BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 03 - 06:58 PM

Americans like EJ are the reason for 9/11

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,nother GUEST
Date: 05 May 03 - 07:01 PM

no, that's not true. (does that make me troll-bait?)

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Bobert
Date: 05 May 03 - 07:37 PM

Well, America is very much a segregated society but since the 1950's has been trying varoius things to move forward but, in spite of these efforts, has not come very far at all. Well, in these times of extreme *intolerance*, looks very much like the US is going to loose ground in race relations.

The *white* South is ripe for regressin' since it has a disporportionate number of under-eduacted who live for Buidweiser, country music and NASCAR and don't seem to have much tolerance fir black folk or folks with a more enlightened perspective. And Bush, the master of class warfare, has done nuthing but kiss lots of redneck butt with his quips about intellectuals.

Heck, I think the white folk oughtta just be rounded up and sent back to Europe where they belong and leave the country to the descendents of those who really *built* the danged thing: black folks and the folks that were here when whitey colonized the joint.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 07:40 PM

Scram, Bobert, ya danged carpetbagger, we got this 'un covered.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Bobert
Date: 05 May 03 - 08:11 PM

Danged, Mick, yer can call this ol' hillbilly anything 'cept a carpetbagger 'er late to supper...

(Carpetbagger, my butt. Hmmmm? What if I called ol' Mick a danged Republican. No. Ahhhh, Democrat! Yeah, that ougtta teach him a lesson fir callin' my a carperbagger.)

Yo, Mick, you "democrat"! Hah, see how it feels? Didn't think you'd like that one no more than you callin' me, ahhhh, who's born and raised in "Ol' Virginny", a carperbagger. Now say yer sorry 'er we'll have ya barred from the prom!

(Mess with ol' bobert, will they? Jus' what knid nut do they think I am, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrr......)

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 08:15 PM

Bobert.....if'n you drag yer wuthless ole hide to the Gitaway this here fall, I might jes jive you a down home, goin' back to Jesus, buttwhoopin', boooooy!! Either that or sang a couple a song with ya! Ya don't 'spose ole EJ would show up and elite our butts right out of the place, would he?????

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: EJ
Date: 05 May 03 - 08:19 PM

I am truly sorry to hop back in but it is SO HARD being a wealthy, superior intellectual (and I must say truly attractive) from a southern family who has lived on the same land for over 200 years. Believe me when I say that times can be very trying especially in these hard economic times. Of course the charities we sponsor suffer from lack of funds but this CANNOT be helped. Unfortunately we had to cut corners SOMEWHERE. We DID employ lots of unfortunates on the farm and the logging operations but times are hard and even we had to scale back on the labor force (except for the servant staff). Oh, dear me, how I rattle on. This thread is about the young folks and their choice of who attends their proms. Again I say that they should have the choice. We went so far as to give our children private proms here on the homestead. They were such handsome boys and lovely girls. I hope they can end up where they want to be. I must admit that my country club is full of very intolerant ol' boys who close ranks from undesirable outsiders.

Bobert...you are right, integration will never totally wash in the south even though the gents of congress declare it so.

Mick...I hope you can convince someone to duke it out with you. It really might be fun if you can find some on your "level". TaTa

Rizzo...I do believe I like you.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 08:41 PM

Actually, EJ, I was using tongue in cheek, much the same as you. What I would really like you to do is simply justify your position in an intellectuall fashion. Really shouldn't be much of a problem for a person of your standing and education. So I ask again. Please define for me who the people are that you are so keen to keep your children away from, and what is it that makes them the lowlife that you portray them to be.

I would advise, sir, that your attempts at obfuscation are not working. You would serve your cause better by justifying your positions, rather than by trying to cloud the issues with cute statements. At this point you simply look like a relic of a very sad past.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Bobert
Date: 05 May 03 - 08:47 PM

Okay, Mick! What's this Gitway, anyway? Ain't like Amway, is it 'er I ain't coming. All they wanta do is sell you a bunch of cleanin' crap. I mean, like whats wrong with Ajax! Really? Ahhhh, an this ain't no bank robbery where I get to drive the getaway car is it 'cause you can count me out on that one, too. (Man, what a hillbilly will do to get a good ol' fashion butt whuppin?) Ahhhh, an' this better not be no UnitedWay, 'cause you can takew it to the bank that this ol' hillbilly ain't gonna drop no money in the bucket fir no butt whuppin'. I mean, like... butt whuppins ougtta be free. That's what has made America great. *Free* butt whuppinz.

But back to this Gitway/Amway/Wrongway thing. Where is the danged thing? I might drag my sorry butt and the old Martin up there fir the priviledge of the two of us gettin' whupped up on. "Tween you and me, the Martin could use a good whuppin'!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 09:02 PM

Just the finest, funnest, musicest, pickin'est, gathering of 'Catters anywhere on earth. It just seems to draw. It is actually a annual function of the Folk Society of Greater Washington, DC., and they very graciously allow us 'Catters to piggyback on their event. It works out very well for both of us. And they are as wonderful a bunch of folkies as you will find anywhere. I wouldn't miss my trip back East to visit with these wonderful friends for anything.

This year it looks like the Gaelic Goddess, Aine, will be meeting me in Chicago area and hitchin' a ride. In the past Mudcatters from all over the US, Canada, England, etc. have come. You will not regret it. Sides, boy, if'n ole Mick can drag his sorry, big Irish arse all the way from Michigan, then you can surely hop up the road from Virginny.

It will be happening October 17-19. You can check out another thread with links to the FSGW site HERE.

It would be great to sing with you.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Bobert
Date: 05 May 03 - 09:17 PM

Yeah, okay, I'll be there. Come to thing of it Rita, of Rita and Bill, thought I should get me butt to this thing, and so I will. And I'll tell ya what. My guitar thinks its really hot so when it comes to whuppin' up on it, I'll hold it down!

Lookin' forward to it.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 05 May 03 - 09:45 PM

EJ-You are an idiot.

john

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: EJ
Date: 05 May 03 - 09:47 PM

Mick...I find it hard to try to explain the importance of class and position to those of you who, unfornately, have little little or none.
I attempt to keep me and mine within the same level or social strata
that we have been fortunate enough to have been born in. It is expected of our class to stick together in order to preserve our distinctive way of life. We are very obviously the leaders and decision makers of this great land. We are the lawmakers who dictate to the rest of you the way to live and conduct yourselves. We are responsible for the wealth and the future of this country. That is the way it is. Accept it. But now back to the children and their proms...try to focus on that. That is probably more in your realm of thinking. Please tell us again your thoughts on the subject at hand.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Bobert
Date: 05 May 03 - 09:59 PM

EJ:

You are obviously not from the upper class. Now, I would be the last person on earth to lecture someone from the... upper class, about grammer but you're ending a sentence with a preposition has given you away, my friend.

Now that we have established the fact that you'z
is a fake, whaddayathink about an "all white" prom?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 03 - 10:10 PM

I would point out several things to you.

First off, you don't know me or my social standing. I won't bore you with my standing in the professional circles that I inhabit, but let it suffice to say that I operate at a very high level.

With regard to youand your kind being the "leaders" of this great land, once again you make assumptions. This is symptomatic of great arrogance. The simple fact is that in one aspect of my life, I regularly interact with some of the top leaders in this land. Further, I am on a first name basis. It would be interesting to know you name so that I might see if you show up on any of the guest lists.

Finally, with regard to my social standing, let me tell you that I count among my friends people like Caroline and Sandy Paton, Art Thieme, Rick Fielding, Heather Fielding, Jed Marum, Dan Milner, Barry Finn, Bill Day, Rita Ferrara, Allan C, Paul and Bev Mills, Chance, Seamus Kennedy, Aine Cooke, Micca Patterson, Dave Swan, Pam Swan, Pat Patterson, Jeri Corlew, Joe Offer, Dani Black, Kathy Westra, Mary LaMarca, George, Karen Kobela, ....I am not at the end (don't get mad, folks, I could go on. I knew I shouldn't have started naming names), and I haven't even got to the Michigan folks yet. I wouldn't trade one of them for you and the whole lot of those you hang with.

Bottom line here is that you went trolling here today, and it got away from you. You have exposed yourself as arrogant, elitist, and racist.

And once again, you revert to baiting to compensate for your lack of ability to present a viable defense of your statements. It shows you for what you really are.

And no, I don't believe that it is healthy for the youngsters to have segregated proms. It is reprehensible to pass this off to them as tradition. If it is a tradition, it is the tradition of a sick group of people.

I am proud to stick with my own kind.........humankind.

See you at the barricades. Bring your lunch.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 03 - 10:49 PM

The irony of people like EJ is that, since they use artificial social constructs to define themselves, they are, therefore, a slave to those artificial social constructs. This is because, since they are defined by them, without them, they are nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 05 May 03 - 11:33 PM

What was that old saying about the Boston Brahmins- The Cabots only speak to the Lodges and the Lodges speak only to God? Something like that, but forgotten, now.
But the Brahmins of Boston, as pillars of society and as important legislators and molders of thought in their day, never disparaged any group.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 06 May 03 - 12:11 AM

EJ-If people like you are responsible for the wealth and the future of this nation, I would refer you to the thread "How the U.S. will finally lose its power?" It is evident that you are either not conversant in the founding principles of democracy, or simply don't care about them. If we are ruled by the ignorant, we will certainly decay. If we are ruled by elitist, racist bigots who consider breeding more important than ability, the masses of which you are so disdainful will do the same to you as was done to Louis XVI, and with as just cause.

As far as the proms go, yes, they are technically within their rights to hold such an event. Not all acts which are legal are morally acceptable, however, and I cannot condone, nor pardon those who condone, the continuation of such outmoded, divisive ideas as racial segregation.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 May 03 - 12:34 AM

Well, well, EJ has certainly wound us all up. I am surprised so many have responded to him in such an earnest manner. IMO, he does not deserve it. Obviously he is either living in a past century in la-la land or fabricating a psuedo-reality for our "entertainment." Either way, it's pretty stupid (meaning his actions).

Class, real class has nothing to do with money. There are people on the Mudcat who have more class in their little finger than people like EJ ever dreamt.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 May 03 - 12:43 AM

Not wound up, kat. Just making sure that he knows that there are folks here that see right through his facade. Never let them speak truth to a lie.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 May 03 - 12:48 AM

Understood, Mick, but whatever happened to not responding to them?

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: DougR
Date: 06 May 03 - 01:41 AM

Sorry you feel my question was trite, Mick. Your priviledge of course. I think it was a legitimate one, but then since I am not of the intellectual class, what do I know? If, in order to be considered a writer of posts in depth one must write paragraph after paragraph (usually only emphasizing a point already made) then I'd suggest you not read my posts, Mick. Simple.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: EJ
Date: 06 May 03 - 06:33 AM

Bobert...Yes, I make mistakes. To answer your question about the prom thing...the white kids should do as they please. They do where I live. The rest will make do, they always have.   

Big Mick...I am impressed with your imaginary circle of friends. In dreams you can aspire to whatever lofty plane you wish to ascend to. Ah, the freedom of the human mind. I'm sure with all the free time on your hands you read a lot of social columns. Do you collect clippings? I still hope you get someone to debate you even though you appear somewhat ill-equipped and lacking in certain graces required to maintain your composure. The barricades? I don't bring "lunch"...I have it served. Be careful not to give yourself away.

katlaughing...people respond to be heard. They are afraid of being lost underfoot if they are quiet. You are probably the most observant and astute of the muddled lot.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,hotdog
Date: 06 May 03 - 07:11 AM

JohnHindsill, where is the place in Southern Africa that is totally white? Sounds interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 May 03 - 07:24 AM

Doug, if you would answer the question I posed, we could get into a discussion. Your "question" is the standard one that those who would like to preserve a status quo that favors one group over another would use. It is pointless to try and act like several hundred years of slavery have not had an ongoing effect on the attitudes of a great many citizens of the USA. Evidence of this fact lies in events like these proms. Do you see separate German and Polish proms? How about Lithuanian and Scottish proms? The only separate proms are based on color. The defining color based event in our country's history was slavery. If you find my logic flawed, please respond with your reasons. Please do not throw worn out cliches into the mix. Simple as that.

Attaboy, EJ. Stay the course, old chum. Continue to try and belittle, obfuscate.......anything but engage in the debate and defend your views. You look more and more like a figure out of a cheap movie. But, nice try. Another sign of the arrogance of folks like you is that you don't believe anyone could have a circle of friends and acquaintances that would remotely equal yours. But mine is verifiable. But, of course, you won't bother. Facts are frightening to folks like you.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Tinker
Date: 06 May 03 - 08:03 AM

Oh, ej.... Sorry but your definition of class seems to be the "right" schools, the "right" social groups and the "right incomes. Well, me and the black mister fit all the catagories. Yes, my kids move to private schools at the high school level, but good private school actually have a quality level of inteegration and don't tolerate overt discrimination. In fact, they recruit bright minorities. My 6th grade son has already recieved recruitment material based on color and ( oh yeah, lacrosse). But, since I won't concider boarding school the point is moot.

Unfortunately for many interracial activities are seen to be contagious. A couple years ago we went down to South Carolina for a high school graduation with the entire family. I made the kids dress as we would here at home. They were clearly over dressed at the high school stadium. Despite crowded conditions we had empty benches around us. Mostly folks find ideas out side their experience scary. Life goes one one experience at a time.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,mfdvr
Date: 06 May 03 - 10:02 AM

Tinker(?) You can't be real. You sound like some ignorant cracker trying to sound like an upscale minority. Very good, you even misspell enough words and make unclear statements to almost pull it off. Get a life, whoever you are, or you end up with nothing better to do like some of the respondents to this useless thread who are searching for the "great debate" or trying to spout philosophical trash like some loser whose name starts with a "B". Puleeze! Shape up or you will spend your life sitting in front of computers trying to figure out who you will be today.

EJ, you may or not be real, but you really have the knack of bringing the nutcases out of hiding.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Tinker
Date: 06 May 03 - 10:15 AM

Sorry, I am who I am. White woman with a black Wall Street husband is not a common "folkie" profile, but I'm stuck with it. Maybe we'll meet at Getaway some time.

Tinker

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 May 03 - 10:23 AM

Thanks for your very uplifting insights, mfdvr. They added greatly to our understanding of the nature of racism, both overt and benign. Stop in again some time when you can't stay as long.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: posterchild
Date: 06 May 03 - 11:07 AM

EJ, you are truly a USA hero to me. I love the language you converse in to let people like Big Mick in his place in line. I am always amused at how american underlings try to make an argument in a case that they are in ingorance of. If you do not live the life you cannot discuss the same. EJ please send me first a PM and I will respond as I will like to correspond with you personally. I am Marie.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Kim C
Date: 06 May 03 - 02:14 PM

Doug, it's my understanding that the black students at this school DO have their own prom as well.

What I have always found unusual is that ethnic groups have their own churches. I've seen black churches, Korean churches, etc., etc., A couple of years ago, a black Baptist congregation was meeting in the same building as a white Baptist congregation, while the black church was being built. I thought it odd that they didn't all just worship together.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 03 - 04:21 PM

OH! Now I see where ol' EJ is comin' from. He's been sayin' he's in the upper class and can look down on all the rest. Well, that's probably true down in the south country where he's from. Just don't come up north, EJ; top class down there is on a par with lowest class up north.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: DougR
Date: 06 May 03 - 04:50 PM

Mick: I posed my question seriously and you obviously consider it trite. Here is my reasoning: the suppostion that the black students would not want a Prom excluding white students implies, to me at least, that it is not possible for the black students to have predjudices of their own. Why should we automatically assume that the black students are delighted to have white students at the Prom? Is it because they should be "priviledged" to be included with the white students?

Isn't that being a bit elitist?

There may be someone, somewhere, that truly has absolutely no prejudices at all against anything. Can anyone in this community make that claim?

Now Kim informs us that the black students will, indeed, have an all black Prom. Should the white students protest because they are being excluded from the black student's Prom?

I posed the original question because I was interested to know what answers I would receive.

Instead of replying to my question with a simple "yes," or "no," (which certainly would have been sufficient) I am lectured to by my betters, and reviled as a racist who is not sympathetic to the cause of intergration.

Did I express an opinion, one way or the other, about the exclusion of the black students from the all white Prom? I don't think so. Does that make me a racist?

I don't think so.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 06 May 03 - 05:07 PM

DougR, I suggest you read the article that was linked to in the opening post of this thread. That will set some of your misconceptions straight, as well as answering some of your questions.

BTW, there was no "Blacks only" prom. There was a "White's only" prom and a "Mixed" prom where everyone was welcome.

I notice, though, that you don't read my posts, so I don't expect you to see this one.

Subject: RE: MICKWATCH, MICKWATCH, MICKWATCH!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 06 May 03 - 06:05 PM

Attention Earthlings, and K-Mart Shoppers.....

We are the 'Intergalactic MICKWATCH People' (Imps for short). Everytime we feel that Mick is in danger of inviting dipsticks, sillypersons and (as someone once called them here) "BRATS", for a BEER, in order to 'discuss things like good ol' boys, we strike with our full 12 inch fury! Upside his head we go, slapping him senseless and screaming in his ear "stop taking the bait! Stop taking the bait"! Our full 12 inch fury can not be matched even by HIM!

We can put up with him calling them "My friend", but it's this inviting them across continents and oceans that we will punish!

natternatternatternatternatter

Back to our good spaceship Venus

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Tinker
Date: 06 May 03 - 06:17 PM

Doug, I only scanned the thread this morning as I sent kids off to school and missed your question. Of course there is prejudice on both sides of the racial divide. I've had long conversations with intelligent black women who understand that their stand is not logical, but who firmly believe that while it is acceptable for black women to date and marry white men; it is not acceptable for white women to marry black men. There really is long and thought out historical and topical current reasoning.

In this case, the "black" prom is open to all. But fear of difference occurs on both sides of the issue. I'd say the disapproving looks we get as a couple are pretty evenly divided between both blacks and whites.

Tinker

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 06 May 03 - 06:19 PM

Ohhh... posterchild, I'm sorry. You won't be acceptable to EJ and the rest of the cloistered US elites. You have openly admitted to being bi-polar. That just won't do. You'll have to stay here at the bottom with the rest of us flawed human beings, and the fallen elites who get caught with their humanity showing.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,mfdvr
Date: 06 May 03 - 06:23 PM

Tinkerbell...my dear, it is you who needs a "getaway". Stop by and pick up Big Mick. He is the guy who cannot stick to the subject at hand and keeps trying to overwhelm us with his knowledge and threatening everybody with "The Great Debate". Hang in there

Oh, by the way, let the kids work it out, they usually handle things better than most adults. If the whites don't want black around them, and vice-versa, so be it!

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: DougR
Date: 06 May 03 - 07:12 PM

Just to be fair, Carol C, I did read the article. There was nothing there that causes me to change my mind.

Frankly, I think mfdr makes an excellent point in his last paragraph in his last post. If they left it up to the kids there probably would have been no controversy.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 06 May 03 - 07:52 PM

I'm not suggesting you should change your mind about anything, DougR. But had you read the article carefully, you would have known that the there was no prom being held that was for Blacks only.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: NicoleC
Date: 06 May 03 - 07:52 PM

So much for conservative family values. "Let the kids do whatever they want!"

Last time I checked, kids needed guidance and direction to grow up and be sensible adults. That's why mothers don't just drop their newborns off at the bus stop on the way home from the hospital with bus fare.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 06 May 03 - 07:57 PM

Oh, this is so funny! Doesn't anybody get it? If EJ is a socially superior wealthy white southerner, whose children are all professionals, and who is a member of whatever elite corps comprises the upper 400 where he lives, then:

a) Why is he defending himself? and
b) Why is he on a thread? Why isn't he playing polo?

It also occurs to me that some of the so-called racial behaviours that he denigrates are also found among whites. Anyone remember the term "white trash"? (A hint -- white trash can be very, very wealthy, even socially prominent.)

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: DougR
Date: 07 May 03 - 12:45 AM

pdc: who gives a tinker's damn about Ej and his opinions? They are his, and he has a right to express them.

Carol C: I was basing my remarks on he fact that Kim posted a message that inferred that there was to be a black student's Prom. I don't think she can be faulted for that. It obviously was her understanding of the event.

I'd guess, with no knowlege other than a hunch, that the decision to have an all white Prom, Nicole, was at the urging of some parents, not the kids. Predjudice is learned, not inherent. Seems to me ...no, no, musn't make this a music thread ...oh I can't help it ...I've already gone down the path ...Rogers and Hammerstein drove that home in "South Pacific."

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Peg
Date: 07 May 03 - 01:45 AM

True story:

I was invited to a senior prom (when I was a junior) by a very nice young man (a friend) who also happened to be black. He was the star quarterback of the football team, president of the senior class, oh, and he was valedictorian. And his father was the sheriff. Very respected family in our town.

I asked my (Italian/Sicilian-American) father if I could go with him (thinking such a well-respected and prominent family would be someone he'd want me to associate with) and he pitched a fit.

I was also asked to that same prom by my boyfriend, also a senior, also black. I did not ask my father if I could go with him because by then I knew better. I always kept this boyfriend a secret although my friends and later my siblings knew about him (my sister called me a "n---er-lover" to my face; at this same time, she was dating an ex-con who was white).

He ended up taking my best friend to the prom (who was white but whose parents weren't racists).

I did not go to that prom. I did go to my senior prom the following year with a good friend who was as queer as a three-dollar bill, though. Ah, teenage rebellion.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 May 03 - 07:55 AM

Carol C: I was basing my remarks on he fact that Kim posted a message that inferred that there was to be a black student's Prom. I don't think she can be faulted for that. It obviously was her understanding of the event.

I don't think Kim can be faulted for having incorrect information either, but why you would automatically believe her and not the article or any of the earlier posts I made to this thread about it is reasoning that elludes me. I speak as someone who lives in the town where the "Whites only" prom was held, and fifty miles from the town where the "mixed" prom was held, here in southern Georgia. I believe Kim lives somewhere in Tennesee or Kentucky.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST,Yo' Daddy
Date: 07 May 03 - 10:34 AM

Peg, if all your post is true then you are one mixed up girl. As screwed up as a football bat. Did you grow up defiant as lots of those of you north of the Virginia border do? Did you hate your family enough to drive you to "mix it up" (sounds like you did it more than once) with those other than Italians (who usually are very close and protective of children)? Decisions made in youth stick with us. Memories stay close at hand. Watch yourself girl, you may close doors that never open again.

This is not TROLLING!

Just curious, how did you end up (no pun intended) and who with...

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: Kim C
Date: 07 May 03 - 11:11 AM

From kat's original post up top, which referenced the article:

"Until then, parents and students organized separate proms for whites and blacks after school officials stopped sponsoring dances, in part because they wanted to avoid problems arising from interracial dating."

Separate proms for whites and blacks. They said it themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 May 03 - 11:18 AM

I misunderstood you Kim. I thought you were saying that they are now holding separate proms.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 07 May 03 - 11:20 AM

The question was: "Just suppose ...a stretch I admit ...but suppose anyway, that it was the Black students who insisted on an all Black Prom, and no White students allowed. Would everyone be as equally exercised about that?

DougR "

We know that last year and this year black students organized mixed race proms, even though this year there was to be a whites only private prom.

We know that before two years ago, there were white and black proms, but we don't know who insisted on the separation. You're welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: How sad - whites only prom in Georgia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 May 03 - 11:39 AM

...and thank you ;-)