BS: Millions Marching for Peace!

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 04:17 PM

If you remember there was a wave of symnpathy and support from all round the planet, including from inside countries currently described as part of this "axis of evil".

There is no reason whatsoever to link September 11th to Iraq. For that matter the link to anything happening in Afghanistan is not all that convincing. The main places where September 11th appears tomhave been planned and orgaised appears to have been inside the USA, in Western Europe, and in Saudi Arabia.

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 04:30 PM

Tar heel, what are you smoking?

Immediately following the attack on September 11th, America had the genuine sympathy and support of the world. The enemy was international terrorism and we were the victims. Since then, George W. Bush and his Merry Men have managed to squander all of that, and THIS is the result.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 05:23 PM

Yeah, Don, I read that this morning in the Washington Post. Pretty incredible turn of sympathies in the world in just such a short time.
I think the "huff, puff and whack you" foreign policy that cowboy Bush has brought to Washington could use some serious warrenty work.

What? No Warrenty! Why would we elect a guy without a warre.....

Nevermind!

I forgot.

*We* didn't. His daddy's Supreme Court did...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: TIA
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 05:30 PM

tar heel;

Know where the millions of protestors were right after 9/11? I know where this one was - donating blood and loaning equipment to the rescuers. Didn't have time to protest. Oh yeah, and I'm not a citizen of Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, nor a member of Al Quaida, so I tend to have little say with THEIR leadership. Actually, as it turns out, I have little say with MY leadership. Sheesh.

Subject: Hurray for Colfax California Peace Marchers!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Mar 03 - 09:28 PM

Well, they say the population of my little town of Colfax, California, is 1,496. I have to say I'm pretty proud that 50 or more people from my town braved the rain and cold today and showed up for a wonderful peace march. I think we must have covered three or four miles, walking along the Interstate 80 frontage road. The traffic was heavy today because of the skiers coming down from the Sierra, so we got good exposure. Lots of friendly honks, and just a few raised middle fingers.

I was amazed at how many truckers gave us a horn blast when they saw our "Honk for Peace" signs.

We were followed by a small group of maybe 20 pro-war demonstrators. I thought it was kind of nice that we were all in line together, speaking for what we believe in.


Hurray for Colfax, California, Population 1,496!!!!

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Mar 03 - 09:46 PM

Good on you, Joe!

Hey, whatn you folks did was as important as what we did in D.C. yesterday. Maybe more!

I'm so proud of folks in small communities where folks know each other who step out and say "Not In Out Name". That takes courage.

Just keep going after Wednesday or Thursday when the satkes go higher and Bush does something that has not been done since Teddy Roosevelt did in 1898: invade another country!

But for tonight, inspite of the fact that I have participated in 3 of the 4 major demonstrations in D.C. over the last 6 months, I'm danged proud of you folks fighting it out in the smaller 'burgs! Danged proud!

Peace (Reist War, if you will...)

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Troll
Date: 16 Mar 03 - 11:21 PM

Bobert, have you seriously considered the possible consequences to the world if Saddam isn't stopped?
Suppose your protests stop an invasion. With the last twelve years as a blueprint, Saddam would reduce cooperation to the point that the inspectors would leave, just like the last time. France, Germany, and North Korea would continue to supply him with weapons and technology just as they have been doing.
And then he tests a nuclear device and decides that he is strong enough to take Kuwait again or have another go at Iran using nuclear blackmail. Or maybe he would decide to hit Israel and wipe out all the cities but Jerusalem.
We could easily have a nuclear war is he isn't stopped now.
Have you considered the fact that that would be "In Your Name"?

troll

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: DougR
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 03:18 AM

No, Troll, Bobert doesn't even think in those terms. To Bobert & Company, only these things are important (IMO): war with Iraq must be avoided at all costs.

He and those who think like him evidently believe that if nothing is done, Saddam will become a good guy. He will not continue to develop his program of producing weapons of mass destruction, he will be nice to his neighbors, he will never be a threat to anyone, and he will attend church every Sunday.

That does not, however coincide with his statement of today. He is quoted by CNN, the major networks (I'll not mention Fox News in deference to Toad)as saying, "If attacked, Iraq will take the war anywhere in the world, wherever there is sky, land or water."

Now if Saddam is serious about that, he must have a means to do it, right? Liberals are fond of pointing out that he has no ties to terrorists, so he couldn't do it by providing assistance to terrorists could he? He has no long-range missles, and no weapons of mass destruction, no airforce to speak of, no navy, so how do you suppose he proposes to carry out his threat?

Bobert?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Aug 03 - 09:47 PM

And the millions who marched have now been proven right. Now I wonder how all this mess in Iraq is going to get cleaned up. Will we ever have peace in the Middle East?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Aug 03 - 11:15 PM

Yeah, Joe, I don't hear these conquerers beatin' on their chests these days. Seems that their guy lied thru his teeth and thyis was done at a time when millions of olks were on the streets saying to him "You'd better have the evidence, Buster, 'cause we don't see it your way!" and now we find, that he didn't have squat! And worse than not having squat is that he still says he had "good intellegence". What kind of liar is caught lieing and just tells another lie? A stupid one, that's what kind....

We told all you war mongers to slow down but you couldn't wait to go out and have the world's greatest super p[ower whip up on a third rate army. Did you enjoy it? Like, was it good for you? You still enjoying it?

Next time around, listen to reason. If you all want to see some folks hurt, buy a ticket to yer local boxing event, but, fir God's sake, don't give this President a blank check to attack people. That is just a reflection on your intellegence level....

Don't want to hear it? Quit supporting stupid imperialstic foriegn policy...

"Pompous" Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 02:52 PM

In The March of Folly: From Troy to Vietnam, the late Barbara Tuchman (one of America's foremost historians) examines the tendency of governments to act stubbornly and perversely against their own best interests. As Ms. Tuchman outlines it, a particular course of action must meet three criteria to be considered folly:

1. It must have been seen as such by contemporaries; people at the time saw it as foolhardy and said so, but were ignored.
2. Another, better, course of action (seen to have been such by many people at the time) must have been available;
3. The decision to follow the ill-advised course of action was not just the decision of one individual, it was espoused by both the leader and a group of his supporters.

These three criteria serve to separate true folly from the incompetence and/or insanity of an individual ruler. In her book, Tuchman analyses three monumental historical "screw-ups." The semi-mythological fall of Troy as a result of a stupid decision made after the war had been all but won; how the Renaissance Popes provoked the Protestant uprising that eventually led to the Thirty Years' War (in which nearly one third of Europe's population was wiped out); and the Vietnam war.

If Barbara Tuchman, a remarkably lucid historian and writer, were still alive, she could add yet another chapter or two to her excellent book. Not only has the Iraqi war not accomplished what the Bush Administration claimed it would (by way of excuses for pre-emptively invading), it has failed to accomplish the Bush Administration's hidden agenda.

These recent events amply demonstrate that the "political animal" is incapable of learning and evolving--and they further demonstrate the necessity of reasserting limits on the powers of government.

If Bush, the usurper, thinks he can do what he has done so far, imagine what he might do if he gets "re-elected" and thinks he has a mandate, not just from Karl Rove and the rest of the neo-conservative cabal (and, or course, God), but the American people as well. It's obvious that an even worse folly would be for American voters to actually elect the Bush Administration to office in 2004.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: michaelr
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 07:29 PM

I think "folly" is too nice-sounding a word -- it rhymes with "jolly", ferchrissakes.

"Idiocy" or "criminal stupidity" would be my choice.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 10:01 PM

Thanks for putting me on to Barbara Tuchman, Don. Will follow up.

Apparently US troops today killed a couple of the Iraqi cops they've been recruiting and training. And we've just been allowed a glimpse Basra, which is under British occupancy, and which turns out to be a nightmare, with no fuel to power air-conditioning, fridges or anything else. (I can only quote snapshot impressions, because by and large the world's press has moved on, and Iraq is disappearing down the news agenda as quickly as Afghanistan did once it became an insoluble nightmare.

I was going to say whoever would have expected things to turn out any less messy than they have? I would have meant it rhetorically. But skimming some of the old posts here I realise that there are those who did indeed dream the dream. DougR may even now be watching for the skies to turn black with Iraqi missiles. And troll will be wondering why there has been no Iraqi nuclear assault on Israel, an acknowledged nuclear power.

It is good to hear, via Mudcat, that there are, or have been, protests throughout the US as well as in Europe, the middle east, etc, because the UK press tells us litle about them.

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 11:29 PM

Absolutely correct, Fionn. Lots of us were onto Bush and Blair long before the invasion. Millions of us took to the streets around the world telling B&B that they had better take a long hard look at their justifications and evidence. However, now we see that B&B couldn't have cared less about evidence. Their loud and repeated lies trumped the truth.

Now the truth is now fighting its way to the surface. For Teribus, DougR, et al, what is your latest story?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 10:57 PM

Yes as a matter of fact, Doug R, I agreed with you that if I was wrong I would admit it to you. But alas, I am unable to yet comply.(wink)
I finally got my photos developed from that day, this week. I took a lot of good ones and am happy I became involved in the marches. It was good for my soul.
Still raising my voice for PEACE! Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 11:26 PM

Don't expect to hear much from Dougie, RR. Or Teribus. Or, ahhh, well you know the cast who were poundin' the war drum a few months back. Their drum is quiet now. Their rationalizations for war lay like 3 week old road kill. No, you won't hear from these folks. They don't know what to say since their boys don't know what to say either. They would just rather that no one asks any questions so they don't have to tell any more lies....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 01:00 PM

Remember how all the ranters at Fox and Clear Channel called on the millions of marching, Saddam-loving, traitorous peaceniks to apologize for being so wrong? I'm still waiting for an answer to "wrong about what?"

TIA uncookied

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: DougR
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 05:08 PM

I still think the U. S., Great Britain, and the rest of the coalition did the right thing. They will get it all sorted out sometime in the future, and the Iraqi people will be the better off because of it.

I assume, when evidence that Saddam was indeed pursuing production of weapons of mass destruction all of you naysayers will admit you were wrong, right?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: ard mhacha
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 04:26 PM

Doug, Do you look at the News?, even the US media realise your Government have blundered into an unsolvable situation. Never in our life-time will the Iraqi chaos be sorted out.
Day after day a US soldier is killed, this has all of the makings of an even worse situation than the British problem in Ireland.Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: MILLIONS MARCHING FOR PEACE!
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 06:22 AM

"...pursuing weapons of mass destruction" DougR? You and your leaders really are singing off the same hymn sheet! You even water down your claims in unison.