Omigod! Older Woman Naked!

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: pdq
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 08:44 PM

Tyne Daly. Didn't she marry LuLu? I understand they now run a guinea pig cemetary in West Covina.

By the way, if you pull a guinea pig's tail his eyes fall out.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 08:56 PM

Yeah, Emmilou Harris. Oh, what a fox! And has anyone seen her lately?She's gorgeous....

Howz 'bout Goldie Hawn? She's gotten to that age also?

Now I haven't seen Morgan Fairchild in quite a while but, come to think of it, she's an "older woamn" by now and I wouldn't mind seein' her.

Yeah, Diane Sater is a hottie. Not qutie my type interms of personality but easy on the eyes....

Bobert

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 09:02 PM

Funny, I've been cleaning my garage today and found a box of magazines that are keepers. One of them is the Playboy issue from 8 or 10 years back with all beautiful women over 40. Many of them over 50. A reminder to myself to stay in shape, eat well, and who knows, maybe grace these pages when I'm 60. :)

Julie Newmar and Tina Louise (Ginger, on Gilligan's Island) have not aged gracefully. The last time I did a search on either of them, they were trying too hard to look like they USED to 30 years ago, not what the can look like today for their ages and still be beautiful women.

SRS

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 09:08 PM

Those with the disparaging comments about Tyne Daly base their view of sexuality on visuals and nothing more. I have found that the most sexually fascinating women are the ones whose company I enjoy, whose personality and intellect make them absolutely desirous. If I want visually appealling I will pick up any of the books out there that are designed to appeal to hormonal young men who lack the miles to understand that there is so much more.

There is a woman who comes to some of our concerts. She is a Danish woman in her late 60's, maybe even 70. She is so beautiful as to be hard to describe. When you sit and talk to her, and you look into those eyes, your skin will tingle. And when you talk with her about politics, issues of the day, her travels, your travels, men, women..... it is impossible not to be completely attracted to her on all levels.

Older women naked for the sake of being naked would not appeal to me anymore than looking at centerfolds does, or going to topless bars. They bore me and I haven't been to one, or read one, in years. But you give me a chance to spend an evening with a fascinating older woman with stories to tell and a vivacious attitude, and I will take it in a heartbeat over the younger alternative.

Oh.....list of women I would love to have that chance with.

Kate Hepburn
Maureen O'Hara
Maya Angelou
Emmylou.....even though she isn't older to me (I'm 53)
Candace Bergen (ditto)
a host of others you wouldn't know, or you would but I ain't tellin'....hahahaha

Mick

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 09:22 PM

Well said, Mick. I'm 56, and I think in deference to my advanced age, you should let me speak with Kate first. There is one fine lady.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 09:40 PM

An after thought. I guess I am somewhat turned off by the whole concept of age being a determining factor. I can tell you that I have met plenty of women (and men for that matter) that were younger than myself with the same qualities that I find fascinating. I love spending time with people that challenge one on a number of levels.

Mick

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Sam L
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 10:16 PM

Ginger? Tina Louise? I never liked her looks or attitude, but Dawn Wells was my childish model of ideal womanhood, maybe because of the coconut-cream pies. She still looks cute as a button. But when did the Professor morph into the Skipper?

It takes more attention and perception to see any sort of beauty that isn't being foisted on you daily in ads and junk, and people ought to be made to do nude life drawing as a condition of primary education. Maybe we wouldn't have these visual social diseases if we trained people to look for themselves?

As a painter I can't bring myself to do nudes anymore, except a few of my wife, but I've done one very close-up face which gets at the same quality, and looks nude, but without the cheesy associations and stylistic problems. On the one hand it seems so natural to paint nudes, on the other hand it's like the writer who said that bad writers use up all the good words.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 10:26 PM

Well said, Mick!

My first inclination when seeing this thread was to post something stupid like: "You mean women over 25 are actually NAKED under their clothes?? EEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!!!"

Living in America (or any western country, for that matter) nowadays is to be fed a daily diet of crap that would lead a space alien, attempting to learn about us through only our media, to believe that the entire population consists of anorexic blondes and ripped GQ centerfolds under the age of 30.

How boring.

Whilst nursing my New Year's hangover yesterday afternoon I took advantage of the "Twilight Zone" marathon on the Sci-Fi channel...ever see the episode called "Number 12 Looks Just Like You"? The premise is that sometime in the future (Rod Serling makes it the year 2000--droll, innit?) when people reach maturity they will be "transformed" into perfect specimens according to the aesthetic standards of their society; they basically pick one of several available models from a catalogue & then go about wearing badges so people will know it's their mother & not the lady next door, etc.

It was pretty amusing, not least because the aesthetics of this high-tech future bore a striking resemblance to those of, oh, 1962, but the point was nevertheless taken that when we narrow our idea of what is beautiful, or even acceptably "attractive" to such an artificial, shallow & superficial degree, we risk a pretty homogenized (and dull as hell!) world.

In this day, when a television program like "Extreme Makeover" has people literally competing to be surgically altered to better resemble the artificial images force-fed us by Madison Avenue, the notion doesn't seem too sci-fi, does it?

For my part, I had the opportunity to see Vanessa Redgrave play Prospero(!) in a production of "The Tempest" at the new Globe Theatre a few years ago, and as groundlings we were literally 10 feet from her...the woman's face is so arresting, so full of character & intelligence, so BEAUTIFUL, that the notion of wanting to exchange it for that of someone without a tenth of her wisdom or experience is nothing short of obscene, not to say just plain dumb.

D.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: beadie
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 10:31 PM

brucie:

I am 57 and, perhaps because of the callowness of your youth, I am sorry to be the one to break it to you . . . if you want to speak directly with Kate, you're going to have to croak.

The wonderful one passed away on the 29th of June this past year.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 10:32 PM

Well said yourself, Desdemona!

A

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 10:37 PM

Amos,

Why, thank you.

D.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Homeless
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 12:11 AM

Last year, I went to see "Sugar Babies" as put on by a local troupe. There were 2 ages of women in that show - a generation younger than I, and a generation (or more) older. The young girls would try to do "sexy" moves, and look like a wooden puppet being bounced on the end of a stick. All jerky and awkward. You almost felt sorry for them, and it wasn't at all appealing. Those crusty, old great-grandmas tho... Whew - They could sure bump and grind to make your blood run hot. They had moves, looks, and grace that the young girls couldn't even pretend to know about. Mick's right - there's a whole lot more to attractiveness than just what the body looks like. How to use that body is something those older ladies know that this generation is completely ignorant of. Look at the pictures of the older women and notice how they put themselves in appealing poses.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 01:02 AM

beadie: I was aware of that, but she will live forever in my heart. However, I hope not to meet her in person any time soon.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 01:13 AM

Homeless--go look at the link to the photos of Helen Mirren, and find the one where she is looking into a mirror putting on her makeup (it's as it you're looking through the mirror at her). That expression is amazing, so complex, knowing and come-hither at the same time. Of course I wouldn't mind looking like that in a bustier (how is that spelled?) and her age is clearly what gives her the ammo to manage that kind of expression.

Do you remember early last year when the woman in Manhattan came forward and admitted that as a 19-year-old intern she had had an affair with JFK? They used that as a question on the NPR program Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me! and one of the panellists said "he should have had an affair with a 49-year-old woman" and went on to illustrate how she would spit in his eye as crouch down on the floor of the limo the way the younger woman did, etc. It was pretty funny, but also right on!

SRS

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: JennyO
Date: 10 Jan 04 - 09:28 PM

Has anyone mentioned Susan Sarandon yet?

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Sam L
Date: 11 Jan 04 - 02:34 AM

No, but Sarandon herself takes pride in being the oldest sexual woman in film, (not true) and once remarked that her breasts were "over-rated", which sort of spoiled the fun of looking at her tits, for me. She started looking like that woman in War And Peace, Pierre's wife, who had been looked at so much she seemed glazed by it.

Sure, Sarandon is quite pretty, Helen Mirren is beautiful and sexy (she can really act), and so on, but what's the fun in noticing that obviously beautiful older women are beautiful? Pick anyone, look for it, it's there. You have to make decisions about it--maybe even without highly trained photographers, make-up people and stylists there helping you along. When you're too tired to pay much attention, you can still look at the celebrity cuteniks for mindless relaxation. Looking is hardly even an active verb anymore, it's something done to you by others,and impressionable people who are young or insecure or both are getting seriously fucked-up by it.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: open mike
Date: 11 Jan 04 - 03:13 AM

how about shirley maclean (sp?)

and what does SWMBO mean?

wasn't there an acronym that was part of the census that meant
something like "significant other sharing dwelling space" or
something like that?

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 04 - 01:54 PM

I always thought Diana Rigg was pretty cool, but I haven't seen her naked. (sigh)

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jan 04 - 01:59 PM

SWMBO is "she who must be obeyed". That's what it says on the internet, so it must be true.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 04 - 02:13 PM

So are you suggesting Hilda Rumpole as a beautiful older woman? :)

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: open mike
Date: 11 Jan 04 - 02:47 PM

SWMBO sounds like it might be Single White Male....B?O?

but i see now that She Who Must Be Obeyed is the correct acronym.

The other i was thinking of is POSSLQ
Person of Opposite Sex Sharing Living Quarters

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Cluin
Date: 11 Jan 04 - 05:44 PM

SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed = Ayesha (from the H. Rider Haggard story, She.

An immortal queen.

I first heard the SWMBO acronym in a Rumpole of the Bailey story, in which Rumpole refers to his wife, Hilda, of course.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 11 Jan 04 - 07:22 PM

The SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed has been around long enough that I thought everyone knew it.

POSSLQ = Person of Opposite Sex Sharing Living Quarters (pronounce it "poss el cue") is one I've never cared for much, because I first encountered it in a very stilted and badly written "socialogical essay." It probably dates at least to the 60s.

The other one might encounter is SO = Significant Other. Although some have objected that it refers to a "shack up" mate, I've found it most often used by married couples when in the presence of other couples of uncertain situation, as a matter of politeness when explanations are unnecessary. It seems rather neutral to me.

As one with some vicarious experience of older women, I would interject that at my last high school reunions, age had done a bad turn on quite a few - of both sexes. But the ones who still looked good looked VERY VERY good. The funny thing is that those who looked the best seemed also to be the ones willing to enjoy and be happy with themselves. Maybe the others just forgot how(?).

(As there are very few older than me still around, it's difficult to comment on older older women. My grandkids are deteriorating noticably.)

John

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jan 04 - 08:52 PM

(Men) Make a point of introducing your current partner by saying "This is my first wife!"

It keeps them on their toes!!

Nigel

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 05:31 AM

I enjoy seeing a 58 year old woman naked nearly every evening - as she gets into bed with me - still naked. Incidently there was a fairly revealing photo of her in the 2003 Mudcat calendar. We both enjoy naturism and at the two clubs we usually go to, a high percentage of the members are over 50, but there are some very attractive mature ladies to be seen - as well as Linda of course.

I find Honor Blackman still incredibly attractive - at 73 !

Well - we could always make our BBQ on June 6th (for my 60th Birthday) a nude one !

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: kendall
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 06:40 AM

Nancy Reagan? to me, she looks like something left over from the charge of the light brigade. Or, a survivor of Andersonville.TOO SKINNY!

Tyne Daly is just plain plain. Kathy Bates too.

Jane Fonda is my top pick.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: kendall
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 06:41 AM

"Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: beadie
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 10:10 AM

Interesting thing about POSSLQ, the US Internal Revenue Service actually adopted this acronym within the mass of the federal tax code at some point during the seventies. When the (then) fledgling religious right caught wind of this, a mighty shout went up to the heavens, with much wailing and gnashing of teeth. The fear that (gasp) living together (in sin) would destroy the fabric and value of marriage was on every preacher's sermon outline.

Obviously, they were right (or wrong, depending on your perspective), but now the focus is shifting to the related issue of gay "marriage."   

          Who could have guessed?

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 10:27 AM

I spent some time with an Older Man. Being an aging baby boomer, he was politically correct. He didn't have a beer gut; he had a liquid grain storage facility. He wasn't quiet; he was a conversational minimalist. Altho' he was old, he didn't get lost; he was a lateral walker who often discovered alternative destinations. He wasn't bald; he experienced follicular regression. He also wasn't a dirty old man, he just preferred generationally differential relationships.
He was occasionally a bare faced liar, so I guess he was a facially naked old deceiver.

freda

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Cluin
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 10:27 AM

Every time I saw Nancy Reagan, she reminded me inexplicably of Norman Bates dressed up as his mother.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 10:44 AM

I've always thought over the decades that Gloria Steinem was and is an amazingly sexy woman.

Art

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 10:47 AM

Once again, Art, we are in accord. She absolutely fascinates me.

Mick

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 11:52 AM

SWMBI
John
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Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 12:23 PM

Steinem did a photo shoot when she turned 50 that included a fairly revealing bubble bath shot. The reason? She said women had been lying about their ages for so long that the general public didn't really know what 50 actually looked like! (And then there is the photo Hugh Hefner likes to regularly rerun of her as a bunny when she was "undercover" writing "A Bunny's Tale" or some such title.)

SRS

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Schantieman
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 12:36 PM

Ms Lemon is the one for me!

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: MAG
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 04:23 PM

That was "Tale of a Bunny" -- was and is a powerful story exposing the exploitation of these glorified waitresses in corsets.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Jan 04 - 04:29 PM

Anyone, regardless of political stripe, that has heard Ms. Steinem speak would have to agree that she is a fascinating person of great depth. Anyone who is not blind would have to agree that she is a person of great beauty. Any male that is not suffering from sexual self worth issues would have to admit being very attracted to her. JMHO.

Mick

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 13 Jan 04 - 09:29 AM

Well Schantieman, thanks to you.You certainly know how to make a woman feel good about herself. You look pretty good yourself!

Mwah

#8-D

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 01:09 AM

Hollywood is a fascinating artificial mirror for our rather warped views of attractiveness, power and sexuality. Where else are we expected to believe that men of the age of Richard Gere, Steve Martin, Kevin Costner, Michael Douglas, Sylvester Stallone and Bruce Willis (yep they're all around my age) have gorgeous women of 25 falling head over heels for them, while actresses in the same age bracket (Kathleen Turner, Meryl Streep for example) can't get work on the screen unless a sexless matron is called for?
I for one think women of forty and older are much more attractive, interesting, stimulating. They are, one might say, "fully realized". Clothed or naked, I salute them!

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: freda underhill
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 02:00 AM

well, did anyone see Harold and Maude?

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 07:02 AM

Mind you, I don't know if many under-25s would agree with us. I overheard a conversation on a train recently where a girl was complaining that her aunt had got a boyfriend. "How old is she ?", asked her friend. "At least 40" was the answer. "Do you think that they do it ?", the friend enquired. They then both shuddered and agreed that sex should be made illegal for people over 40.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 09:26 AM

Isn't it??

To quote a line from Gee Officer Krubke {West Side Story}
"That's it; I'm depraved on account of the fact that I'm deprived!"
John

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jan 04 - 10:54 AM

I've always loved the remark Robert Redford made in an interview, that he thought women got more attractive as they grew older. Many of the older actresses working were much more attractive than when they were younger because they had found themselves and grown into their looks, as it were.

SRS

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: freda underhill
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 12:19 AM

i still go for maude from harold and maude - she was beautiful (even if she did frequent graveyards).

fred

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 05:38 AM

I don't know if Genie is still around on Mudcat, but from her piccie in the 2002 Mudcat calendar, I think she well deserves a mention - her D.O.B. is on the member's details.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 11:30 AM

You're going to wear out that ex Kingston Poly computer!
John

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 06:41 AM

John - you might be interested to know that your old Alma Mater is planning to purchase a rather classy buiding. Surrey County Council have decided that they really should have their HQ actually in Surrey rather than in Greater London, so the university is set to buy the old County Hall when they move to a new place in the Guildford direction.

Anyway wearing out PCs all makes work for my department ICT services.

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Bobjack
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 06:49 AM

Anne Widdecombe
Margaret Thatcher phwoah!!

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:46 AM

I thought Anne Widdecombe looked better before she did that keep fit programme on the tele

Subject: RE: Omigod! Older Woman Naked!
From: GUEST,older woman
Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:57 AM

how does it feel to be an older woman?

my mind is still young, my feelings are still strong, and my body is..

used.    aged.   

scarred, sagging, curved,

no longer perky, taut or nubile.

i can see an old lady walking along the beach, i used to look at her when i was a kid.

and as she gets closer, i can recognise her....



oops - can't be morbid! off to get prodded, plucked, waxed, dyed, pruned, and stuffed into newshoes, newclothes, newskin, newhair..

think I'd rather go down to the beach and put my toes in the water....

o.w.