BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 12:18 AM

pandering to the ditto heads is the lowest most callous thing she is doing lately.

Whie Obama stands for a degree of change, Hillary stands for a degree of sameness and is only two points off McCains beam to the port side.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Slag
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 01:24 AM

You guys conveniently for get the proviso in the original statement. IT IS CONDITIONAL! For those of you who are lacking, it is an IF THEN statement. Did you miss the part about a VALID threat? No one is advocating a preemptive strike from Hillary's camp (I can't believe I am actually defending Hillary Clinton!) nor do I advocate a preemptive strike but our willingness and ability to respond had better be there. I don't know how we got to be global cop but it sure seems as though one is needed. Iran has a right to exist and to choose its own government, no matter how much we may disagree with them. Same goes for Israel. That's the current situation and no one is nuking anyone and that is FINE by me!

IF IF IF! It is important to let someone who is sounding and acting aggressive toward an ally know that if certain lines are crossed it will have certain, sure consequences. Now I know that some of you precious ones were not raised that way---but you should have been. You have got to know where the boundaries are and what the consequences are and that is what Hillary was telling Iran.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 04:50 AM

The Commander in Chief has to run declarations of war and treaties of retaliation by Congress. She had no business to make that promise. That promise which potentially puts the Neocon agenda on autopilot.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 08:17 AM

At least she probably got the Jewish vote in Pennsylvania. She might even get an endorsement from Joe Lieberman.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Leadbelly
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 03:23 PM

A horrible couple for to govern the US: Mr.(Dr.?) Bill Jekyll and Mrs. Hillary Hyde. What a nice feeling is coming on.
Americans are a miracle to me. "When do they ever learn, when do they ever learn...".

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 04:22 PM

Unfortunately LB, we're down to 3 candidates.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Slag
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 06:56 PM

Yes Jack, and the treaties that are in place which spell out the consequences to our enemies and the enemies of our allies, who, or rather what body approved those treaties? Hmmm? On your side of the argument, they currently have a lower approval rating than Glorious Leader.

Little Hawk, isn't it nice to have the luxury of time to analyze and argue (endlessly) the finer points of what precipitated armed conflict and don't you just wish the leaders of whatever time period had "our" wisdom and insight to those various scenarios? If the action of our leaders is one of pure aggression, a la Hitler and company, then yes, I agree, we need to do something about it. And the German people should have known better and some did! Some tried to stop him before he got started, as you know.

Herr Goering had a point about leading the sheep to the slaughter but the defenders have the same problem on the other side of alerting the sheep to the danger of an impending slaughter. The sheep would rather believe that everything is fine or that it couldn't get worse. "We just want to get along with everybody!" says the sheep. So maybe Roosevelt allowed Pearl Harbor. Maybe he realized that the sheep would not take the threat seriously until they got a taste of what our looming enemy to the East was really like. Maybe the Main wasn't the target of the Spaniards. You might even argue that none of the rallying points were really legitimate. None were certainly perfect. And some were down right wrong. That's life. I know of only one perfect human and he was crucified. Every LEADER has a responsibility to alert the people to the dangers at hand and to seek an expedient and hopefully just course of action to deal with those dangers as they arise.

In the US and other democratic countries, if we don't like they way the vehicle of state is being driven, we can tell the driver to stop and let someone else drive at the next (4 year) block and if the driver is REALLY bad the people can put him out a lot sooner. It's better than a lot of other systems. But, while the driver is in control, he must steer and maneuver to the best of his ability. His isn't the only view but it IS the view from which the control comes. That, and the rules of the road (the Constitution and our body of law), are all we have. When somebody sounds the horn, that means "Pay attention, possible danger ahead." Hillary, who very well may be the next "driver" was trying out the horn, I believe. And it works!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 07:43 PM

Seems to me, as far as tapping the horn goes, that if you were dealing with a nation that had been plagued by random assholes blowing the horn at unnecessary intervals and failing to learn the painful costs associated with too much blowing the damn horn, you'd be a little more judicious before chattering about your great horn. If you were smart. The Iranians did not need Hillary's tootle to know what our military are capable of as they've been living next door to their practice sandbox for the last five years of gruesome, unnecessary destruction and bloodshed.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Slag
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 07:45 PM

AND!.........Amos makes a good point!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 08:27 PM

The problem with American foriegn policy is that it has gotten bogged down in sabre rarttling and the subsequent wars that follow...

Its like repeating behavior expecting different results which Winstein defined as "insanity"...

Yes, American foriegn policy has bordered on insanity going back some 50 years...

In the words of the late, great Waylon Jennings, "We need a change"...

What Hillary has said, regardles of the if's, is that she is perfectly willing to continue an "insane" foriegn policy...

That is really the bottom line here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 07:02 AM

Sorry, I had to turn the video off after the hideous pronounciation of "details". Would USAians please note that the first syllable should be stressed and not the second.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 01:25 PM

"I wonder how it would read if they focused their creativity upon Clinton's remark. " (Wolfgang 23 Apr 08 - 07:21 AM )

I ignored Clinton's remarks because they are basically pretty meaningless - they don't change the situation in any way, except insofar as they might win a few votes for her. I don't think there is in fact any prospect of an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel. And I think that Clinton's remarks here are essentially electioneering waffle.

I think there is a very real possibility of an attack by Israel or the United States on Iran. I doubt if that would be likely to involve nuclear weapons, because there would no advantages in that and very serious disadvantages (even aside from the resulting Iranian deaths).

The persistent attempts to paint Ahmadinejad's rhetoric as much more directly threatening than they have actually been is dangerous, and that is why I focused on that. In the same way it would be dangerous if people in Iran build too much on the basis of Clinton's electioneering talk about "obliterating Iran". Unfortunately I suspect that that is just what will be happening.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:18 PM

Obama:

"I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Everything in my power. Everything."

Moments later: "Sometimes there are no alternatives to confrontation, but that only makes diplomacy more important. If we must use military force, we are more likely to succeed, and will have far greater support at home and abroad if we have exhausted our diplomatic efforts."

"Its (Iran) president denies the Holocaust and threatens to wipe Israel off the map. The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat..."

(At least he corrected his embarrassing Auschwitz blooper in his speech)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 06:21 PM

One prison camp is a lot like another.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: heric
Date: 06 Jun 08 - 01:54 PM

Crude-oil futures jumped more than 7% Friday, as reports about the potential for an Israeli attack on Iran combined with a slide in the U.S. dollar to lift prices to an all-time high above $138 a barrel.
"It's Iran -- all Iran," said Bernard Picchi, a senior managing director at Wall Street Access.

Comments from Israel's transport minister, reportedly a close adviser to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, that an attack on Iranian nuclear sites looked "unavoidable" has driven buying to a fever pitch, according to Michael Fitzpatrick, an analyst at MF Global.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Jun 08 - 07:46 PM

A Bad foreig policy approach, for someone looking for a senor USA post.

Is it possible that talk like that may stimulate folks who feel threatened to seek the mosyt powerful weapons they can, regardless of the cost. Unfortunately, it may also spur extremists.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jun 08 - 07:56 PM

"(Iran) threatens to wipe Israel off the map"

So, Obama repeats the old mythology one more time. No surprise there. He is, after all, campaigning to be elected president of the aggressor country that specializes in first strikes on far weaker nations that have not only not attacked the USA, but couldn't even if they wanted to.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: heric
Date: 06 Jun 08 - 08:45 PM

I don't think it's a mysth so much as a semantics dispute, one that Aberdijiabian has been enjoying immensely. Just Monday, reportedly, he said that Israel will soon be wiped away from the "geographic scene."

I also read recently that translating from Arabic languages is exceptonally complicated. They have so many words with so many subtleties, where others have just one or a few - they can really mess you up in translation. I wish I could remember where I read that.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: heric
Date: 06 Jun 08 - 08:48 PM

Yeah, LH, it probably got a little addictive after Granada.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jun 08 - 09:16 PM

LH, if GWB said "We will wipe Canada from the map", what would your interpretation be of that?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jun 08 - 09:36 PM

Of course the US would have a number of reason to rush to Canada's defense, not the least of which, they're right next door. It continues to amaze me as to why America keeps sticking its nose into Israel's business.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary threatens to obliterate Iran
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Jun 08 - 12:45 PM

There are many world countries that the USA would not actively defend if attacked by a neighbour. Israel, for some odd reason, is not one of these.

Some less credible political figures may make verbal threats against Israel. I wouild expect more than this from the USA leadership.