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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: pdq Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:15 PM About the AL Sharpton rallye: "Let the line stretch. They're already going to say there were only 2,000 or 3,000 of you here," Sharpton said. "If people start heckling, smile at them. This ain't about you, it's about Dr. King." "Glen Beck, we're going to show you. We ain't going to let Glenn Beck turn us around," one man shouted into a mega phone. The crowd followed him..." There were 2-3000 following Rev Al and at least 1/4 million listening to Tony LaRussa, Louis Pujols, Sarah Palin, and dozens of others praise the United States, the US Constitution, the American Middle Class and our military personel. Positive all the way. Sharpton and his little group were calling people names and bragging that "they" had the White House. They were not showing any of unifying spirit of MLK. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Desert Dancer Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:50 PM Q, I'm with you on divisions weakening this country, but when you say "middle-class, conservative Americans, who have built the country", that exemplifies the problem that Bobert is talking about: Bobert's tirade is against middle class, conservative Americans who think that they built America *alone*, and that those who are not part of that group are a threat to "their America". I'm with Bobert on that. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 29 Aug 10 - 05:31 PM Thank you, Becky... It real easy for the Qs of the3 world to try to marginalize the observations I make because they have no interest in dealiong with "non" red meat issues... BTW, I finally got my printed adition of the Washington Post and was looking at about 300 people at the Beck/Palin rally assembled by the Reflecting Pool and so I kinda did an informal demographic study of the 200 or so that I could see well and here's what I found: White: 100% Male: 60% Female: 40% Obese Males: 80% Obese females: 70% Now, of course, this is not scientific but given it was a sampling I found it to be very telling... BTW, Obesity costs the US taxpayers billions of dollars a year in medical treatement fro daibetes, heart desease, etc... So these people want their country back??? Waht are they gonna do with it??? Eat it??? (That was a small joke, folks)... But seriously, I have commented on this in the past... Seems the less educated the higher the obseity rates so I figure if 4 outta every 5 males at the Beck rally were obese then, hey, not alot of brain power there... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: akenaton Date: 29 Aug 10 - 06:19 PM Woah there Bobert, you're gettin' into dangerous territory pal :0) Step back and take a couple of deep breaths before you gallop off down that road.....Pursued by a dozen hefty mudcatters!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 29 Aug 10 - 07:48 PM Well, okay, Ake.... The point is, however, that I doubt if 80% of Mudcatters are obese and those that are may have metabolic or glanual situation... I doubt seriously if 80% Beck's male supporter/worshipers have those situations... Plus, we're talkin' males here... I understand that womenz after a ceratin age have different metobolisms than their make counterparts and, hey, I like a full figured womenz but... ...80% in males??? No excuse, Buuba... Put down the Budweiser and take up walkin'... Ohter than from yer Camaro to the garndstands at the next NASCAR race... Or to the frig fir another Bud... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: akenaton Date: 29 Aug 10 - 08:09 PM No grovelling!.....you done said it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: ichMael Date: 29 Aug 10 - 09:39 PM From The Black Agenda Report, written by Glen Ford (a black man): We Are Cornered: There's No Way Out Without A Fight A corporate offensive is rolling down upon us, aimed at wholesale privatization of the public sector. If the Left has learned anything in the last year and a half, it should be that President Obama is Wall Street's guy, having "delivered the highest return on corporate campaign investment in the history of bourgeois democracy." In this struggle, the people will be left to their own devices.... Obama and finance capital began an early, thoroughly vetted, and white hot love affair that was anchored in mutual contempt for those who would challenge the rule of money. He has delivered the highest return on corporate campaign investment in the history of bourgeois democracy, allowing Wall Street to pocket at least $12 trillion in return for contributions of less than $1 million per investment house.... Most devastatingly, Obama and his Democratic legislative allies have successfully shielded their Wall Street masters from anything worthy of the name financial reform. This means finance capital and its "shadow," derivatives-based economy (nominally, ten times bigger than the "real" global economy) remain beyond the reach of meaningful public intervention by conventional methods. With the air knocked out of mainstream reformers' bony chests, Wall Street is poised for a Great Offensive against the political and social infrastructure of the United States.... http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/we-are-cornered-theres-no-way-out-without-fight I bet even MLK would want to kick Obama's ass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 29 Aug 10 - 09:50 PM And exactly how does this relate to this thread??? (Oh yeah, Obama is black and so was MLK and Al Sharpton, Boberdz...) Oh, then I reckon that I could just start talkin' about, ahhhhhh, Donald Duck because Walt Disney was white and so is Gken Beck??? Come on, itch... Start another thread if ya like but don't play games... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: ichMael Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:28 PM Glen Ford points out that Obama is Wall Street's guy. That's not good for you, is it, as you try to portray the "wealthy Republicans" as different from the Democrats? Beck/Palin/Obama are all on the same team. They are all part of the Establishment Party. Everybody knows that now. The divide and conquer stuff is losing its effectiveness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:08 AM From: Q Date: 29 Aug 10 - 02:08 PM Bobert's tirade is really against middle-class, conservative Americans, who have built the country, and only emphasizes the divisions that are weakening the country. Middle-class conservative Americans who built the country ... on the graves of murdered Natives, using the slave-driver's whip. Don't drink the Tea! Don't drink the Tea! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:51 AM Listen, itchy... I'm noy discounting the importance of yer post... I think it would make for a good thread... Just doesn't fit here... How about starting another thread on it... It ***is*** important... Yeah, Neil... Bingo!!! There are one shitload of disenfrancised people in this country and I find it hypocritical that the infastructure and wealth of the nation was buld mainly on the backs of balck laborers yet it's these crybaby white people who didn't bother to get an education who we now hear crying ***for more***... That's the real deal here... The conversation we should be having is one about *repair*ations for out African American citizens, who BTW, ancestors have been here a lot longed than most of the crybabies... Yeah, let's take care of little situation... Or at least own up to our history... Then we can get around to the larger issue and that is that everyone in the working class is getting poked in the posterior by Boss Hog & Co... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 30 Aug 10 - 11:05 AM "the Washington Post and was looking at about 300 people at the Beck/Palin rally " And if ** I ** select a picture of a rally, showing less than .1 %, YOU will allow me to draw conclusions to match MY biases? I somehow doubt you will give ANYONE the rights YOU claim for yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Aug 10 - 03:23 PM The 300,000 (minimum estimate) contained mostly middle class people from all parts of the country, some of whom came at great expense. They disaprove of current conditions; they will vote against the party in power, but are not wedded to either one. Obesity is a world problem, not confined to any group. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Cool Beans Date: 30 Aug 10 - 05:18 PM Al Sharpton, Glenn Beck: Douchebags of the Left and Right. I hope they're happy together. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:37 PM "Different faiths, different colors Day Gardner (left) and Alveda King at Restoring Honor rally The crowd itself included veterans, parents, disabled Americans, people of all ages and – contrary to some criticism leveled against the rally – attendees of many races and ethnicities. Day Gardner, president of the National Black Pro-Life Union based in Washington, D.C., for example, stood on the platform with Alveda King as she recalled her uncle Martin Luther King Jr.'s historic "I Have a Dream" speech. Before the multitudes assembled Alveda King proclaimed, "If Uncle Martin could be here today … he would surely remind us that as brothers and sisters, united by one blood in one single race, the human race, we are called to honor God and to love each other." Praising the entire rally, Gardner exclaimed, "It was phenomenal! "It felt great to be up there with all these wonderful leaders, the black pro-life leaders from all over the country," Gardner said. "I was extremely proud of my sister in Christ and my dear friend, Dr. Alveda King. … Seeing her walk out where her uncle and her father were 47 years ago – my eyes welled up, and I had a lump in my throat, because we have come a really long way." " http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=197029 |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:54 PM Wrong rally, bb... I specifially said it was the Beck rally... How do you know these thing, Q??? Because Beck says so... Or the Tea Party says so??? Why no blacks... As for obesity??? I belive the percentage of blubber on the front page of Sunday's Washington Posy far outweighs (pun intended) the national average for white men... Hard to find any who ain't got a big ol' beer belly floppin' over the belt... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:08 PM Right rally Bobert. THAT was the Beck rally. YOU are the one in error in your statements. "SOMETHING IN THE AIR Glenn Beck crowd: Not so white as advertised Many creeds, colors in attendance refute charges of racism against rally -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: August 29, 2010 7:10 pm Eastern By Anita Crane © 2010 WorldNetDaily WASHINGTON – Hundreds of thousands of Americans – of many creeds and colors – made what ended up being a pilgrimage of sorts to the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C., for Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor rally. Catholics, other Christians and Jews spoke to WND on site, many celebrating the themes of faith and reliance on God proclaimed from the platform. As WND reported, Beck proclaimed the purpose of the rally, saying, "It has nothing to do with politics; it has everything to do with God." Beck, the Fox News TV host and a professed Mormon, urged his fellow Americans to live according to the Christian virtues of faith, hope and charity. He asked everyone to enter into 40 days of deep prayer, an obvious plea to imitate Jesus Christ's 40 days of prayer and fasting in the wilderness. Beck also preached the Christian philosophy that the common good starts with individuals, and therefore, he said, Americans need to begin by examining their souls. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:38 PM Nah, Bruce... If you examine the photograph on page one on Sunday's Post... BTW, Page one means the front page of the newspaper, there is a photograph oh about 300 (maybe 400) people at the Beck rally next to the Reflecting Pool... With me so far??? I'm not talkin' about some close-up piccure buried in the paper somewhere but the front page... What I did was took the lower half of that picture because it was alot clearer as to who was whome and vice versa... You with me yet??? You got the printed copy there??? From that core sample of folks in attendence this is where I got my percentages... Okay, I might by off by 2% points but if any college sophmore was asked to repeat the infomal observation that I made then the numbers would be very close... I mean, this represented the face of the people who attended the Beck ralley... Not some close-up of King's garnd-daughter on back pages or the Sharpton rally... me thinks you are jus' playing games here... This really ain't rocket sergery here... How many black faces in the picture I completely described above??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:51 PM Bobert, You are being fooled by the WP propaganda. There are videos of the rally, and pictures of people on the stage- and some are black- so YOU are wrong, wherther you recognze it or not. I'll post more of the article, since you can't bother to read the clickie before stating that what YOU believe MUST be true, even if it contradicts the facts of the matter. I have a picture from Sharpton's rally- ONLT blacks in it- should I claim that there are no whites who support him????? "Ron Miller enjoyed the rally with friends from his home state of Maryland. "I've attended and spoken at several tea party rallies, but Glenn Beck's rally exceeded my expectations," observed Miller. "The others were like pep rallies to fire up the team before it takes the field. Restoring Honor was a revival, calling us to honor those men and women who gave everything they had, including their lives, to defend us. Beck got it right when he asked us to get down on our knees and repent to God for the salvation of our nation." Miller, a black Christian and author of "Sellout: Musings from Uncle Tom's Porch," told WND he's been outraged by claims reported in the media that the tea parties are racist and that Beck's rally was somehow a slap against Martin Luther King Jr. "Those naysayers who compare us to the Ku Klux Klan are despicable," Miller said. "By making such a ludicrous comparison, they have revealed themselves to be morally bankrupt, so they no longer warrant a hearing from Americans of good will. "Americans of many races were given prominence on stage for the world to see," Miller continued. "I was moved to tears by Dave Roever's heartfelt prayer at the end. What a beautiful sacrifice he made, and what a tower of grace he is to stand before us today as a testimony to perseverance, courage and love." Roever, whom Beck introduced by recounting the Navy veteran's inspiring recovery from a disfiguring injury in Vietnam, led a prayer for the nation. Afterward, he spoke to WND about the enormous gathering. "I think it's made about 90 percent of the politicians in this city very nervous," Roever said. "Some of them are tremblin' in their offices right now because this is a statement – not only to D.C., but to the whole country – that we're not going to be satisfied with the status quo." Roever said he wants all politicians – from the president to lawmakers to activist judges – to know that many people are fed up like him: "There is so much corruption, back scratchin,' deals made," he stressed. "The No. 1 issue bothering me is that they know their time is short, so they ramrod anything through Congress, and it's more difficult to repeal a law than it is to get that law made. "They're hoping their agenda will survive, but I don't think it will," said Roever. "I've never seen my country like this. I didn't go to Vietnam and get my face blown off, my fingers blown off, my body damaged and wounded beyond repair for what this government's doing right now." " |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:02 PM The Post propganda, bruce??? What, the same paper that ran every danged thing that the Bush/Cheney war machine wanted them to run during the Mad-dash-to-Iraq on Page One??? The same paper whoes editiorial staff endorsed the Busn invasion??? The same paper that will no longer print any of my letters to them since I blasted them (in letter form) for succumbing to a "culture" (their word, not mine) for falling for the Bush/Cheney lies but refused to answer my simple question of what cahnges they had made to see that it doesn't happen again??? Nah, bruce... You are 100% wrong here... I mean, I looked at every news clip from the rally that I could find broadacst on various news channels and the pic that the Post ran is accurate of what was being put out by all the major networks, Fox included... Sorry... But you are wrong on this one... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:29 PM Did you bother to read my clickie? Are you now statinh that BLACK people become white when they attend Beck Rallies, in order to make you correct??? I think that the presence of Day Gardner and Alveda King trump YOUR analysis of the picture selected by the Post to back up THEIR viewpoint. I saw video- what evidence do YOU have that they were just whites in blackface, as YOU seem to claim??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 30 Aug 10 - 11:11 PM I wonder if all of the conservative Christians who are following the pied piper of lunacy realise he is a member of the Mormon Church, and as such, believes none of them will make it into "heaven." If they study the tenets of the LDS, they might be surprised. For instance: Is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints just another Protestant religion? No, the Mormon Church does not claim to be Protestant. It claims to be a divine restoration of Christ's true church. It therefore rejects the validity of any other church. Its basic beliefs place it outside the standard doctrines of Christianity. Mormonism teaches that the God to whom they pray is but one of a whole series of gods who at one time were mortal then progressed to godhood. The LDS Church teaches that their Heavenly Father was once born as a spirit child of a god and wife who ruled a different world. After maturing as a spirit being he was sent to another world where he was born as a human. There he grew to maturity, married, died, was resurrected, went to heaven, progressed and eventually became the God of our world. He and his resurrected wife continue to have spirit children born to them in their heavenly realm. The Mormon man, accompanied by his wife, who is faithful to his religion, pays his tithe, attends the LDS temple rituals, etc. is hoping to eventually progress to become a god of another world, just like his Heavenly Father did. More info at THIS SITE of two former LDS members with ancestral lineage in the "church." It's time for this to come out more to the masses, imo. Esp. when the idiot casts aspersion on President Obama's religious beliefs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: LadyJean Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:26 AM Glen Beck was a DJ. He played all the hits all the time on some radio station, told dirty jokes, and signed autographs at malls. Why would anyone take him seriously as a political commentator. I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh when he was Jeff Christie, a third rate rock jock on Pittsburgh's best top 40 station. I stopped listening to that station on his account. But, again, he was a DJ, why take his word on politics! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:22 AM Now here's a novel idea... Why not just turn the government over to DJs... Maybe the Greaseman could be president... BTW, bruce... Yeah, I did click on yer "Uncle (Aunt) Tom" pics and have allready addressed that link... Yeah, I know that the right would rather the narrative be different but finding the half a dozen people of color in a rally of 100,000 hardy makes the 99.999% lilly whiye Tea Party a Rainbow Coilition... Nice try, howver... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:55 AM I have one thing to say. If you look at both Reverend Martin Luther King and Glen Beck, Glen's 'Palin' comparison ;^} that said...(run on sentence alert) Just because Glen calls the President of the United States a racist who hates white people and white culture and that Muslims are terrorists who need killing and Barak might be a Muslim or that The President is a Socialst bent on the destruction of the United States with Communists like Van Jones and that Obama is about to use Nazi techniques to rid America of its Constitution and religious Americans and that it only takes one person or one bullet to change history...doesn't mean he is inciting violence or the assasination of the President. More likely it means that he is determined to keep making $32,000,000 dollars a year and that he is giving his employers what they want, which is the elimination of a populist movement and its President by any merans necessary in order to advance the interests of multi national banks and corporations. If progressives really cared you would use the truth to do what Glen does with lies. Right now comedians like Stewart and Colbert are the first line of defensive against the right. Where are the heavy handed left propogandists? For example you could publish the fact that Fox News is foreign owned and operated by Australian Murdoch and the number 2 owner is a Saudi Arabian Crowned Prince. Tell America the incomes of all the Fox "contributors" and talking heads. You could suggest that Glen Beck who happens to be a Mormon with only one public wife, could easily marry Sarah Palin if she ever dumps her dead beat husband. (ugly truth alert) Yep, you too could engage in yellow journalism. What is more important, ethics or letting Obama get murdered at the hands of a religious right wing nut who has been carefully taught how important and necessary it is to shoot a black Muslim who is destroying America. They are taught that restoring America back to its original color of its founding fathers is first and foremost, HONORABLE. They are often told to take back America from the black clutches of evil even if it means your personal sacrifice. But of course he can say what he likes because its guaranteed by the 1st ammendment. But even more impressive is that God now speaks through Rev. Beck so that anytime God orders you to do something through Glen Beck, its more than OK, its obeying God. (only those who are the true faithfull will understand) Glen also makes money on the marked up Gold he sells on TV. I for one would not be surprised that in addition to coins Glen Beck will eventually sell gold bullets that are suitable for despots and dictators? Restore America Ammo, Beck's Patriots, Gods Golden Angels, Presidential Seal Shells, Traitor Killers. No matter the name, I guarantee they would sell. Besides they are not lead which amkes tree huggers happy :( I'm not laughing. It is a very expensive and dangerous game with blow back of monumental proportions. Who is martyred first is anyone's guess. But today, if forced, who would you wager to be the first to go? I wonder if Sarah or Glen realize the jeopardy they are in, now that the right stands to win huge if they sacrifice one of their own and "catch" a non white SoCialISt for the crime. They are not above using the worst fears and predjudice to light a match to this nation. Confederates did it before. What we have here are NEO CONfederates. History is on their side, at least in terms of firing the first shot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:33 PM Yeah, Donuel... This mornin's Washington Post has an interesting article in it (Page 1) about this... Seesm that he's not exactly "understood" by lots of religious leaders... His Mormanism doesn't help either... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:53 PM Hmmmmmmm??? Lemme see if I have this correct... The righties can call Obama, liberals and Dems anything that comes into their head... They can fabricate stories, i.e, lie... They can pull one emotional non-issue after another outta their trick bag to keep from havin' to discuss real issues... They can use foul language in Congress... They can try to shout down Obma from the Senate chamber... They can use corporate money in the hundreds of millions to go out an knock on millions of boors stirring up angry white people... They can help the Taliban recurit... They can threaten the other side with "2nd ammendment remedies"... They can obstruct the governing of the country... They can use their control of the media to keep real issues off the air and emotional ones front and center... They can buy whatever and whomever they want... They can call on their corporate bed-buddies to buy elections... They can use race, sex, religion in any manner that is intended to inflame and create mistrust and... ...so me or Donuel calling them on it makes them right (correct)... Have another glassd of coolaid, GUEST... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 01:07 PM One true church? Not only the LDS, but the Roman Catholic Church makes that claim. Others may make the same claim, and it has much historical precedent. So what? All organized groups want to be No. 1. They are free to proselytize, so long as they do not use force. As a non-believer, I am free to do the same. This thread now contains defamatory, false and bigoted statements against millions of Americans, all of whom have equal rights, right as well as left, regardless of religion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: pdq Date: 31 Aug 10 - 01:25 PM In case the GUEST post is deleted, here it is: Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: GUEST Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:43 PM Donuel, your post is wonderful. I'm saving it. You and Bobert have both outdone yourselves in this thread. Your brave fight against a world filled with darkness, conspiracy, racism and hate should inspire us all. These are things we should all oppose. You should know, however, that I'm saving your words because they seem dark and hateful to me. I love my country and I love my neighbors. When you call them names, I am forced to their defense. I am no fan of Beck. I have never watched even a minute of his show. I believe you when you say that his views are extreme. But opposition to the government is a foundation of the country I love. I cannot be comfortable when opposition is taken for villainy. You may want to consider how repulsive your language is to people like me when you write about people like Beck. Posts in this thread suggest that calling the President a racist makes Beck a racist. In all honesty I cannot see why Beck calling the President a racist is any more racist than the poster calling Beck a racist. This just sounds like name-calling and I don't know why Beck did it. (If he did. I only hear about Beck's name-calling from his opponents. I don't know anybody who listens to Beck. His ideas, whatever they are, don't seem to matter much except to the people he infuriates.) But I also don't know why you are doing it. Beck can wrong, or a fool, or even a man of hate, without making us people of hate. Far more important than one broadcaster or a handful of folks posting on a Mudcat thread is respect, tolerance and forbearance. These are qualities that mean everything to me. These are qualities that define the country that I want to live in. These are qualities that must be a part of the language of politics if the speakers want my interest and support. If these qualities are missing, the speakers lose my interest and my support. To be truly clear. Your post has forced me to defend a man who I believe I would ordinarily oppose. Surely, that is not what you intended when you wrote about your own opposition. Post - Top - Forum Home - Printer Friendly - Translate |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 01:42 PM Let me tell ya' what this GUEST's post is... It 100% phney BS... It's like these folks who write into the newspaper and say "Well, I'm a Democrat but..." before singing every verse of the Republican company fight song... I mean, after you read enough of these a pattern developes where you can smell the phoniness a mile away... I mean, HORRORS, that I or Donule should call our overt racism when it is as plain as overt racism can be but "the other side" somehow NOW needs to be defended from Donuel and me??? This is a bogus post by a partisan Republican who hates Obama and doesn't really want to discuss real issues but rather change the subject... Hey, it is what it is and in this case, with this GUEST, it is excatly what it is... Just another Obama hater in sheep's clothing... ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Yawn))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:12 PM pdq, I often disagree with you, but thanks for putting Guest's statement under your handle. It is a well-considered post. I don't think much about Beck. I have never listened to him either, with the exception of an interview he gave after the Rally. He made it clear he has no political ambitions. He came across as a man who has found God (as a non-believer, that turns me off, but he is entitled to his beliefs). An ex-Catholic and now ostensibly LDS (Mormon). Philosophically, Beck follows W. C. Skousen, a conservative political theorist, whose book The 5,000 Year Leap recently became a best-seller in the government category. Skousen believed that forces were working to put the U. S. under a world government. Owner of a successful TV-Radio-publishing production company (Mercury Radio Arts), he has become wealthy. He rejects mankind as the sole cause of global warming but believes that it has, in part, been caused by mankind. This, it should be said, is the view of most earth scientists who are aware of the many climatic swings in earth history. He built a 'green' home (I rather doubt this, his 'colonial' cost $4.2 million). A former member of Alcoholic Anonymous, he said he struggled with 'Dr. Jack Daniels' for years. His mother committed suicide, and that and other causes were traumatic in his early life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:26 PM Bobert continues to add to his reputation as a bigot of the left. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:26 PM All right, I'll let pdq's re-post of the anonymous post go by. By rights, it should be deleted, and I will delete any anonymous messages posted or re-posted after this message. Please remember that if you wish to post at Mudcat, you are required to use a consistent name every time you post. Anonymous posts are not allowed. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:42 PM "Asked about the Beck rally, President Barack Obama told "NBC Nightly News With Brian Williams" that he didn't watch it but that he understood the anxiety among some Americans. "I think that Mr. Beck and-- the rest of those folks were exercising-- their rights under our Constitution exactly as they should," Obama said. " http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-30/beck-says-his-restoring-honor-rally-shows-discontent-with-u-s-direction.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 31 Aug 10 - 03:25 PM Bobert, "They can fabricate stories, i.e, lie... They can pull one emotional non-issue after another outta their trick bag to keep from havin' to discuss real issues... They can use foul language in Congress... They can try to shout down Obma from the Senate chamber... They can use corporate money in the hundreds of millions to go out an knock on millions of boors stirring up angry white people... They can help the Taliban recurit... They can threaten the other side with "2nd ammendment remedies"... They can obstruct the governing of the country... They can use their control of the media to keep real issues off the air and emotional ones front and center... They can buy whatever and whomever they want... They can call on their corporate bed-buddies to buy elections... They can use race, sex, religion in any manner that is intended to inflame and create mistrust and... " Change "Obma" to "the minority" and it sounds EXACTLY like what the Dems have been doing the last 1 1/2 years... I guess reality depends on whether the result is what YOU want, or what you don't want. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:48 PM Oh really, Bruce... Have you another glass of coolaid... The Repubs only strategy is to mess up the government as much as they can with bogus issues and obstructionism... Don't blame the tone of this debate on the Dems... They have tried to get the Repubs to take government seriously but the Repub just want to play games... Now their games are giving aid to our enemy... Guess that's, in yer narrow mind, is all on the Dems, too??? As fir "bigot", Q... That isn't a word that white people are allowed to use because other white people don't happen to agree with them... That word, regardless of it's dictionary definition, has taken on its own life in the fight for civil rights... Using it because you don't agre with some one, or vice versa, is like using the word nigger to thoser of us who bothered to put our asses on the line for racial equality... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: beardedbruce Date: 31 Aug 10 - 06:12 PM Bobert, I disagree. IMO, the Dems have refused to consider ANY of the points offered by the Reps and demanded a complete surrender to the Dem viewpoint. The Reps did NOT lock the Dems out of discussions- the DEMS locked out the Repbulicans. Sorry if you do not agree- you have the right to a opinion others disagree with- BUT SO DO I. btw, got a dumpster of trash out of the school ( old moldy rugs, broken furniture, etc)- now looking at another trip up to clear out more. But what do I do with a Victrola with two broken legs on the cabinet??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 06:37 PM Well, bruce... That is totally wrong thinkin' on yer part... If you look at the health care reform legisl;ation, Obama went to the Repubs early and met with them and asked them for their ideas and asked them to be part of fixing a very broken system... The Repubs answer" No, thanks, we'll just become gants and irritate ya'll, which they did... Many of the things in the legislation were things that Repubs had offered in the past but in an effort to derail any legislation short of patting the insurance companies on the backs and giving their COE's medals the Repubs instead voted against their own ideas??? What the heck was that about??? Now, as for the old school house... Didja get the basement pumped out and, more importantly, did ya get the "storm" drain line cleaned out??? Those are #1 and #2 on the project... Can't have that water in the basement and once that storm drain is open the roof will work a whole lot better, too, 'cause the water won't back up in the stack... b~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 08:48 PM Bobert wishes to rewrite the dictionary to excuse his bigoted remarks. "A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices." Webster's Collegiate Dictionary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: bobad Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:08 PM Interviews with some of the participants at the "Restore Honor" rally on why they are there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg&feature=player_embedded |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:09 PM This thread now contains defamatory, false and bigoted statements against millions of Americans, all of whom have equal rights, right as well as left, regardless of religion. Q, are you referring to the quote I posted re' the LDS church? If so, I said nothing about their freedom of religion. I wondered at the seemingly wholehearted embrace of Beck by evangelical Christians, who, if they studied the Book of Mormon and other LDS teachings, might think twice about "strange bedfellows." |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:30 PM What, Q??? Webster's... What did I say??? I said that, inspite of the dictionary definition, the term "bigot" has a special meaning to folks who were part of the civil rights movement... I doubt that you know about those experiences... For you or anyone to ****devalue****, to ****gentrify****, to ****sanitize**** the3 word "bigot" is not only insensitive to the civil right movement but to black people in general... No, I'm not going to allow ya'll to do that without callin' you out... Hey, disagree with me... Post a million words on why what I say doesn't agree with what you think... I couldn't care less... Don't ****trivialize****, ****patronize****, ****marginialize**** a word that means more than you will ever understand about "bigotry"!!! I been in the trenches and I understand that there are certain words that white folks shouldn't just throw around unless they are talkin' about the real deal... Disagreein' with someone ain't "bigotry"... It's called, ahhhhhhhh, disagreein'... Hey??? Don't believe what I'm talkin' about here??? I'll tell you the same thing that I told Sawz... Run this post off, take it to any professor that teaches "race studies" and they perhaps can explain it better... Until then??? Peace, B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:38 PM To limit application like that, Bobert, is nonsense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:47 PM No, it isn't!!! "Bigotry" is about hating people because of their race, their ethnic background, their religion or their sexaul orientation... Webster didn't come thru the civil rights movement or he wouldn't have thought to call someone who disagrees with you a "bigot"... Like I said... You think I'm jus' messin' here... You take this post to a professor of "race studies"... I beg you to do that!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: katlaughing Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:50 PM Apologies if this has already been posted. An explanation of the only scientific analysis of how many people really attended the rally is HERE, A far, far cry from Beck's overly optimistic 500,000! |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:59 PM Most news service estimates were 300,000. Dunno how they arrived at that. (The old way to count cattle in a herd- count the legs and divide by four- but everyone has heard that one). The photos show a pretty good crowd, but dunno. I know a couple of relatives, ex-air force who came, but I'll leave the numbers to the experts. 97,000 is still a pretty fair number of citizens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 10 - 09:19 AM I don't know why we always have these numbers disputes after rallys in DC... The cops have some formula for countin' from pics taken from their helicoptors... Well, I've read that, anyway... But the cops refuse to release them... Then the Wash. Post comes up with their numbers which tend to be so generalized that those estimates are meaningless.... I recall that very, very cold January demonstration in DC prior to the invasion of Iraq and the crown reminded me of the "Moretorium" (1970??? 71???)... The Post had the numbers as "tens of thousands" for the January march but 500,000 for the Moritorium??? I was at both and the amount of space that was filled was about the same for both marches??? The decieving thing about the Jefferson Memorial is the Reflecting Pool 'cause yer looking down and seein' both sides lined but that area in total (both side) won't hold much more than the width of one decent stret in DC which would make the crowd about 3 blocks worth of people... The January march had about 30 blocks of people, as did the Moritorium... So, if I had to put a number on the Beck rally, compared to either the Moritorium or the Jan march I'd say amybe 1/5th of either of them which would be around 100,000... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 10:30 AM Bobert, you are as Obama has defined, "a thoughtful American". Like myself you may not be a genius or a singular expert in your fields of endeavor but you are courageously sincere and honest as you employ your own words. To my surprise the "stars" of mudcat seem to more often copy and paste than risk being charged with personal hyperbole or polemics. So go ahead AMos and tell me what you really think ;) I emplore you to continue to speak plainly, allow for moments of levity, use highly charged honest emotion in the middle and conclude with incontrovertible truth. When you do, you will be heard. For a year now Glenn Beck has attempted to recapture the Bush religious right by saying his redemption and personal relationship with God is filling his soul with God's commands and words that speak to the real people of America. The "event" Saturday was designed to cement a religious base that had weakened and place his statue upon it. I once heard that if you add one drop of religious blood to a blue ocean of politics the entire sea will turn red. This is Beck's hope. Its almost like one drop of truth on Fox makes it all true to some people. Half truths resonate... how about To Heck with Beck - he's not a Christian! As you see, propaganda isn't pretty and it is a truth coated lie. The next stage of Beck's propaganda parade is to create a new national symbol for the disaffected down trodden (by banks) people of faith. If you recall the national symbol of Apartheid South Africa, it looked like a swastika with three appendages instead of 4. I predict the Beck tea party symbol will be a version of the old South African flag but with straightened appendages. IT will appear a bit like a Mercedes logo but with each arm having black on one side and white on the other. He will claim that the trinity is at its heart. He will ask people to follow his flag onward to destroy those who have tried to destroy religious people of America. A sectarian war between monotheistic faiths is at risk of being ignited in this country as the mosque controversy indicates. It is not a risk to Beck, Dick Army, C Street or the Koch Brothers corporate control movement. It is intentionally designed to divide and conquer, making it easy for the ruling class to lobby any deregulated lawlessness that will benefit the wealthy class. Father Coughlin was a rank amateur compared to Glen. As cheesy as Glen's emotional outbursts and tears seem, they are a behavior modification technique that causes his listeners to become emotionally engaged and link that emotion to any blatant statement that Beck is pushing that day, be it linking to Obama health reform to Nazi Germany withdrawing care from cripples or feeling that Obama has taken America away from the honored white culture that founded this nation. As a student of propaganda, I know the most important technique of all is to repeat repeat repeat REPEAT. Repetition of any lie gives it a mantle of truth in the short run. This includes refutation of lies which keeps fueling attention back to the lie. Obama's centrist position makes him vulnerable from both right and left flanks. So far the White House idea of propaganda has been to make fun of progressives and accuse the right of mere obstruction. This can be cured but as we all see, the left is pitifully unwilling to use propaganda effectively. They think the straight truth is most effective and honorable. I believe that statement is exactly half true. The left is at yet unwilling to employ propaganda as effectively as they could, or should. |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 10 - 10:53 AM PS Kat, I sould add that it goes without question that you too are a thoughtful American as well as many others here. (Too many to mention) |
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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!! From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 10 - 11:02 AM Donuel, Do you see the similarities between Beck and bin Laden??? I sho nuff do... And now that the Talioban is having a bumper crop of fresh terrorist recruits over the non-issue mosque that Beck & Company have stirred up I'm not all to sure that Beck and bin Laden might not have each others cell phone numbers... B~ |
