BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express

Subject: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 09:02 PM

Well, well, well...

Seems that John McCain, once the darling of the media because he'd spend hours with 'um drenkin' and carryin' on bull sessions is now paranoid of the media...

Yep, no more bull sessions and, oh, what about this Steven Price guy of the Talehassee Democrat who was removed from one of John's fake town hall meeetings for being the only black reporter???

Seems that things ain't all that cool in McCainville these days...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 09:10 PM

That's what happens when Paris Hilton's mom scolds him.
Its also what he gets when McCain's mom calls his Ad "Kinda stupid".

Scolding..

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 09:16 PM

Yeah, he is acting just like the Republican sleaze he has always been, even when HE was the politico celeb du jour.

Imagine that. Presidential candidates are all lying sacks of horse manure. We're shocked.

Thanks for posting this, Bobert. I'm sure most Mudcatters hadn't heard that McCain lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 09:16 PM

Meanwhile, as the sun sank/sinked/sunk fell from the western sky, little asteroids flew flittingly through the air (DOH!). As Dawn approached the lifeguard swimmed/swam/swum motioned in the manner of a seagull rugby team walking a very thin line bordering on the left a garden filled with azaiileahs/azzhaleas/azeelaiaias flowers draped in vines that hung/hinged/hang were suspended by sle

OOPS.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 09:21 PM

How can you say that about azailleahs?

Only a nasty flower speciest would say something that low.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 09:27 PM

Thanks, Bobert. Here's some interesting commentary and info on the reporter being ousted: click.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 09:46 PM

the original story

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 10:14 PM

Here is Olbermann interviewing Mr Price. It looks bad for McCain.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 10:45 PM

So was the reporter asked to leave the bus area because he was black?

___yes

___no

Was the second person asked to leave because the first person was black?

___yes

___no

Were they "booted" from the town hall meeting or just the bus area?

___yes

___no


Did Barrack accept McCain's invitation and participate in the town hall meeting?

___yes

___no

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 10:57 PM

Sawzaw

Obama has better things to do than give lonely John an audience.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 10:58 PM

Was the town hall meeting in the cheese aisle or at the German restaurant?

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:23 PM

So...lemme get this straight--the old Bush "suppress the communication" tactic --closed-loop "open houses" with prescripted attendance, kicking out dissent, and anal control over all communication, is being revitalized full-bore for McCain?

The whole bunch of them were state-level reporters; the freedom of the press has now been roundly subordinated to arbitrary "security" concerns driven by bureaucrat opinions?

WTF?

Good think McCain promised to run a civilized xampaign...



A

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:42 PM

Why do you guys keep acting like this is some sort of shocking news, that will result in...what exactly?

McCain being shot by firing squad?

The media coming out and denouncing him?

McCain admits he is a jerk?

What exactly is the point of this exercise you keep repeating in this forum over and over and over?

Is it like this here every election, or just this one?

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:17 AM

Lonely John is now at 44% and Celebrity Obama is now at 45% in the polls right after he made his celebrity tour in Europe.

Not bad for an old codger.

Please note that criticism is not a personal attack.

People that can't stand criticism claim that they are being attacked.

Other people describe being asked to leave an area for the bus as being "booted from the meeting"

Then they have to claim that the person was "booted" because he was black when they don't really know if that was the reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:43 AM

You seem to want to make everything personal Sawzaw. Criticism of McCain is not criticism of you. Do you not only think that Amos is Obama, Do you also think that you are McCain?

>>From: GUEST,DV
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:42 PM

Why do you guys keep acting like this is some sort of shocking news, that will result in...what exactly?

McCain being shot by firing squad?

The media coming out and denouncing him?

McCain admits he is a jerk?

What exactly is the point of this exercise you keep repeating in this forum over and over and over?

Is it like this here every election, or just this one?<<<

What's it to you? If you don't like it here, I can help you find another forum. :-)

Just kidding! We're just talking about the news. News comes up, we talk about it. Its pretty much always been like this. We talk about the news, a couple of naysayers and right wing nut jobs come and try to convince us that we are stupid until they find something better to do than to butt in on our conversations. Then more of them come along to take their place. There seems to be an endless supply. Where do you all come from?

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:54 AM

So you are looking to have conversations with fellow converts in your cause? Is that why you are so hostile to anything that strays outside the lines of conventional Democratic party propaganda here?

That at least explains the circular nature of the conversation, and the lack of original thought in this section of the forum.

And actually, I see very little discussion here of REAL news. Just dicussion of whatever is on the screen crawls from the cable echo chamber on any given day, or what is front page news at Huffington Post.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 01:15 AM

With respect DV.
You are being treated with hostility because you are acting hostile.
You are acting arrogant and condescending. You act as though you are superior but then you don't think before you post and that makes it easy to poke holes in your arguments and make you look dumber than us. The irony of that is slightly satisfying.

We play rough with people we know, but don't kid yourself there is respect and affection there too.

You come here half wound up and there are a group of us who are happy to wind you up the rest of the way and watch you spin. If that's the way you want it from now til November 4, that's how it will be. Or you can take the chip off your shoulder. Or you can relax and enjoy yourself. Either way, it won't matter to us. You are one in a long line.

Why don't you start some threads about "real". News and try talking about it without implying that we are stupid? That would be nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 02:11 AM

And the lies keep coming!

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 02:27 AM

"Stereo politicians, talking out of both sides of their mouths....."

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 07:44 AM

JtS,

In case you haven't figured it out DV is a reconstituted Dickey who was a reconstituted Old Guy... Remember them??? Well, if it walks like a duck...

Amos,

Yeah, looks as if the McCain team is closely monitorin' just who is allowed to be uin these so-called "town hall meetings" just as Bush has done... Good campaign strategy but hardly a forum for "straight talk"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Peace
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 07:52 AM

Did anyone ever notice that there are not too many people of colour at McCain's 'meetings'?

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Peace
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 08:26 AM

Did anyone ever notice that McCain doesn't seem too healthy?

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 08:39 AM

There is a tremendous amount of arrogance and hostility newcomers (I was one recently enough) meet with when wading into political threads here, Jack The Sailor. So perhaps you, as a hardened veteran of these discussions, might want to take that on board too. I have adjusted my behavior to meet the behavior those here before me. Yes, I can certainly give as good as I get, can't I?

Peace, I suppose it isn't odd to remark that there are few people of color at McCain's rallies. But how many people of color use this forum?

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 08:40 AM

I believe McCain looks healthy enough for his age. Considering he looks like Skeletor.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: pdq
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 08:42 AM

"But how many people of color use this forum?"

Er, about one. But she writes very well.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Peace
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 08:49 AM

DV: Get a membership so we can use the message feature.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:01 AM

>>Yes, I can certainly give as good as I get, can't I?

Not that I've noticed. Anyone can cut and paste and say"no."

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:11 AM

Right. And I would add blue links to that list too.

So maybe you should stop doing it as a strategy to beat your opinion into other people's heads.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: SharonA
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:22 AM

But back to the subject.... I fear that the Republicans will try to push that wheel-less express bus along the dusty road and over the finish line first. Impossible? Hope so...

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:35 AM

No Sharon, I think its all too possible. Take nothing for granted. There are a lot of gullible people out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:35 AM

I'm in a distinct minority in this forum, obviously, because even before Obama started flipping his positions on the environment, I was convinced it doesn't matter whether McCain or Obama was elected. Because there was some genuine differences between the two candidates during the primary, and because I, like the rest of the country, wish to sweep Republicans out of power this fall, I was willing to go to the polls and actually vote for Obama.

I, like Stringsinger in the above the line thread on Obama said, don't know anyone who is enthusiastic about Obama. Everyone I know who is voting for Obama is doing so because they don't want the Republicans in power anymore.

There is a big difference between us, and the Democratic party voters who truly believe the marketing hype surrounding Obama.

There is one legitimate reason to vote for Obama now, and one only: his race. Him being elected president would break the color barrier. But that is still single issue voting that ignores the fact that the State of Texas' biggest industry today is jailing immigrants.

When you combine those realities (which Obama and the Democrats refuse to address) with some other really disturbing information, like the revelatory investigative report by Mother Jones into civil rights groups working WITH the predatory lendors in the African American and Lation communities that are wiping out all the gains made to bring people of color into the middle class in the last 30 years, it all looks kinda scary to just vote for a black man who acts exactly like every other cynical white Democratic party politician.

Let's not forget who his two biggest party cheerleaders are in the Democratic party: John Kerry and Tom Daschle. Hell, even Al Gore Democrats aren't that enthusiastic about Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Amos
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:51 AM

Well, I am, so there's one, buddy. And if you had watched the video from his talk in Lanhsing you would have seen several thousand more. If you had watched his Berlin speech, you would have seen 20,000. You are creating, in my opinion, a small, withered, falsified picture of the situation and promulgating it as though it were an authoritative analysis. Well, I beg to doffer; it is not a broad analysis, it is a sour weevil lost in space.

The reason to vote for him has nothing to do with his race, but because he's smarter than John McCain, and your own jaded characterizations just don't cut it. Neither do your sweeping pundit-like descriptions iof huge classes of people you don't know.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:52 AM

I did a cartoon of McCan't and his straight talk.
THe funny words/lies curve and braid into an image of a larger script that says BuSh

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:01 PM

Yes, and you truly believe yourself to be a majority of one, Amos. That much you make clear in your posting history.

I watched the link, "buddy". (Your anger and intolerance for opinions different from your own is glaring there, Amos.)

But not until AFTER I read the complete text of the speech.

I have never claimed to be authoritative. I simply post my opinion, which includes not using a de facto social ostracization policy that's the cyber-equivalent of the death penalty in this forum, for anyone who thinks differently than the Obama worshipping cadre.

I see plenty of evidence of people here who think a lot like I do about Obama, but they usually only post once or twice to threads on the presidential election here and there. So I seriously question your majority representation here. I think the Obama cadre are a bunch of bullies, frankly. And I don't like bullies.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Amos
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:12 PM

I don't like bullies, either, DV. SOmething we can agree on, anyway! But I did not assert I was a majority. I was responding to your exagerrated claim that you knew "none".

My anger is not that you might have a different opinion, a fact which, fundamentally, I celebrate even when I am up in arms. It is stirred up when I think intentional distortion and twisting is being used.

I don't ostracize people who are interested in communication, no matter what their opinion ios; and even if I did the only means I would have of doing so is by dropping into silence, as I have no weight or authortiy in this community other than as an individual poster.

I think Obama's general outlines in his energy speech were useful, helpful, and forward-looking.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:19 PM

"I was responding to your exagerrated claim that you knew "none"."

This is hysterically funny! Amos, you don't know me much less all the people I know, so why do you think you are right to say I'm exaggerating?

Proof, please! LOL!

I am not intentionally distorting anything. You also claim to "know as fact" that Obama is what he says he is, and that he is always right. How can I say such a thing? Easy. You just claimed as fact that your interpretation of Obama's speech/positions/candidacy is the only RIGHT one, and any and all that disagree with or criticize his speech are intentionally distorting and twisting.

You are, Amos, a person who engages in a common human failing: believing your opinions to be facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:20 PM

DV said;

Yes, and you truly believe yourself to be a majority of one, Amos. That much you make clear in your posting history.

I watched the link, "buddy". (Your anger and intolerance for opinions different from your own is glaring there, Amos.)

This is where I have a problem with your style. First, you accuse Amos of being a "majority of one" and say it is clear from his posting history. If you had been around more than 15 minutes, or if you bothered to really read his posting history (which would take you quite a while) you would know that there are not many that are more tolerant of other opinions than Amos. That is not to say that he isn't opinionated, but that is hardly a sin here.

Why don't you just stick to enunciating your views, and attacking the points others make instead of the person making them?

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:27 PM

It would take quite awhile to read through his entire posting history, but one can make some quick leaps back in time to find out how this person posted during the previous election cycles, too. Which is what I did to get an idea of where he is coming from.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion of Amos being openminded and tolerant of other peoples' opinions. He may be in some ways, but not on presidential politics he isn't.

I am enunciating my views, and nothing more, until Amos, Jack the Sailor, Donuel and a few other Obama supporters begin ad hominem attacks against me specifically, rather than keep on topic.

If you are objectively reading the threads I participate in, you will see who attacks personally first.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:27 PM

DV

I would have put Ted Kennedy as his biggest cheerleader. But that hardly matters, all of the party is behind him now. The same cannot be said for McCain. We (Carol and I) have been working on the ground for Obama here in North Carolina. I can tell you for a fact that lots of party faithful are very enthusiastic for him. We have also met lots of independents and first time voters.

It is certainly not "marketing hype" with me. I have been paying attention to what he has been saying and I am very impressed with his organizational and political skills. His organization did a very good job in this town. That is for sure.

May I ask, since you are voting Democrat, what your point is in constantly knocking Obama and his supporters? Do you simply think that there is not enough bad energy in the world? Or do you have something against rainbows and unicorns? And change? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Peace
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:28 PM

That's rich having read your post about Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:32 PM

But, m-o-m! HE did it first!

What a specious justification.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:36 PM

Yes, Ted Kennedy has been one of the party cheerleaders too.

So, as Obama volunteers, you have an obvious interest in silencing criticism of your candidate, yes?

Here is the deal. I really don't know any "party faithfuls" in the Democratic party. I don't live in an historically Democratic area, and my progressive friends who vote at all, either vote for independents and third party candidates (locally) and either vote Democrat or don't vote for president, in presidential elections. I also know tons of people who don't vote at all anymore, and even a few who have never voted, locally or nationally.

Does that shock you? It makes me like at least half of all Americans who are eligible to vote, but don't. Why is that so odd here? I thought this was a music forum, not a Democratic party blog with a comments section!

It doesn't appear to me that Amos is a Democratic party activist like you, Carol, and Bobert state you are, but that doesn't mean he isn't a party loyalist, which if one goes by his posting history to this forum, he certainly is.

But none of this has anything salient to do with the discussion of either McCain's policies or Obama's, does it? Except it does reveal your biases.

Because of my lack of posting history in other elections here, I'm trying to give you my perspective. Clearly I come from a different place socially and politically than the Obama supporters in this forum. But we aren't required to sign a pledge statement to post here, are we? That's a joke, people. A joke.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:42 PM

katlaughing and Big Mick, is it both of your intentions to leap on the bandwagon of ad hominem attacks against me?

How about we all stay on topic, here?

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:52 PM

Tone it down, DV. It looks like you're doing battle with the world here. You are naming individuals and categorizing them as this or that, and then accuse them of ad nominem attacks. Please address the issues, not the individuals.
Take a deep breath, and cool the anger down.
Thank you.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:58 PM

I am one of the majority posters to this thread. So are Amos, Jack the Sailor, and a couple others. Because we disagree, I suppose one could define the discourse level as "battles of the world".

But is that really what is happening? Because I'm not angry. I'm just posting prolifically today, like I was last Saturday.

I am responding to posters individually, yes. I am not calling them names or attacking them personally. There is a difference. If you would like to shut down the thread or block my IP for my posting behavior, go ahead.

As I said, I stay on topic until a certain group of your regulars start making me the subject of the debate here. That isn't fair either, but I guess it is what someone who isn't part of the regular group of posters here should expect in this forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 01:05 PM

DV, I tend to agree with you, in regards to the two candidates, for which I've taken my share of heat. Neither of these candidates represent the 'will of the people'..until they get us to jump on their agenda driven causes. This is why people are so angry!! Both are bought and paid for. Obama is pandering to the underclasses, hoping they'll buy is unaffordable entitlements, to gather votes, and McCain is pandering to people to afraid to go for a change, and the sense of nationalism. This 'election' is a complete farce, foisted on the American public. Neither one of them, should have ever been considered, if integrity was a criteria.!

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Peace
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 01:12 PM

"So, as Obama volunteers, you have an obvious interest in silencing criticism of your candidate, yes?"

You haven't turned that upside down to see the corrollery/collarerl/corrollary obverse. It would be in the best interest of "Obama volunteers" to tie you up where your criticisms are contained. It is never worthwhile to silence the opposition. It is worthwhile to give them a sound-proof room.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Amos
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 01:16 PM

DV:

As I have tried to explain, I welcome your opinions and find them, when I get what they are, to be thoughtful and well-considered, even if they differ from my own. Where I get frustrated (usually not angry, and I apologize if it comes across that way) is where I see facts or communications being twisted one way or another in order to serve the purpose of nullifying or quashing something of merit. I see that a lot in the rightie blogs or posts in the 'Net at large--complete distortions of fact. Your posts, not so much. I woudl say, probably, if you wanted to find people enthusiastic about Obama, you could do so easily.

My own political history is not party driven. I have opposed George Bush consistently, and I have supported several recent Democrats -- Gore, Kerry and Obama -- but not because of their party. I look for feasible approaches to the optimum solution. I would have preferred, for example, to see Dennis Kucinich take the Dem party by storm. But his campaign, despite its scintillating intelligence, never became viable, and I see no sense (unlike GfS and a few others) in supporting a candidate who can't organize a viable campaign. I back individuals, not parties, but they have to be in the race. That's just my personal quirk, I suppose. I actually voted for Ross Perot once. True confession! :D

Barack Obama, in my opinion, is a genuine voice trying to find a working path to unify the nation and steer it toward very positive goals. This is an extraordinarily hard thing to do under any circumstances. I'd rather carry a hamburger into a pack of starving ALsatians. But so far, he's doing it relatively well -- he's putting together plans that make a lot nmore sense than his predecessors, and he's carrying a lot of public enthusiasm with him, and he's demonstrating a steady hand at foreign relations and a good eye on domestic policy issues. In addition, he has a youthful vigor the country needs. As far as I can see he's the best shot we have at making a difference. And I think votes should make a difference.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 01:28 PM

Amos, I have already been admonished by the forum moderators, twice. I prefer to keep to the topic of the candidates, not individuals in this forum--you or me.

Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 01:29 PM

For the record, I have enthusiatically endorsed Obama since the beginning so I guess that makes Amos and me the two person majority...lol...

Here's the problems/obseravtions, DV, that I have with your short posting history here in Mudville... The first one I pointed out in a previous thread where you stated that were "very concerned" that Obam would lose and then in the very same thread started attacking him... See, we have had a few folks come here and do exactly that... One well known one, Fantz, was recently banned for going too far over the edge with the personal attacks... Secondly, I am not convinced that you aren't Dickey or Old Guy because of your style and your attacking nature... Lastly, if you indeed want McCain to lose I'd like to see where you have made some level of commitment to the Obama campaign... Stopping the attacks would be a good place to start... We can talk policy all day long but coded generalizations play right into the McCain campaign strategy...

That's 'bout it from this ol' hillbilly...

BTW, you might want to read DougR's post for how to argue against the "majority"...

Bobert~