BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:39 PM

Yes, Dickey, thats true if you were Shia but what about the Sunnis?

And now that the Shias and Kurds have the power in Iraq, it is mostly Sunnis who are fleeing Iraq - 3.8 million of them.

btw - You still have not answered the question as to how many Iraqis were uprooted by Saddam.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:20 PM

What about the Sunnis? Maybe they shouldn't have blown up the Golden Mosque at Sammara.

These are refugees from Saddam's Iraq that you wondered about.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:15 PM

You are making no sense, Dickey, and you aren't even attempting to answer the question or use any logic.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 12:26 AM

If you want to make sense ask a perticular question besides what about XXX?

"Yes, Dickey, thats true if you were Shia but what about the Sunnis"

What does that mean?

First the Sunnis were in power and not being persecuted under Saddam so there was no reason to "flee".

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 02:08 AM

Here's the question, Dickey, plain and simple just like the first post.

How many Iraqis were uprooted by Saddam?

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 01:53 AM

Why is it my task to seek out information about a point you are trying to make?

Make your point yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 09:52 AM

displaced families are returning

Brigadier Qasim Ata, an authorized Baghdad Operation spokesman, told al-Sabah that for the 3rd day in a row dozens of displaced families are returning to their homes. 35 families returned in Madain, 7 in hay al-I'ilam and small numbers of families in various districts of Baghdad.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 01:10 PM

Dickey -

First you say, "ask a perticular question."

Then you say, "Why is it my task to seek out information about a point you are trying to make?"

Telling me how many are returning to Iraq does not tell me how many were displaced by Saddam.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Dickey
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:21 AM

How many Iraqis were uprooted by Saddam? That's your point?


"Just look at Iraqi opposition in exile - drawn from among four millions fled Iraq since Saddam took power in 1979"

"http://www.mideastnews.com/iraq0703203.html

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 03:15 AM

Interesting link. I actually think some of what Adel Darwish is saying has some truth to it.

I would like to know, however, where he got his facts and figures about those who fled Saddam. He may have drawn them out of the hat for all I know. I didn't notice any footnotes.

Although his wtitten English is quite good, he needs to improve his grammar. How old do you think he is? How old are you, Dickey?

I hope, Dickey, that you paid close attention to this:

Copyright © Adel Darwish & Mideast News 2003. All rights reserved. No part of this site may be reproduced or transmitted in any form by any means or used for any business purpose without the written consent of the publisher.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Dickey
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:19 PM

Now you have got me worried.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Dickey
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:45 AM

"The flight of its best and brightest professionals is nothing new in Iraq. Under Saddam Hussein, an estimated 4 million people fled into exile. After the fall of the Hussein regime, many emigres returned in the hopes that Iraq would become a center of learning, scientific research, and art in the Arab world. However, instability and violence have forced many professionals to flee the country, despite the government raising their salaries in an effort to keep them from leaving."
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/11/d0c40243-4975-49f8-9fe4-536f108b95a9.html

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:53 AM

Interesting - an estimated 4 million fled under Saddam and 3.8 million fled after the U.S. invasion.

I'd say Iraq definitely is experiencing a brain-drain (they are the only ones who can afford to get out) and the rest of us have a refugee crisis on our hands.

Seems to me that the U.S. should accept more Iraqi refugees. In fact, Britain, Australia and the U.S. should share the responsibility. If they can't accomodate them, they should at least help Syria and Iran with the financial responsibility. Instead the U.S. is proposing sanctions against Iran. It hardly seems fair.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Dickey
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:07 PM

"the U.S. is proposing sanctions against Iran" That was Carter.

Sanctions Against Iran Executive Order 12211.

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and statutes of the United States, including Section 203 of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1702), Section 301 of Title 3 of the United States Code, Sections 1732 and 2656 of Title 22 of the United States Code, and Section 301 of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1631), in order to take steps additional to those set forth in Executive Order No. 12170 of November 14, 1979, and Executive Order No. 12205 of April 7, 1980, to deal with the threat to the national security, foreign policy and economy of the United States referred to in those Orders, and the added unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy and economy of the United States created by subsequent events in Iran and neighboring countries, including the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, with respect to which I hereby declare a national emergency, and to carry out the policy of the United States to deny the use of its resources to aid, encourage or give sanctuary to those persons involved in directing, supporting or participating in acts of international terrorism, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Make any payment, transfer of credit, or other transfer of funds or other property or interests therein, except for purposes of family remittances.

The following transactions are prohibited, notwithstanding any contracts entered into or licenses granted before the date of this Order:

Effective immediately, the direct or indirect import from Iran into the United States of Iranian goods or services, other than materials imported for news publication or news broadcast dissemination.

Effective immediately, any transactions with a foreign person or foreign entity by any citizen or permanent resident of the United States relating to that person's travel to Iran after the date of this Order."

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Now The UN has sanctions against Iran.

What are these sanctions? Do any of them harm the Iranian people ot just their rogue nuclear program?

Resolution 1737 (December 23, 2006)
The Security Council unanimously imposed sanctions against Iran. The text, calling for steps required by the IAEA, bans trade with Iran of all items, materials, equipment, goods and technology which could contribute to Tehran's uranium enrichment program and contains a list of persons and entities, whose assets are subject to a freeze. It also established a new sanctions committee to monitor compliance of the resolution."


5+1 Group meets to discuss possible additional sanctions on Iran

"Representatives of the world's six major powers held a meeting here Tuesday morning to discuss a draft resolution imposing additional sanctions on Iran, with the media still speculating on what these sanctions would actually be.

Five permanent members of the UN Security Council -- China, Russia, Britain, France and the US -- plus Germany met in Britain's mission at the UN...
..Based on media speculation, the US and Britain are doing their utmost to pass a new draft resolution [at the UN] that would impose tougher sanctions on Iran than those imposed in UN Security Council Resolution 1737, passed in December.

These include a ban on the sale of nuclear and ballistic missile-related materials to Iran and a freeze on financial assets of Iranians involved in its nuclear programs as well as a ban on travel by these officials."

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Dickey
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 11:33 AM

"their homeland has been destroyed"

How much of their homeland has been destroyed?

How is it in Northern Iraq where the Sunnis did not touch off sectarian violence?

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 12:32 PM

"How is it in Northern Iraq where the Sunnis did not touch off sectarian violence?"

As you know, that is Kurdish territory. They really do not see the civil war in Iraq as their problem although they will do whatever it takes to keep the U.S. on their side. They have their own agenda.

Do your homework and answer your own question.

Better yet, start another thread.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Dickey
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 11:20 PM

Dianavan: You say in typical inconclusive open ended style "their homeland has been destroyed"

Does this mean all of it or part of it? If it is a partial destruction, which parts?

You brought up homeland destruction in this thread so tell us how much of it is destroyed and if it is not too much work, what parties are doing this?

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 02:49 AM

Dickey - You can't possibly be so stupid as to believe that Iraq has been untouched by the U.S. invasion. Why do you think people are leaving? Would you want to live there? Don't be such a complete idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Dickey
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 04:03 PM

Dianavan:

Again, you need to clarify your statement. Was it touched or 100% destroyed or what?

No it has not been untouched.
No I wouldn't want to live there.
I will not be a complete idiot.

How come it is so difficult for you to answer questions?

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 04:18 PM

Dickey - If you know alphabetical order, you can look up the word 'destroyed' in the dictionary.

Yes, I believe that the U.S. invasion has destroyed Iraq. It will take years to re-build and even then, national treasures will never be recovered.