BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 04:50 PM

Thanks, Clint, for that post. I am pretty familiar with O-Sensei's life, and I feel exactly as you do. The form he developed, and the philosophy that goes with it, are pretty amazing on their own. Those that feel as though they must sensationalize a pretty amazing human being just cheapen his image. Unfortunately, in today's climate in Aikido, many feel the need to do this. I believe that Ueshiba would disapprove mightily. I liken it to those that felt the need, years ago, to paint embellishments on the serape of Juan Diego. Their faith was based on a poor foundation, and they could not see the miraculous nature of the image of Guadalupe.

Morehei Ueishiba needs no glorification beyond that which he justly earned.

I am in agreement with Jeri's position with regard to beliefs. Proselytizing and/or preaching at folks doesn't cut it. Expressing one's own beliefs and what they are founded on, is fine as long as it isn't judgemental. I am reminded of my wonderful 12 year old daughter, who just the other came to me with some worry because the Protestant kids told her all Roman Catholics would go to hell. In fact, one of the best Mudcatters I know left her home town, in part, because of that kind of bigotry in the church of which she was a member.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: *daylia*
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 05:29 PM

Big Mick, Clint - what you've said about O-Sensei reminds me of the plethora of conflicting material out there these days about Dr. Mikhail Usui, the founder of the Reiki (Japanese) traditions of energetic healing. It's discouraging to find so many different versions of his life and teachings, and so many of the Reiki traditions themselves at odds with one another over them.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 06:49 PM

Actualy I've just had an idea! How about a mudcat martial art? Muddo or, possibly, Cat pu? I want to be it's first major exponent. I can use it to disarm a foe, down any number of attackers or pin an opponent with a single finger! Let's see if it works...

Dayliaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Whoops. held the finger for too long. Hope it didn't hurt.

Guesttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. Aha - got you!

Big Mickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. See - even pins the big feller;-)

Wayhey!!! In years to come I can be history's greatest martial artist! Not only can I do all this but can do it across the ether to millions!

Wow! Did you see that cruise missile I just dodged?

Sensei Dave
Master of Cat Pu.

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 07:28 PM

Cat Pu ???   Load of old Poo Dave !

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: Two_bears
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 02:18 AM

My instinct bids me to shy away from people - healers or not; frankly, especially healers - who show such lack of insight. In my judgment Two-Bears exhibits the same blindness. The one thing that really frightens me in this world is people who are so sure of their 'rightness'. I've come to the place where I feel that asking the right questions is more important than the 'right' answers.

Ebbie:

Everyone has opinions. I just happen to have an opinion that is different than yours. It does not mean either of us are blind.

Going back to the most notable dispute we had; you made a decision based on emotion (in my opinion), and I made a different decision based on logic and reason.

ANL - 2B

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 02:40 AM

Right

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:15 AM

I think Cat Pu stinks! Especially New Stuff!

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: *daylia*
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:07 AM

Cat Pu?   ROTFLMHO! :-)

Might make for quite the hair-raising kiai, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: GUEST,Rich Mooney
Date: 08 Oct 04 - 08:30 PM

*daylia* the mans name was Mikao Usui. Legends were made up to make reiki more palatable to western people. He passed his method usui shiki ryuho, or usui natural method to a Dr Hayashi, and also 13 others. Reiki was essentially a mans art of healing, until hawayo takata came and took it back to hawaii and the mainland. usui was never a christian, he never left japan, and he did not teach at a boys catholic school. all those tales are myths and fabrications.

dr hayashi came up with the hand positions, and other things that have been tacked onto reiki in the ensuing years, including the
ridiculous "tradition" that in order to become a true reiki "master" one had to pay 10,000.00 for the final initiation into the method.
that was created by the inevitable greedy people who also show up when something good comes into the world in an effort to make it an exclusive item for the very wealthy.

Usui is buried in japan, and his grave site is a tourist attraction.

I have been involved in healing, reiki, therapeutic touch and waiqi liaofa (external qi healing) for 15 years, and have journaled over 800 healing sessions with hudreds of people with hundreds of issues.
For me, that is enough empiric evidence that it works, and it is good enough for me.

Usui found his enlightenment, and that is how he expressed it. Ueshiba found his enlightenment, and he had his way of expressing it.
I am averse to any form of organized religion, because it then becomes an us vs them thing. the us's always think they are the chosen of whatever god, and the them are the ones who need to be converted, lest their souls burn in hells fire for all eternity,
or some other type of nonsense.

all religions are a form of propaganda, and are meant to be exclusive and divisive. A person should be good, simply because it is the right thing to do. not because some man behind a pulpit tells you it is the right thing to do. Secular humanism has much more to offer people than any organized tribal belief system, and that is why I prefer to be that way.

at our very best, we are all gods and goddesses. at our very worst we are all devils and devilettes. we can create our very own hell or heaven on earth by whichever road of life we happen to choose, IMHO.

those are my rambling thoughts anyways. g'nite y'all.

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 12:55 AM

'in order to become a true "master" one had to pay 10,000.00 for the final initiation into the method.'

I've been unemployed far too long.

Who wants to become a true "master" in my quasi-religious-music-thingie? I'll give 20% discount for the first 1000 Mudcatters who send their CD sampler (to prove they are practising musos) and cash - no cheques or other traceable currency... The contributor will the largest cash donation can have the right to suggest a name for the organisation...

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 09:00 AM

Rich, thanks a lot for posting the information about Reiki and Dr. Usui here. Sheesh - I don't even know for sure that he WAS a doctor! A couple of the Reiki masters I've studied with referred to him that way. Other traditions insist he was a Christian minister; and some say he received his visions and teachings while fasting for 21 days on a mountaintop in Tibet. And I've come across a few different spellings of his name, including Mikao as you pointed out above.

I've heard that Mikao Usui did not use or teach the symbols or give "attunements" himself. One story is that Dr Hayashi just couldn't "get it" - he couldn't move the energy without a mental "crutch" of some kind - so he created the symbols to do just that. Another is that Ms. Takata was a widow with 3 children, so she started the tradition of charging astronomical amounts for "attunements" in order to support herself (which is perfectly justifiable according to SOME people) - and also to ensure that Westerners would value the tradition and give it the respect it deserves.

I have been involved in healing, reiki, therapeutic touch and waiqi liaofa (external qi healing) for 15 years, and have journaled over 800 healing sessions with hudreds of people with hundreds of issues.
For me, that is enough empiric evidence that it works, and it is good enough for me.

Rich, I'd really LOVE to learn more about the experiences you've had in your many years as an energetic healer! ... and especially if and how I could best apply the "journalling" aspect you speak of to my work with Huna!!

But if I get into a long drawn-out discussion about energetic healing with you here, some people will no doubt get annoyed and I'll be probably be accused of "beating people over the head" again. I'm not comfortable with posting my private eMail addy ... I DO wish I could PM you, but you have to log in as a member to use that feature on this site.   :-(

Should we risk such a discussion here anyway? OR could you sign in as member, Just for Today?????

In any case, I appreciate your input here very much.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: GUEST,*daylia* just email me
Date: 16 Oct 04 - 12:21 AM

qimaster @ hotmail . com is an addie I still use. love to chat with you. we can avoid people getting mad and stuff.

I do travel the world though, and reaching me at times will be dicey at best. looking forward to the interaction,

rm

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: *daylia*
Date: 16 Oct 04 - 02:04 PM

Thanks Rich - I'm looking forward to it too! And thanks to the Mudcat as well, for hosting this discussion.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 04 - 05:34 PM

Hey, Guest Rich Mooney, good stuff! Everything you said rings true with me.

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: GUEST,Rich Mooney
Date: 16 Oct 04 - 07:11 PM

I have studied from many a guru, and learned many a thing
but at the end of it all, I would hear the cash register ring

I have studied this method and that method, and am really in tune
but after this long I have paid enough to send me to the moon

Knowledge is power, and this is the key
but to gain that power your must always pay money

I have studied quite a bit, and am now far along
that I now attract quite a large throng

My rates are fair, and some say cheap, and that makes me smile
because knowledge should be for everyone, not just for the rich with guile

The methods I teach are steeped in history to be sure
and I am glad to be a teacher's teacher, and not a moneyed whore

For there are those out there who sneak and connive
and make up crap and spew out a whole lotta jive

whenever some good comes along you can be sure
some thief will come along creating a "scam du jour"

So I will leave you know with these words of wit
make sure your teachers the real thing before you at his table sit.

I thank you now for your precious time of day
I am glad to have been of service to all who have come my way.

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: *daylia*
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 11:49 AM

Rich you ARE a man of many talents! :-)

I have studied from many a guru, and learned many a thing
but at the end of it all, I would hear the cash register ring

I have studied this method and that method, and am really in tune
but after this long I have paid enough to send me to the moon ...

So I will leave you know with these words of wit
make sure your teachers the real thing before you at his table sit.

Rich is right on folks - his words ring so true
I've paid with my health and my sanity too.

My bank account drained, my nights full of fear
My flesh weak and sickened for reasons unclear

No doctor could name or relieve that which ailed me
And even my faith appeared to have failed me

Overcoming all this taught me one thing for sure
Real "Healing with Energy" was my only "cure"


Knowledge is power, and this is the key
but to gain that power your must always pay money

This is because of the "laws of the land"
Not written by Nature or "God", but by man
Through all of my "seeking" I now understand
When I TRULY "need" something, there it is - in my Hand!

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: GUEST,sing a silly song
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 11:59 AM

This stuff doesn't even scan.

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 01:33 PM

So? Write something of your own that does, then...

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: *daylia*
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:13 PM

Well, it doesn't seem to scam very well either. Hmmmm ...

maybe your scanner's caught a nasty glitch or a virus or something today, GUEST?

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:31 PM

He tried to scan and make a copy
sadly his PC refused, on strike went the floppy

The bits and the bytes and the board jumped in too
they jumped outta the case and chanted "FRELL YOU!"

He dashed outta the house in shock and in fear
to his own PC he'd never return, and now shed a tear

he went down to circuit city to see if they could help
they took one look at him, and said "Get out you Whelp"

We build PCs for scientists and engineers to
why this PC here would go on strike too

If they all ever knew what you'd tried to do
The modems would beep at you, and the onboard speaker too

Then the hard drives would rattle and you'd see the blue screen of death
Why the whole experience would be enough to put you on meth

So there you would be, all alone shooting dope in an alley
and one day a hot fix would kill you and set your soul free

Then you'd arrive at heavens gate, youd see st pete and he would say
So, you screwed up on mudcat, shot dope and died, get thee away!

Subject: RE: BS: Verbal Violence; Verbal Aikido
From: GUEST,rich mooney
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:34 PM

ps the above missive was from me. I could have gone on, but it would've gotten really strange in a salvador Dali kinda way:)