Tune Req: Tramps and Hawkers

Subject: Tramps and hawkers
From: alison
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 05:48 AM

Hi

Heard a band doing this at the weekend, they said it was by the Battlefield Band.

I know the lyrics are in the database ..... as is a tune, but the tune in the database is basically "The homes of Donegal" they did a different more minor tune.

Anyone able to help out thanks. Real audio would be great (eh Joe?).... but I'd be happy with midi.

Slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Tramps and hawkers
From: Barry Finn
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 09:18 AM

Hi alison, I don't know the tune to "The Homes Of Donegal" but from the looks of what's in the DT it could fit the same as "Tramps & Hawkers" which is the same tune as "Paddy West". Don't know if this helps at all. Barry

Subject: RE: Tramps and hawkers
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 09:23 AM

Hi Alison!

I've heard this from a hundered singers but never to a different tune than "Paddy West." As a matter of fact, when people speak about "Paddy West," they usually say that it's to the tune of "Come All Ye Tramps and Hawkers."

Singers who record a lot could be specifically looking for something different. If the Battlefields were to record "Tramps," it wouldn't surprise me that they would be more likely to do it with a completely different melody, should they be able to find it, because the standard one is so common (e.g. also "Captain Wedderburn's Courtship," "Peter Amberly," etc.).

Sorry to answer a question with an anecdote. Hope you find what you are looking for.

All the best, Dan

Subject: RE: Tramps and hawkers
From: Art Thieme
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 11:24 PM

Have always done "Lakes Of Ponchartrain" to this same tune...

Subject: RE: Tramps and hawkers
From: Barry Taylor
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 01:26 AM

I've done a midi of it (Come All Ye Tramps and Hawkers), available here with lyrics, Alison... http://www3.islandnet.com/~btaylor/scotmidi.htm

Darned if I know which melody I used, though. I'll leave it to you folk archivists to pinpoint that. ;-)

Subject: RE: Tramps and hawkers
From: alison
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 07:57 AM

Hi Barry,

where have you been hiding this site.... it's wonderful.... heaps of tunes and songs.

Taylor's Traditional Tunebook

Hey Joe .... does this mean I'm perfect now? (**grin**)

PS Barry your tune is the same as the others named above.... I know it as "The Homes of Donegal".

Slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Tramps and hawkers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Oct 98 - 12:11 PM

Yes, dear, anything you say, dear...
Well, of course you're perfect....
(But it's better not to use quotation marks within a link because they can do horrible things if you goof them up)

A search of the database under "Hawkers" brings up a number of interesting songs. Tom Russell did nice recording of a Jim Ringer song he called "Tramps and Hawkers" on THE ROSE OF THE SAN JOAQUIN CD (we call it "Rose of SJ" in the database).
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tramps and hawkers
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 01 Nov 98 - 04:05 AM

"Tramps & Hawkers" must be one of the most popular tunes (along with "Sweet Betsy from Pike") for zipper songs, where you zip out the old words and add your own. Ewan MacColl used it for "England's Motorway", it was used for "The manchester Martyrs" (Fenian song of the 1850's), also "The River Roe" in Joyce; Tommy Armstrong used it for his most famous song "The Durham Lockout" (1892) and there are several BC songs to it, too.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tramps and Hawkers
From: Lighter
Date: 16 Nov 25 - 05:22 PM

Here's a Civil War broadside to the tune of "The River Roe" (alias "Paddy West"/ "Tramps and Hawkers" (preceded by a splendid instrumental rendition of "Garryowen"):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHh62YMNVpY

David Kincaid is a first-class singer, musician, arranger, and producer who specializes in American Civil War broadsides about Irish-Americans.

I don't know the guy, but I recommend his stuff highly!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tramps and Hawkers
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 25 - 07:31 PM

And "Rose of the San Joaquin", Jim Ringer. (Gopherit)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tramps and Hawkers
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Nov 25 - 06:13 AM

Lakes of Pontchartrain
The Wild Colonial Boy
Spancil Hill

They're all basically the same tune as Tramps and Hawkers.

I don't think I've ever heard Paddy West.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tramps and Hawkers
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Nov 25 - 07:32 AM

The ur-recording:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gBYdN6wgHA