BS: Are We Anti-English

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 12:14 AM

Somebody's gettin' muxed ip between Robert Burns and Robert de Bruce. The latter was a norman Scot Burns was not, as far as anybody knows. My own family name is of Norman origin, first appearing in Aberdeenshire and the shire of Angus in the eleventh century [shortly following the Battle of Hastings.] So maybe I'm an Aberdeen Angus?

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Gurney
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 02:13 AM

You are probably right, Boab, but I was only winding WLD up a little. It doesn't have to be factual on the web, where so much is dross.   Of course, it fell flat when he turned out to be a Pom.
Didn't the WLD in Arthur McBride end up as flat as a shoe? Child molestation by A. McM and his mate the singer.   Bad show, I say.

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 04:40 AM

nah just his drumm. he got off light. lucky he didn't bump into Divis Sweeney and his mates,

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 05:18 AM

Gurney is right. We laid the bold drummer as flat as your shoe, And we made a football of his rowdy dow doo............At least in one of the versions. In the one I sing it goes "And as for the drummer, we rifled his pouch, And made a football of his rowdy dow dow.....Yer pays yer money, and takes yer choice.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 05:26 AM

I guess thats me flattened for a bit

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: GUEST,Beachcomber
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 09:08 AM

Now, now Teribus, your predjudices are showing again.
Nice to read a post from you that dosn't require a knowledge of barrack -room slang though.

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Hopfolk
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 04:43 PM

Pretty much every nation has an ancestral bugbear. Whether warranted or not. It's much easier to accept our own shortfalls if there is some historical enemy to blame.
Much of the British and European enmity directed towards England stems from the Tudor rejection of the Catholic church.

In Britain, though, the whole nationalist thing is pretty crazy. If anyone dislikes me because someone who was English did something a thousand or fifty years ago then it's their problem.

And a word to the Welsh, Cornish or Scottish nationalists: PLEASE get your independance ASAP so we can stop financing your hospitals, schools, unemployed, policing and transport network.

(PS: I think Ireland should be governed by the Irish - on a secular basis.)

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Gurney
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 10:17 PM

CamoJohn, the English didn't actually reject Catholicism, but the Pontiff and his cronies. At that time, the church of Rome owned something like a quarter of England, with all the revenues that that entailed, and as I understand it, they were a political, interfering, and corrupt bunch of people. Henry declared himself head of the Catholic Church in England, for political and secular reasons, including getting his hands on all that lovely lolly and getting politely rid of his seemingly infertile wife.
The church in Rome stirred up England's neighbours in an attempt to bring England back into the fold, and kept it up for generations.
The Church of England was a Catholic church originally, only becoming deemed Protestant later.
To blame a modern Englishman or his government for that time is as unjust as to blame the latest Pope for it.

I read a book once. Sorry if I'm telling you what you already know.

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 04:08 AM

Sorry to miss the 100th post chaps, but I've been down with a bad cold, probably caught it off a bloody Frenchmen!

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 04:23 AM

The Irish should run Ireland on whatever basis they want - secular or spiritual - its their country.

First they have to start talking to each other and stop demonising the other side - as can be seen on every Irish thread on mudcat.

Europeans don't like us because we speak the same language as the Americans, who are perceived as decadent - despite bailing them out and protecting them at every turn.

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 05:00 AM

First they have to start talking to each other and stop demonising the other side - as can be seen on every Irish thread on mudcat.


And now that it is being proven that they can't communicate with each other, guess who is getting the flak?

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Stu
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 05:20 AM

The English are still under the Norman Yoke as far as I'm concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 05:54 AM

yup the yokes on us

Subject: RE: BS: Are We Anti-English
From: Hopfolk
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 12:41 PM

WLD: Fnar Fnar.

Stigweard: Confused times they were too... It's a pity that the Saxons have been demonized to the extent they have.

Thanks for the Fax, Gurney. I do tend to generalise somewhat :-)

CamoJohn