BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:38 AM

You think I'm saying that my indignation about the war justifies my believing in a conspiracy theory, Ron?

Huh? Why single me out for that? We both believe in conspiracy theories. Everyone believes in a conspiracy theory about 911, except the people who actually did it. Yours is the government sanctioned conspiracy theory, the popular one flogged by the media, that says those guys with boxcutters did it all by themselves, mine isn't that conspiracy theory, it's a different one, a more complex one involving more players, not just the guys with boxcutters. I like mine better, because it seems a lot more likely to me. Yeah, sure, it's just my opinion. Naturally.

You want me to retype all the data I've seen about it? Well, sorry, I just don't have time for that. And would it make any difference to the world if I found enough info to convince Ron Olesko of my 911 theory? Nope. It wouldn't make much difference at all. It wouldn't even change your or me in any useful way. We're just 2 people blathering away on an obscure internet forum, because we can't resist not doing so. (People like expressing their opinions...it strengthens their sense of identity. I like it. You like it. We're human, right?)

Here's another amusing thing about human nature, Ron. People will go out of their way to read and investigate any stuff that supports their established opinions strongly...they will waste precious little time on the stuff that doesn't. That stuff they skim over just so they can find something in it to attack. Thus, I do not really expect you to hunt out and enthusiastically absorb stuff that supports my favorite theories of 911. You wouldn't be acting like a normal human being if you did.

Neither do I expect that I will enthusiastically read, re-read, and memorize the material that supports the government position on the matter, because I simply don't believe those guys.

So we have, as usual, an insoluble divide on our hands. I don't know for certain who did it any more than you do. I'm just looking at probabilities, same as anyone else. I assess those probabilities differently than you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:48 AM

"Everyone believes in a conspiracy theory about 911, except the people who actually did it."

LH ... what kind of statement is that ... it reminds me of the famous "over and a over" line from my daughter when she was in grade school .. "I gotta have one cause everyone has got one"

There are many, many people who don't beleive in any conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 ... people who who are so far removed from the "ones who did it"

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:24 AM

"Thus, I do not really expect you to hunt out and enthusiastically absorb stuff that supports my favorite theories of 911."

Don't make foolish assumptions. You would be surprised. I think you have a problem with people who have debunked these conspiracy theories and you cannot get beyond that. You seem to be refusing to accept that people HAVE read on both sides of the issue and came away with a conclusion other than the one you made.

Again, the problem with ALL the conspiracy theories that I have read are lack of supporting evidence.

If I worked at it, I am sure I could come up a list of 100 reasons why Little Hawk was motivated enough to plot out the whole operation. I could come up with lists of theories on how you and your friends went ahead and pulled this off. Would I have a shred of evidence? Absolutely not.   Could I make it as convincing as some of the websites and articles I've read? You bet.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:29 AM

conspiracy theory :

ALL WILL BE FORGIVEN IF WE CAN PUT BIN LADEN'S HEAD ON A STICK.

Cheney's trip to Pakistan was in part to tell Musarev that we are sending Marines into Pakistan to capture bin Laden.

Even if all we get is a look alike corpse we can be sure that the story will break on FOX NEWS>

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:26 AM

6 - How do you define the word "conspiracy"? I define it as a secret plot by 2 or more people to do something.

Every theory about 911, including the government's chosen version of events describes a secret plot by 2 or more people to attack the WTC, the Pentagon, and possibly some other target (the White House?).

Those are conspiracy theories.

It's a common ridiculing tactic in conversation these days to label someone else's theory as "a conspiracy theory", as if that in itself means that someone is a wingnut. Well, my friend, ALL the theories about 911 are conspiracy theories because they are theories about a conspiracy.

And that's why I'm drawing your attention to the nonsense of someone trying to discredit some theory about 911 by calling it a "conspiracy theory". It's manipulative rhetoric, calculated to sway minds, and it's BS. Sort of like calling any criticism of something done by any black person "racism" (no matter what he did...)....or criticism of something any woman did "sexism"...or criticism of anything Israel did "anti-semitism"...or criticism of anything any Native American did "racism".

You follow me? This use of the term "conspiracy theory" to attack people is illegitimate. It's Newspeak, intended to shut up people who are outside the official line. Every theory about 911 is a conspiracy theory, must be a conspiracy theory, because 911 was accomplished BY a conspiracy on the part of some group of people.

A theory only ceases to be a "theory" when it is fully proven to everyone's satisfaction. Until then, it remains a theory.

Ron - I am simply saying that I have neither the time nor the motivation to search out all kinds of alternative stuff for you to read about 911, because I don't really see any big payoff in doing so. What difference would it make? Would it be an incredible triumph my ego could bask in for the next 10 years if you changed your mind? (heh! I don't think so.) You're just one person, after all, and if I did persuade you....then what? I accept that there are people who don't believe what I believe. It doesn't make them "wrong" or "evil", it just makes them different, that's all. And life will always be like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:38 AM

Little Hawk - I am only one person, but you did not post your thoughts just to me. You posted on a public forum for all the world to see. If you can't back up your comments, I understand. If you do not wish to further the discussion and simply back down and say that you don't have the time or motivation, I understand that too.

As for your semantics arguement about "consipiracy", I do see your point. Obviously somebody planned it, and they were not alone. There was a conspiracy. It just has not been proven, or seriously argued that the U.S. government was involved in that planning. I do believe the government was negligent and it led to the action, but that is another "theory".   The term "conspiracy theory" does not intend to discredit serious research and fact finding. I think you are taking it too personal.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 11:32 AM

Re the Galileo example (Little Hawk):

To be comparable to Galileo you need not only to be laughed at (by some) but also to be right.

How many Galileo's are there to 100,000 people who are laughed at and not believed by a large majority and are wrong after all?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 11:48 AM

LH ... Conspiracy Theory (I was not referring to the word 'conspiracy')... Conspiracy theories often defy an official or dominant understanding of events, and proponents sometimes substitute zeal for logic.

There are those (and yes intelligent people) who believe the the towers were brought down on 09/11/2001 by a well organized group of people from the middle east who were inspired to perform these violent acts by their anger with and revenge on the United States.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 11:53 AM

The links that Bill D posted on the other thread are definitive and convincing. I do NOT believe that the US government perpertrated this.

* It would take a lot more faith in people's ability to participate in and keep silent about it afterward than I have. Anyone who was able to blow the whistle would be famous for all time.

* The seqence of the various tragedies of that day are clearly traced on that link.

* Conspiracies are easy, and pander to the worst instincts of us all. In addition, there are people in this world for whom it is fun to manipulate a populace.

* It is up to the conspiracy theorists to answer and account for all the anomolies that don't fit AT ALL into their theories.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:02 PM

Why, thank you, Ebbie....glad to see someone read them! *grin*..

(what I have been TRYING to say all along is that explanations such as in those links are the sort we should 'normally' expect when confronted with strange events like confused broadcasters and molten metal in basements. It is only when we have folks whose entire mindset is aimed toward FINDING something more sinister than the already unhappy situation that we get these "shooting from the hip" theorists tossing out wild claims and daring others to refute them.)

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:25 PM

"* Conspiracies are easy, and pander to the worst instincts of us all. In addition, there are people in this world for whom it is fun to manipulate a populace."

Thank you for posting that Ebbie.

Many of the world's most violent acts of humanity against humanity have been the results of 'conspiracy theories"

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:30 PM

'Many of the world's most violent acts of humanity against humanity have been the results of 'conspiracy theories"'

Yep. And many of the world's most violent acts of humanity have been the results of conspiracies.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:33 PM

Peace ... I apologize for straying off the topic of the thread.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:34 PM

and there we have 2 true statements....neither of which actually supports any specific claims....

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:35 PM

Conspiracy against Libby

He was found guilty on 4 of 5 charges.

conspiracy theory 1
Basicly he is going to white collar prison for protecting his boss.

conspiracy theory 2
Rush Limbaugh says that "what we have here is a criminalization of politics. IF Ronald Reagan could say he didn't remember, why can't Libby?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:36 PM

(lest anyone think there is a conspiracy to silence me...I am just off to do woodworking now...*grin*)

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:36 PM

Cosmic conspiracy
Asteroids and comets could hit the Earth. Has anyone ever seen this happen? case closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:37 PM

Conspiracy theory

Why did Syria rattle its sabres and say that they have small pox weapons that they will use if the US should invade Iran.
(maybe they got Saddam's cache of weapons.)

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:38 PM

sIx: We go back too far for there ever to be any need of apologies between us. We've been friends for years, and nothing we say on this site is gonna change that.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: bubblyrat
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:42 PM

Well ,what if it really was a "conspiracy" , and the whole thing was planned and expedited by the US government ?? How are you going to PROVE it ?? What are you planning to DO about ?? What other theories have you got ?? Next ,you"ll be saying that the US government   knew about the Japanese fleet approaching Pearl Harbour, but held back the information,as they wanted an excuse to enter the war, in order to prevent the murder of any more Jews in Germany . Well,it"s POSSIBLE ,isn"t it ?? Like the British Government, who deliberately carried out the murder of Lord Mountbatten, in order to discredit the IRA, and then murdered Princess Diana because they didn"t like her boyfriend"s dad ?? And then discovered fairies at the bottom of the garden ??

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:43 PM

Borat is the father of Cheney's grandchild.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:02 PM

Monsanto Used Sick People Like Lab Rats In GM Trials

NRC used orphanages and GIs for radiation experiments

Electronic voting can be manipulated.

There have been over 100 atmospheric nuclear tests.
20 of which were done in near orbital space.

There are insecticides in your breakfast cereal.

George W's IQ is over 100.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:15 PM

And there are bugs crawling in your eyelashes, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:17 PM

Conspiracy theory
4 out of 5 dentists prefer Crest

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:39 PM

Ancient structure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkGTJEK0Mc&mode=related&search=

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:50 PM

And that would not be photo-shopped, NG?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: 3refs
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 02:04 PM

"Rush Limbaugh says that "what we have here is a criminalization of politics. IF Ronald Reagan could say he didn't remember, why can't Libby?"

Because they have photographic proof that Ronny was asleep at the wheel on more than one occasion.

I forgot! Pictures can be doctored.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:06 PM

If the film is doctored, it is beyond my expertise.
I wouldn't know where to begin

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:38 PM

I sat and watched a lot of that 'live'....I musta missed the 'alien structure' and commentary

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:11 PM

"How do you define the word "conspiracy"?"

Australian Law defines it as several people acting together (against the law) to produce an outcome detrimental to someone - these 'conspirators' do not even have to be in contact with each other, physically, or by any other communication means.

Case law.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:14 PM

bubblyrat, the USA high command DID know that a Japanese attack was imminent. They fully expected a wide-ranging Japanese attack to commence at any time after the beginning of Dec '41. They were nervously waiting for it. They had been tracking the Japanese carriers as best they could (by monitoring radio transmissions) and were perturbed by a sustained period of silence in those transmissions for a couple of weeks prior to Dec 7, suggesting strongly that the Japanese were commencing setting up a long range attack and attempting to avoid detection of same through radio silence.

Roosevelt DID want a war with Japan, and he made sure to get one by cutting off their overseas sources of oil and steel earlier in 1941 by a trade embargo. War was inevitable after that, and Roosevelt knew it.

Whether they knew Pearl Harbor would be hit is hard to say. They may have underestimated Japanese capability to launch a serious raid at that distance from their home bases. They certainly expected the Japanese to hit Clark Field (in the Phillipines) and invade the Phillipine Islands. They may or may not have expected them to hit Pearl...by "they", I mean FDR and the top brass.

I'd give it a 50/50 chance that they knew a raid was coming shortly on Pearl...but even if they did, I doubt they had the slightest notion just how effective and deadly the Japanese attack would be. They were accustomed to thinking of the Japanese forces as far inferior to those of the USA or Britain. They were in for a big surprise in that regard. The Japanese were far and away the MOST effective navy and naval air force in the world in 1941. They were superbly trained, experienced from years of fighting in China, and equipped with the finest naval aircraft squadrons in the world.

Roosevelt knew war was coming in late '41. He may have known an attack on Pearl was coming. But he did not know how competitive the Japanese war machine was.

In the end it didn't matter. The USA had the industrial strength to overwhelm both Japan AND Germany in the long run, and Roosevelt knew it. Therefore he arranged to get in the war by provoking Japan with his trade embargo. I'd have to say that it was a smart decision on FDR's part...and a most unfortunate and tragic decision on the part of the Japanese...but it was inevitable, considering their national character. "They preferred to die fighting than live on their knees..." to quote the old phrase.

So, did Roosevelt conspire to get the USA in a war with Japan...and in short order from there, with Germany? You bet he did. ;-) And like I say, probably a smart move on his part. Hitler fell for it like a lead balloon, and conveniently declared war on the USA, saving FDR the trouble of having to convince Congress to declare war on Germany first (which could have taken some time to arrange, given that Germany had not yet attacked the USA).

Roosevelt was clever. Bush's wars, however, I do not call a smart move. I think they rank among the dumbest moves ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:15 PM

Now we have the definition of 'conspiracy' and 'conspiracy theory' established ... let the posts continue ................

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:18 PM

Thanks for the history refresh LH ... I remember all that rhetoric in my grade 10 history.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:19 PM

I should have added that it is the 'outcome' as interpreted by The Law that establishes a conspiracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:29 PM

That Australian definition sounds like a pretty good one to me, Foolestroupe. Yes, we all assume that a "conspiracy" implies results that are detrimental to someone, and also illegal.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:31 PM

The Canadian legal definition of Conspiracy ...

Conspiracy: A criminal offence that is complete whenever two or more persons (other than a husband and wife) agree to do something that is unlawful, or something that is lawful by unlawful means.

So ... are we playing Australian rules or what?

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:37 PM

"(other than a husband and wife)"

So, wot's the odds Bush and Cheney tie the knot?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:39 PM

Number 6, I recall Grade 10 history in New York State. I do not recall ever being offered a hint that Roosevelt made moves which might have been intended to provoke Japan into launching a war. All I remember was lots of emphasis on the "day of infamy" aspect, the "sneak attack", the cruelty and bestiality of the Japanese, and stuff like that.

I mean, it was as if they were still trying to get us schoolkids mad enough to enlist right away and go off to Asia and kill "slant-eyed, bucktoothed little maniacs" for America....and that was a whole generation later, after the fact.

How long does hatred for another people have to be maintained in a "free society"? And what for? What good could it possibly do?

Would it serve to expiate guilt for having dropped atomic bombs on 2 cities, and incinerating a few others with conventional bombing? I wonder.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:39 PM

That's the issue peace ... do we go for the Australian rules?

I think the Canadian definition would just make things to complicated if we apply them to this thread.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:59 PM

LH ... to bad you went to an American High school .. I do remember my grade 10 history and the mention of the of the Americans forcing the Japanese with various embargos to tempt them into hostile aggression.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 08:04 PM

"do we go for the Australian rules?"

Aussie Rules is getting popular in the USA

(Our friends from the Great White North (Canada) have challenged us (USA) to a junior Aussie Rules match to be held in Vancouver, BC, in the summer of '07. ...)

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 08:31 PM

The latin derivation of the word conspiracy is "to breathe together"

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST,9q4ruj f j pvu u
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:24 PM

Some of the folks you're talking to are from the "greatest generation" in the U.S., Little Hawk. Those old hogs aren't going to lift a lip against the government because it might endanger their pensions. Kudos for trying to educate them, though.

I need to go back and find my categorization effort...the thing I was doing on the issue of denial. The people supporting the boxcutter Jihad myth are a pretty fascinating group. The ones who aren't govt operatives, that is.

I just heard part of an interview, and the next big slap in the face of the govt's 9/11 lie may involve a retiring Northwest airline pilot. Says he has evidence of a missile guidance system in Boeing's planes. A quick search shows this on the system, known as the QRS-11. The thing definitely exists, and Boeing paid fines for using the dangerous system. A Boeing spokesman said:

"We have not resolved QRS-11 [a gyrochip Boeing exported inside some of its commercial jets without an export license between 2000 and 2003], which is a BCA issue. But the other four, we have paid a total of $50 million in penalties, we've had three consent decrees and several special compliance officers...."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002772424_boeingtranscript31.html

Some stuff about this on infowars.com's page today. Then, oddly, this story appeared in a U.K. paper 3 days ago:

New autopilot will make another 9/11 impossible

Scientists at aircraft giant Boeing are testing the tamper-proof autopilot system which uses state-of-the-art computer and satellite technology.

It will be activated by the pilot flicking a simple switch or by pressure sensors fitted to the cockpit door that will respond to any excessive force as terrorists try to break into the flight deck.

Once triggered, no one on board will be able to deactivate the system. Currently, all autopilots are manually switched on and off at the discretion of pilots....

The pilot being interviewed said this system most likely uses the QRS-11, and that's what took over control of the planes on 9/11.

The "official version" of 9/11 is dead. Decapitated, drawn and quartered. Yet some people think it's still walking around. All you can do is repeat the obvious and add more grains of sand to the scale as they appear.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:30 PM

I gotta ask this: What does 9q4ruj f j pvu u mean? And how does he/she remember to type it the same way every time?
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:34 PM

Hmmm. Well, that's interesting. The technology certainly exists to fly planes automatically wherever you want to fly them, and crash them too, if you want to. Only question is, was it involved at all in 911?

Number 6 - Yeah, I would've loved to have been in school in Canada instead at the time, I can assure you. ;-) I was in a small and spectacularly rightwing town in upstate New York. "Liberals" were definitely an endangered species around there...in fact, they were almost unheard of. Rural New York State is a very different world from New York City in that respect. I moved back to Canada in '69, after finishing high school.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST,9q4ruj f j pvu u
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:47 PM

The name came to me in a sneeze. Now I use my great powers of copy and paste to summon it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:01 PM

WHAT DOES KATRINA RELIEF AND WALTER REED HAVE IN COMMON?

The same private firm hired by FEMA to deliver life saving water and ice to NEw Orleans (3 weeks late) is the very same firm that the Defense Dept. outsourced the care and maintenence of Walter Reed with less than 100 private employees which replaced 400 - 500 experienced goverment workers.

The company's name, I A P Worldwide Services.
http://www.iapws.com/who/heritage.aspx

What I have not been able to find out yet is if they are a subsidery of Kellog Brown and Root / Halliburton.

But they smell the same so far. http://www.iapws.com/who/heritage.aspx

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:06 PM

"The letter said Walter Reed also awarded a five-year, $120-million contract to IAP Worldwide Services, which is run by Al Neffgen, a former senior Halliburton official."

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:13 PM

"IAP is owned by Cerberus Capital Management, a New York hedge fund chaired by John W. Snow, the former Treasury secretary [under George W Bush]. The company specializes in global operations and logistics, facilities management, and professional and technical services. Last year, IAP acquired Johnson Controls World Services, a longtime federal contractor."

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:22 PM

Interesting to note that

1) Cerberus is the dog that guards the gates of Hell
2) Cerberus owns Bushmaster Firearms