mudcat seems to be between Sheffield and Worksop should any one insist on going there :0). Looking forward to seeing a proper calculation. Thus as far as YHA is concerned for early 2002 the siuation is simple!! Around 50 people attending gives us the OPTION of Langdale otherwise it is LLangollen or nothing other than the possibility of Beverley if the town is open this Winter/Spring. Cheers John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: bill\sables Date: 22 Oct 01 - 04:29 PM Here, as promised, are a list of UK mudcat members and the counties they live in. When I went to school many years ago I learned the counties of Britain but since then many of them have changed and some have even changed back again, an example is, if you live in Manchester I have still put you down as Lancashire. As far as Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland goes I never did learn the counties and so I have just put members there under Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The reason for this list is because quite a few members have requested information as to who lived near to them. I have been able to make up this list from postings to the threads "How many UK catters" and " UK catters please read." and members I know of personally. I did ask if anyone objected to having their name connected to a county and have only had one objection whose name is not included in this list. The original reason for these threads was to find where most members lived so as a UK wide gathering could be organized within reasonably easy reach of most members. From the numbers so far it would seem that a gathering somewhere south of Yorkshire but within easy access to either the A1 or M6 would be most central. This gathering would probably take place in the winter after the festival season has finished and during that time when most of us are bored with no musical events to attend. I am sure that the list is by no means complete and that some people have moved since their postings, so if you are not on the list and would like to be included, or your information is wrong please contact me. Cheers Bill
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ISLE of MAN----------
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Jock Morris Date: 22 Oct 01 - 04:33 PM We do have hostels in Scotland and a good few of them are available for rent and are of a suitable size AND (if the website is to be believed) are available for early 2002. This link (sorry can't do blue clickies yet) should prove useful. http://www.rentahostel.com/pages/syha.htm As I'm 2 hours from the English border and travel at a sedate pace in my diesel land rover Wales is just way too far away. Suggest Melrose or New Lanark hostels as worthy of consideration. Scott |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Gareth Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:34 PM Bill - Gareth in Essex ??? Diew ! You'll acuse me of drinking Watneys yet !! Must be a double count - confirm I is happy here in S Wales. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: The_one_and_only_Dai Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:40 PM thanks bill, this will give me something to do at work tomorrow... |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Cllr Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:46 PM I'm in Bedfordshire. Cllr |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Oct 01 - 01:27 AM Can I just point out that for some who have to travel long distances, it is actually cheaper to come to London - I know Diva found this the case.... but then she had a lift from here to Llanfair - cost was £10 and a bar of chocolate (Micca, you still haven't paid me.....), I let MudGuard off the chocolate because he bought pickles. Any chance of investigating a few more on the outskirts of London? LTS |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: shankmac Date: 23 Oct 01 - 05:09 AM Looking at the list of Mudcat UK members it would seem sensible, if we want a good number attending , to make the first gathering in the area which has the most members which is Yorkshire. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Ella who is Sooze Date: 23 Oct 01 - 05:23 AM well, I'm pretty central to most areas except maybe Scotland, Norwich, and anywhere past Birmingham would mean a bit of a trek... But got loads of places within a 2 hour radius, but then we can't possibly please EVERYONE who would want to go to a gathering, I reckons it would be near to impossible... but lets see. Jet pack ready ella! |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: alanww Date: 23 Oct 01 - 05:39 AM Dear Mudcat friends and companions Realism! I think we ought to stop faffing about and go for one of the only two options available - Langdale for 46 or Llangollen for 28 - as suggested by Geordie Broon. We are running out of time and beggers and choosers and all that! ... Where? My vote would be for Llangollen , as realistically I don't think the extra number of attendees required would be forthcoming. (I would doubt that many from the Midlands and South would be able/willing to travel to Scotland, at least in the winter - sorry, Jock Morris!) But clearly we will have to go with the majority! When? I think that early February would be better than January, as (selfishly) I already have two weekends away in Jan and, anyway, Jan tends to be a recovery time from the excesses of Christmas, including a lack of money! Who? What we also need is for someone local to the chosen one to book it and sort out local pubs/venues and camping/caravan hard standing for those who will etc! How about a volunteer? Kind friends and companions come join me in rhyme |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: The_one_and_only_Dai Date: 23 Oct 01 - 05:41 AM Llangollen sounds fine, nice one alan. As long as it doesn't clash with the eisteddfod or anything... |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: GUEST,Noreen Date: 23 Oct 01 - 06:06 AM But Llangollen is booked up early Feb, Alan! Only the two Jan weekends are free, 4/5 JAN and 11/12 JAN (see GB's first post to this thread) and 11/12 clashes with Whittlesey. OK then,
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Matthew Edwards Date: 23 Oct 01 - 06:23 AM Noreen your html is getting better daily. Is this what they teach librarians these days? Count me in for Llangollen then; its easy to reach from Wirral. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 23 Oct 01 - 07:53 AM If 28 go to Llangollen there will be 10 people in double rooms with remaining 18 spread beween 4 dorms of 7 10 11 and 18 beds Ater Llanstock can we cope with the space. If hostel is filled (56) then cost halves to £7.50. Cheaper than staying at home.!! Put me down for 4/5 Jan to clear cobwebs. John |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Linda Kelly Date: 23 Oct 01 - 11:15 AM er ... don't think I can do that as I may be in Whitby for the New Year!- |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Oct 01 - 11:56 AM Can somebody make a part 2 please? Long threads are no good for this crappy machine I am using! Cheers.john |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: alanww Date: 23 Oct 01 - 12:47 PM I'm a probable rather than a definite at present, as I would miss mummers on Friday 4 Jan (and I am the Captain of Mummers)! I will have to see if we can get a side without me (and Snuffy and Stantheman?) I would also have to be back in good time for the mummers on 12th night, Sunday 6 Jan. We're one, two, three jolly boys all in one line ... |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Eric the Viking Date: 23 Oct 01 - 01:17 PM Not a chance for Jan early weekend. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: John Routledge Date: 23 Oct 01 - 01:38 PM Just heard from YHA officially: BEVERLEY will not be available in the Spring and is unlikely to be included in next years brochure for 2002/2003 :0( So back to difficult dates for other hostels. If numbers are not forthcoming any body any ideas for non YHA accomodation which would not necessarily have date restrictions. Otherwise it is next stop Llanstock 3 Cheers John
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Hilary Date: 23 Oct 01 - 01:40 PM Count me in. Hilary |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Noreen Date: 23 Oct 01 - 02:01 PM Please continue ideas in new thread UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 part ii |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Frailin Gill Date: 23 Oct 01 - 02:03 PM I will come to either Llangollen or Langdale on either date in January. (I think that any weekend will clash with something, there is so much going on these days). Maybe we can do our own Mummers? Thanks John for thinking this up. By the way I live in Lancashire. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: brid widder Date: 23 Oct 01 - 02:08 PM well sadly I won't be able to make early January anywhere as I've got a first grandchild due then!! I can't even make Whitby for New Year! and Wales is too far for a weekend...but if anything is planned for anywhere else then I'd like to be involved...YHA is extremly cheap...if we had alternative accomodation which cost a bit more I wouldn't mind. With 68 of us in Yorkshire a Northern gathering...everyone welcome would surely be feasable. |
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Subject: RE: UK - MUDCAT GATHERING 2002 From: Tattie Bogle Date: 23 Oct 01 - 07:50 PM Llangollen too far, Langdale do-able, Hawick/Melrose/New lanark even better. Sodmouth Middle Bar reunion nearer end of Feb than beginning, LTS, usually 20-somethingth. Tattie B |
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