Tramps and Hawkers

Subject: Tramps and Hawkers
From: GUEST,Anne
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 05:08 PM

I’ve come across a song titled Tramps and Hawkers also titled Rose of the San Joaquin. I’ve seen it attributed to both Tom Russell and Jim Ringer, and I know that there’s an older song titled Tramps and Hawkers. My question is, who wrote the more contemporary one, Ringer or Russell?

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: GUEST,#
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 05:43 PM

http://jopiepopie.blogspot.com/2014/08/come-all-ye-tramps-and-hawkers-1890s.html

Check down near the bottom of that link for more info.

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: Reinhard
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 06:20 PM

The Rose of San Joaquin (Copyright Jim Ringer) in the Digital Tradition

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: GUEST,Andrew MacGowan
Date: 12 Aug 23 - 11:16 AM

The tune of Tramps and Hawkers is not unlike the Irish tune The Winding Banks of Erne.

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: meself
Date: 12 Aug 23 - 03:27 PM

Many sets of lyrics have been put to this melody and its variants.

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 12 Aug 23 - 04:47 PM

do yourself a favour, go back a bit further & listen to the great Scottish traveller singer Davie Stewart, singing it with his accordion.

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Aug 23 - 04:51 PM

"Gypsies, hawkers, tramps,
We hear it from the people of the town,
They call us"

With apologies to Cher / Bob Stone

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 13 Aug 23 - 10:26 AM

The song was collected from Jimmy Mc Beath. The tune is a standard ballad tune, most associated with 'Captain Wedderburn's Courtship'. Gipsy folk have used the tune time and again. I collected a version of 'John Reilly' to this tune on the 'Marton Moss, near Blackpool.

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 13 Aug 23 - 01:48 PM

the song was in Davie Stewart's repertoire along with other classics. He ( the 'Galoot'and Jimmy McBeath were old pals but there was a rivalry between them-

I remember them scoring points off each other 'ken this wan?'at that seminal Blairgowrie TMSA festival in 1967

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 13 Aug 23 - 05:13 PM

I was going to mention Jimmy McBeath, but you got there before me!
As others have mentioned, the tune has been used a lot for other songs: a friend told me she had written a new song, and was thinking of putting it to that tune. I suggested, as kindly as I could, that perhaps a different tune might make her song more original.

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 15 Aug 23 - 02:57 AM

Tom Russell ~ The Rose Of San Joaquin     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vykQKEqq8bw
Many recordings of"Tramps and Hawkers on YouTube"    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Tramps+and+Hawkers+song

Subject: RE: Tramps and Hawkers
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 15 Aug 23 - 03:07 AM

Jim Ringer - Tramps and Hawkers     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEwYiBkFayE