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Subject: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: Haruo Date: 10 Jan 07 - 04:32 PM While you're waiting for me to get my new hymn forum named and otherwise together, if you think you might be interested in participating in it I would welcome suggestions for its organization into subforums. I still don't know if I can do any deeper nesting than what you can see at Thinkingbaptists.com, and I know the same general format will apply as there, so you can look at those forum headings:
No, "Liberal Baptist" is not an oxymoron!
An Invitation-Only Forum Oh well, I've got at least one missing tag or one too many in there somewhere, can't get the first category to look right, but you get the idea... Tunes, texts, history, creative writing, people, theology, style, performance, hymnals/songbooks, events, 7-11 songs, chant, instruments, recordings, web resources... what would be the most useful ways to organize it. I don't want too much organization (I think thinkingbaptists.com may be a bit overcategorized for the traffic) but I also want it less disorganized than the Mudcat forum or the Hymn Society discussion board; useful organization but not intimidating or overwhelming... |
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Subject: RE: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: Azizi Date: 10 Jan 07 - 07:33 PM Haruo, kudos on the great work you've done and are doing! I'm wondering in which category already listed would discussions or queries go on the history & current conditions/projects of Baptist social activism. Maybe those discussions could be placed under the categories of Politics or Baptist Heritage but I'm not sure it really fits there. Of course, a topic as Baptists involvement in the [African American] Civil Rights Movement could just go under General Chat, but maybe a Social Activism category would be a better fit. But if not, that's fine too. And with regard to Babtist Heritage, the notation is "For discussing our proud heritage of freedom and faithfulness"..aren't there more than one Babtist heritage? I grew up attending a Baptist church so I probably should know this, but isn't there more than one governing body for American Baptists? And aren't there considerable differences in the heritage of Black [American] Baptist and White [American] Baptist {American=UnitedStaters}? Maybe these differences in heritage will be discussed in the Arts and Liturgy sections and in other sections. I think that would make for some interesting and informative discussions. Again, thanks for the work you are doing to launch this forum. Best wishes, Azizi |
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Subject: RE: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: Mooh Date: 10 Jan 07 - 07:43 PM Is it to be specifically Baptist? A more multi-faith approach would be more to my needs. Not to discourage a great idea, I just think t would cast a wider net (pun well intended). Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: GUEST Date: 10 Jan 07 - 09:57 PM Even if I might no longer pass doctrinal muster, being a Baptist for a long time imprints your very being, and the imprints won't all go away even if you try to make them. I've decided, why try. So thank you. |
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Subject: RE: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: Haruo Date: 11 Jan 07 - 01:33 AM No, no, no, you guys didn't get what I was doing. I'm not proposing a Baptist site; I'm just offering a sort of template in the form of a Baptist site's organization. The categories I cited are from "ThinkingBaptists.com", which is a discussion board mainly catering to the left wing of the Baptist movement (it was actually started when a bunch of us got thrown off of BaptistBoard.com for being pro-gay (pro-gay-ordination, pro-gay-marriage, whatever) and not repenting when the fundies told us to) but what I am going to be starting is a hymns/hymnology discussion board that will use the same software (phpBB) as TB.com. It will not be sectarian (I imagine most participants will be Christians of some sort or other, but there certainly won't be any such requirement). I want people to suggest forums within the general field of hymns and hymnology that might help hymnnuts and hymnologists to discuss their interests in the field in a somewhat more efficiently organized way than is possible at the present Hymn Society discussion board. So the content of the list I quoted is not what I'm aiming at, but rather a somewhat parallel list catering to the needs and interests of hymnlovers, rather than to the needs and interests of liberal Baptists. Now, "Social Activism and Hymns" might be a useful forum. So might "Hymns of the Black Churches" (not just Baptist but also AME, AME Zion, Church of God of Holiness, etc., etc., maybe even Nation of Islam?)... "General Chat" at ThinkingBaptists serves somewhat the same function as the BS Threads section of the Mudcat. (So do "The Woodshed" and "Founders Forum"...) And yes, Azizi, there are dozens of kinds of Baptists out there (the Yearbook of American Religion, one year that I looked at it, had 42 Baptist denominations listed just in the USA; we are a viscerally schismatic people ;-) ). But I'm looking for hymn topics, not Baptist topics. Additional suggestions will be welcome... thanks for those to date! Haruo |
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Subject: RE: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: Azizi Date: 11 Jan 07 - 03:27 AM Okay, Harou, thanks for providing that clarification. I get it now-at least I think I do. Btw, I know very little about the role of music in the Nation of Islam. I've heard that that denomination had {has?} some great drill teams [who presumably chanted],but I've never heard anything about the role of vocal or instrumental music in Nation of Islam or, for that matter, in other Muslim congregations that may have predominately Black worshippers such as specific Sunni Muslims congregations in the USA. If these religious groups don't include music, that would be a tremendous departure from African American aesthetic worship traditions, styles, and preferences. I'd never thought about the role [or lack of role] of music in African American Muslim worship. That would be such an interesting read/discussion. In contrast, the tremendous influence that vocalists, and drummers & other musicians from COGIG {Church of God In Christ; known colloquially as Holiness} congregations have had on African American religious and secular music is very well known [to those who have studied Black music traditions]. COGIC is pronounced coh-gick ["gic" rhymes with "click"] |
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Subject: RE: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: Azizi Date: 11 Jan 07 - 03:40 AM well "gic" [in COGIC] isn't really pronouced like "click". Maybe "mick" would have been a better word.. Not that this has that much to do with the price of beans in Boston, and since I feel that this post would be otherwise be a waste of space, let me add these thoughts: I think Harou, that it would be great if your website included a section {perhaps this is General Comments?} where people could discuss the history and the source materials of specific hymns and subgenres of hymns. I'm also assuming you'll have lyric searchers such as occur on Mudcat {when people give a title or snatches of a song and ask for the complete lyrics of the song}. And are you going to have a search engine and listing of songs & titles discussed on your forum [like Mudcat does in its Search and DitiTrad features?] I think this would be very helpful. I also hope your forum is not all heavy duty but has room for play on words, lightness, humor, and wit [in good taste, of course]. |
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Subject: RE: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: Haruo Date: 11 Jan 07 - 05:34 AM Well, the program will be basically the same "phpBB" thingie that Thinkingbaptists.com uses, and that includes a search function, as well as PM for registered members much like Mudcat (but with much more limited capacity). On the other hand, we won't have the gigabytes to duplicate the contents of archive sites like cyberhymnal.org and oremus.org, so we won't try. I'm hoping that the site will be a place where people can and will discuss a wide variety of topics related to hymns, not just lyric search questions. We'll see how it develops. I'll definitely have links to the major archival sites, and to other resources like The Hymn Lyrics Detective forum at namethathymn.com. By the way...Is the "G" in "COGIC" pronounced "g" as in "cog" or "j" as in "logic"? Islamic worship music will certainly be an interesting thing to discuss (be it among African Americans or Muslims in general). My impression is that (congregational or choral, or solo) hymnody per se has little role in ordinary daily or Friday prayers in the mosque, although the muezzin's call to prayer may be related; on the other hand in their special gatherings the Sufis (whirling dervishes and what have you) make use of music, generally in connection with dance, in ways that comes closer to what I think of as hymnic. Haruo |
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Subject: RE: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: Mooh Date: 11 Jan 07 - 07:14 AM Haruo...Thanks for the clarification. Excited by old hymn books and texts, I have a small collection of things like The Treasury Of English Church Music and the Dictionary Of Hymnology (Julian), along with hymnals, books of liturgy, and psalters. History plays into this a lot, so I'm with Azizi on his source materials idea. I kinda like the way www.mandolincafe.net is arranged, if that's of any help. Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: Azizi Date: 11 Jan 07 - 07:06 PM Ah, that's what I should have said! "COGIC" rhymes with "low gic" with the "g" being pronounced like the "gic" in "logic"...but the "co" in COGIG rhymes with the word "low" and not the sound "lah" or however the "lo" in the word "logic" is pronounced. Are you confused yet? I'm really not doing this on purpose. |
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Subject: RE: While waiting for Haruo's Hymn Forum... From: Haruo Date: 11 Jan 07 - 07:52 PM Got it! Thanks, Azizi. Haruo |
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