BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'

Subject: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:47 PM

All right hockey catters, help me out here please. I was listening to a sports talk show today and one of the hosts said that the term
"hat trick" goes back to the 1940's when a Toronto hat maker would give a new hat to any Maple Leaf who scored three goals or more in one game. His partner disagreed and said the term predates the 1940's by several years; in fact, he said it is not a hockey term at all, but rather a soccer term whose origins he did not know.

What the hell are they talking about? In my life-time the term "hat trick" has only been used in hockey and "borrowed" by other sports, if used at all. I could probably look it up on line but it's much more fun to generate a discussion here, especially since the
RED WINGS play a late game tonight and there's plenty of time to kill. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:53 PM

I think it came from some drunk guy who wandered into the hockey arena from a local porno emporium where he had been sitting with his hat on his lap. As he walked down an aisle, his hat slipped off the "hook" on his lap which was now a vertical lap so to speak. The goalie was distracted when the hat fell to the floor allowing the third goal to be scored. The goalie objected to the point saying it was unfair because of the guy doing the hat trick in the aisle.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: Beer
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:54 PM

All I know is that a true hat trick has to be three consecutive goals by of course the same player. But in answer to your ? I don't know.
"Go Wings Go".

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: Beer
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:56 PM

Like your answer Cat.

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:56 PM

FWIW
Hat Trick

This term is originally from cricket, c.1877. Taking three wickets on three bowls allegedly entitled the bowler to receive a hat from his club commemorating the feat. By 1909 it was being used in other sports.

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 08:28 PM

Martin Ryan is correct. See OED. Filling in the reference-
1877: J. Lillywhite, "Cricketeers Companion," "Having on one occasion taken six wickets in seven balls, thus performing the hat trick successfully." Thus: "the feat of a bowler who takes three wickets by three successive balls: considered to entitle him to be presented by his club with a new hat or some equivalent.

Horse-racing- The OED quotes the "Daily Chronicle," Aug. 1909: "It is seldom that an apprentice does the 'hat trick,' but the feat was accomplished by an apprentice. His three successes were gained on Soldier... Lady Carleton..., and Hawkweed.

Not able to find an early reference to a hat trick in hockey.

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 10:09 PM

Thanks, y'all - I knew you'd come through. Hope I can return the favor sometime. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: bobad
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 10:47 PM

Hat trick

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 01:32 AM

Bodad, that must be a good 'un. Access forbidden.

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: autolycus
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:11 PM

David Harris, a great cricket bowler in the 1780s, as presented with a gold-laced hat for a fine spell of bowling. Around 1800, white beaver hats began to be presented to bowlers who took wickets in three successive deliveries.

All this according to a correspondent to The Guardian's Notes and Queries column, Steve Pittard.

Football players scoring 3 goals in a game are said to have scored a hat-trick even if not successive.


   Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:18 PM

bobad's link worked fine for me..."access forbidden" is often to avoid 'hot linking' and 'referrer logging'...but I have a program which gets around most of those. I usually don't even know that it is happening.

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 06:42 PM

I don't know about the cricket origin and the presentation of a hat (though it seems plausible enough), but as I understand it, in football (Association Football that is) in the early 19th century days it would have meant that when a player scored three goals in the course of a game, the hat would be passed round among the spectators so they could make a contribution.

Footballers being ordinary working blokes in those days, as was the case up into the 1960s, that kind of cash bonus would have mattered.

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 07:16 PM

"...was presented with a gold-laced hat for a fine spell of bowling."

This kind of award didn't just happen in ball games either:

'Twas in Ashwater town, the bells they did sound
They rang for a hat and a belt laced with gold

From The Bell Ringing.

Subject: RE: BS: Origins of the term, 'Hat Trick'
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 06:58 AM

BillD seems to be correct about the reason for the duff link.
If you copy the link then paste it into the address bar it works.
http://www.leolicensing.com/Boassy/Rabbits/hat-trick.jpg
Quack!
GtD.