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Subject: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:03 PM As I have posted before, I live out in the sticks. Our home sits smack dab in the center of about 30 acres...half field, half woods. Each year we place Posted signs around the perimeter of the property...NO HUNTING NO FISHING NO TRESPASSING. Each year it seems that we find folks on our land, last year one guy was standing beside our back barn....50 feet away from some of the dogs! My first instinct is to yell to them that the land is posted. One year there was a guy in our field not far from the house. I happened to be leaving and he was about 1/4mile down in the field. I stopped the car and looked at him. He turned around, looked at me and then went back to his hunting. I, in turn, sounded the horn for about 15 seconds in hopes to get his attention and to scare away any deer. I got out of the car and waited while he walked back through the field to me. I shouted, THIS FIELD IS POSTED....NO HUNTING. He apologized and said he didn't see the sign....the one that was directly in front of his parked truck!!! Afterwards I was thinking to myself that what I had done was pretty damn stupid...screaming at a man with a gun...yeah...BRILLIANT. So...my question to you is, how would you handle someone on your posted land that is clearly hunting? Sometimes within 500ft of your home or animals? Calling the police is an option although they seldom will come for such a thing. Calling the game warden is an option too, but considering they number less than 6 for an entire county known for it's hunting...well...they are usually swamped and don't have time for this kind of thing either. Any suggestions? I have threatened to hook up my violin to an amp and play all day...outside. Course...that might get me shot too..LOL. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: gnu Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:09 PM Pictures or video... him and his license plate and your sign!!! or just on your property. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: katlaughing Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:12 PM For one, get a picture of their vehicle, with license plate, if possible, then call the game warden and demand they be ticketed for violations. (Or, start out nicely, by *suggesting* they get ticketed.) If you can afford it, look into some kind of perimeter system which will shock the living daylights out of them if they come in contact with it. Rig up alarms/flashing lights/etc to any gates, entries onto the property, etc. which will instantly alert you and, again, scare the living daylights out of them. Set up loudspeakers and get a recording of random gunshots to play in a loop or an authoratative voice, like the robot on Space Family Robinson**bg**, which says "Warning, Warning, you have violated the NO TRESPASSING ZONE, LEAVE IMMEDIATELY!" But, I agree the violin would be better and you don't want to scare all of the deer off of your safe property, either.:-) Good luck! Maybe Alba will stop i this thread. I think she's had to deal with this kind of problem,too. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: katlaughing Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:13 PM took so long to type up, gnu beat me to it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:13 PM Ok, but how does that get the hunter to leave and not shoot towards my family, animals and home? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:16 PM None of the property is fenced and an alarm system really just isn't feasible. I once asked an officer if I could booby trap the land and while he chuckled at my plans, he said that would be illegal. DRAT! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: bobad Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:19 PM I experienced the same problem with poachers on my property. I solved the problem by giving permission to people I know and trust to hunt it. That way I at least know who's out there and get some game out of it. I also wasn't keen on the idea of killing deer but am realistic enough to know that we have a deer overpopulation problem which is primarily due to loss of habitat and this is one way of controlling it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapparee Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:40 PM Taking a shot at you or your house would get them into trouble sooooo deep that they'd have to be mad to do it. I consider myself a hunter. Check your state's game laws -- I'll bet that anyone hunting private property MUST get written permission before going onto the land. Photograph the person, their vehicle (if any), the license plate -- and use a camera that records the date and time whent he picture is taken. Use a new roll of film for this, and turn the UNDEVELOPED roll over to the authorities (mark it, and get a receipt for it from the cops -- this is called "continuity of evidence"). If you know where they usually come in, get some of that yellow caution tape and string it liberally around that area -- especially so that it frames your "No Trespassing" signs. If this doesn't do it, there are cameras marked for hunters to take picture of game animals. You can use them to take pictures of illegal hunters, too. They are probably doing this because they have always done it. 99% of the hunters out there are ethical and law-biding, and if you point out to them the error of their ways they'll change them. Good luck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:48 PM I don't have an issue with people hunting the deer as many people in this area actually count on that deer to get them through the winter months food wise. I also know that there is an overpopulation of deer. I just don't want them shooting at my home, in the direction of my family, animals, home, vehicles,etc. I will be taking photos/video this year for the police to handle but in the meantime, I just want them to hunt where it is SAFE to do so...which is NOT on this mountaintop. Michelle PS. In 7 years time, there has only ever been ONE, count them...ONE...hunter who has asked permission to hunt on our land. We allowed him to hunt here after he promised to be shooting AWAY from where the people, animals and buildings are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: SINSULL Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:49 PM Just read an article about the lady who was shot to death in her back yard during hunting season - she was wearing white mittens. The hunter was found innocent despite the fact that he discharged his firearm too close to a residence. There is a limit set in Maine. Her husband moved out of state and is a hunter himself. The Blame The Victim attitude of the local hunting community nearly destroyed him. She left behind an infant daughter as well. No advice Lily. It is a common problem. But please don't go waving white mittened hands at any trespassers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: JohnInKansas Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:52 PM Not a serious suggestion, but a bit of historical lore. One old gentleman of my acquaintance (many years ago) had a real problem with uninvited hunters on his posted land, and several remedies hadn't been too successful. Under the "Posted - No Hunting - No Trespassing" he placed another sign that said "DANGER - RIFLE PRACTICE RANGE - DO NOT ENTER." They did anyway. They left in a hurry when the sound of a few .270 rifle shots arrived from the "homestad" just after bits of gravel flew (a safe distance from them, although it probably didn't seem far off). Now, you'd probably be in more trouble than they would, but... You're likely to get the most serious action from Game Wardens, but as you've said they're spread rather thin. Photos and a License Plate number, with a description of the "hunters" and dates and times in some areas will be followed up - eventually. You may get quicker response from Law Enforcement - but in remote areas it's only if they happen to be in the area. In many rural areas, a (polite) inquiry (what do you guys do about this?) or complaint to a local Farm Bureau association - or to individual members - may help, since the many of the members likely have the same problem, and quite a few of them may be hunters themselves and are fairly likely to know "who done it" - if it's someone local. They can't do much except exert a bit of "social disapproval," but that can be pretty powerful sometimes. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: bobad Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:56 PM In my area the hunting is limited to shotgun because of the density of housing. This makes it quite a bit safer as the range is much shorter than than that of high velocity rifles. What sort of weaponry is used where you are? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:02 PM Sins...no worries about white mittens! Everyone in this house wears bright red, hunter orange or that neon yellow-green during hunting season. It's kind of creepy to know that when you go outside to feed the animals or get the mail that someone who isn't thinking might shoot at you. It has happened that some have been killed in this area. And forgive me if you are from NJ, but they are THE WORST at shooting anything that moves...they come here to hunt....I don't think some of them even KNOW what a deer looks like. As to what kinds of guns are used, shotguns (buckshot) are used as are rifles...what caliber, I have no idea. Michelle PS. My husband was awful darn close to getting the rifle out and blasting it into the sky when the guy at our backbarn thought he was going to continue to stand there and hunt. What really drives us crazy is that 4 or 5 guys will chase a deer through the field while a hunter waits at the bottom....this guy sees the deer running down the hill through the field and then shoots towards the deer....and towards our house. I think that kind of hunting is unethical not to mention putting others in danger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Sorcha Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:38 PM I think the yellow tape is a good idea, and the pics of course......and your Mr. just might shoot at the ground...don't shoot in the air....it lands who knows where. Don't see how he could be ticketed for shooting his on yard......yes, scare the holy bejeeezus out of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:42 PM I always thought I would post signs that say "No hunting - Deaf Children Playing." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: leftydee Date: 21 Nov 05 - 07:20 PM Michelle, I agree with Bobad. The best way to keep unwanted visitors away is to find one or two bowhunters to give your long-term permission. Make sure they understand YOUR rules ( where to park, no guests, etc.) and give them the responsibility of keeping others away. Having a good place to hunt is something they will guard jealously. You can find sports that will improve your habitat, repair fences, post signs, run wire and bring you a little meat for the table now and then. Bowhunters, I think, are the key. They spend more time afield and are unlikely to be barging around blindly hoping to dumb into a deer. Make sure you find some experienced bowhunters and your problems will go away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bobert Date: 21 Nov 05 - 07:30 PM I have given permission to at least a half a dozen folks to hunt on our farm but have told them they have to call to let us know when they're gonna be here so that we never have but one hunter per day... So far, it has worked and we've developed a respect from the hunters... Plus, our deer population has been decreased by one so far... Three to go!!! Happy, afe and permitted huntin'... I think if you confront these hunters and tell 'u the rules, things will be just fine... Good luck... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 07:38 PM Ok...I guess there really isn't anything to do. I mean, bowhunters aren't in the field when these idiots with the guns are. And uh, confront a backwoods, redneck, 3 toothed, tobacco spittin' stubbly faced thug with a gun? I don't think so. I think you ought to come up here Bobert and meet these *FINE GENTLEMEN* that are out playing with guns. The local folks DO respect each other's line...it's the fools from out of state who have NO regard for anything. They run their 4-wheelers up and down the road (illegal), through our fields (illegal...POSTED), shoot their guns and fireworks off until all hours of the night....not to mention the booze fest. Oh yeah...favorite trick of out of state hunters or those from downstate...leave the wedding ring at home and snuggle into someone else's bed. I have NO issue with hunters who are respectful and who use the deer to feed their families...who hunt SAFELY. Bobert, c'mon over my friend. You take up chatting with these guys, k? Be sure to wear your hunter safety orange everything lest you get shot on the walk from the car to the house. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Clinton Hammond Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:05 PM In the immortal words of Fred Eaglesmith Time to get a gun, that's what I've been thinking I know I could afford on If I did just a little less drinking Time to put something between me and the sun When the talking is over It's time to get a gun |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:07 PM YOU, DO NOT, "own it!!!"
You are a temporary steward for future populations you will never know.
Kindly invite the unexpected visitors into your home for fresh ginger-bread and hot tea (fall/winter) or butter-cookies and lemonaid (spring/summer.)
No need to be a "B*&&%3@" about it - "MAKE" a new friend (you being female and the hunters being male - take it as you will.)
Sincerely,
Give a woman 30 acres and she believes she is "landed gentry from the Book of Doom." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bobert Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:22 PM Guess it's a little in one's comfort level, Micelle... Our hunters ain't that much different from yers... But I wouldn't recomment you doin' it... It's a man's job to handle these situations an' ya' hjave to have a little redneck in ya to do it... properly>>> Well, Iz been 'round these folks all my life and though I don'tr agreew ith 'um too much, I know how to talk with 'um so they think I'm cool... Yeah, kinda like makin' love to a gorilla... Ya gotta do it on the gorilla's terms... Maybe you goota neighbor who has nuff redneck in him 'er her to do it fir ya'??? Bobert (Actually, I ain't got an oucne of redneck in me but been 'round 'um long 'nuff to handle 'um without no problems....) "Like what's shakin', neighbor... Ahhhhh, hey, sho is good to have some folks back here gettin' these danged deer outta my fields an' on the supper table, where they belong... I hope ya get 'um all... BTW, I really don't mind no one huntin' back here 'cept we'd like to know when folks is comin' up so that we don't have nobody accidently shot up... Here's out phone number... Give us a call before yer coming to be sure that no one else is gonna be huntin' that day... And.... drop me by a little deer meat if ya get one, will ya', neighbhor... Okay?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Kaleea Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:33 PM Gargoyle, I think I'd be sorely tempted to put a little something in the hot tea. Although the ginger could completely cover the taste of the salt peter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:00 PM Host a bagpipe convention all hunting season. Should solve the deer problem too. Winners all around! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: leftydee Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:17 PM Michelle, Where do you live? I run into a few knuckleheads here in Michigan but mostly the drunks stay in their camps and only damage themselves. I still say go with the bowhunters and tell them your problems; they'll take care of it. I have a small group I let hunt my 160 and they treat it better than I do, and they've become good friends as well. They come to hunt the gun season too and keep the riff raff away. The trick is to make sure they know this is long-term and will continue to be available if they take care of it |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: SINSULL Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:31 PM My Dad and his friends formed a hunting club in the late 40s. Membership passed to sons, relatives, and close friends. Unfortunately, some of the newer ones see hunting season as an excuse to get drunk, get laid, and play with guns. It is a problem. The ones hurt most by it are the serious hunters who observe all the rules and consider safety first. I too have a serious problem understanding how using scent and apples to attract deer and then shooting helpless animals is fun. But I have seen animals starving and dead from overpopulation. And I do enjoy venison occasionally. There were times in my childhood when if we didn't have venison we didn't have meat. Something tells me that a deer shot quickly and effectively dies a much saner death than panicked cattle being slaughtered one after the other with the air filled with the scent of panic and death. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapparee Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:37 PM A real hunter will never shoot towards your house or buildings. A real hunter doesn't shoot everything that moves. A real hunter makes absolutely CERTAIN of the target...and the backstop...before even thinking about pulling the trigger. A real hunter asks permission before entering on private property, and again asks permission before putting up even a temporary stand. And a real hunter saves the drinking for AFTER the hunt, when the weapons are unloaded and put away. What you've got are worse than slobs. I like the idea of getting the bow hunters on your side. They -- and the local muzzleloader group -- are usually real hunters. Make friends with them for a long-term deal. As for the road -- is it gravel or dirt? If so, doesn't it need a few minor ditches to run the water from one side to the other? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bob Bolton Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:55 PM G'day Michelle, I heard a tale, years back, of an area where local farms were frequently trespassed by hunters - despite prominent NO TRESPASSING, NO HUNTING, &c, signs. Anyway, new signs appeared around one farm perimeter: WARNING: RADIATION HAZARD TO UNPROTECTED PERSONNEL! This had the desired effect ... but the other farmers came around ... worried about "radioactivity" ... and the canny farmer said: "Well, the sign means what it says - any fool walks about without sunscreen ... might get sunburned!" Regard(les)s, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Barry Finn Date: 22 Nov 05 - 01:06 AM Call the Game Warden or Fish & Wild Life people. The same idots that can't read sign are the same hunters the mistake humans for large game. When we 1st lived in farm country we had horses, a bulls, cows & dogs to help pay the morgauge, if any took out a hunter I considered it fair game for the animal, the 25 acreas was always posted. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Cluin Date: 22 Nov 05 - 02:01 AM I'm a hunter also. Rapaire's right. They're dangerous idiots. Your life and peace is at stake. Your land's posted. They're trespassers. Call the cops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:20 AM Bobert, My apologies for snappin' at you last night but I am SO frustrated with this. What you have to say makes sense but there would have to be sober, cooperative individuals involved. These yahoos come to my neck of the woods because it's a vacation for them...party time. There's a lot of drinking involved and they've tried to intimidate our nearest neighbor (1/2 mile away) when she refused to do something that they asked which infringed upon her land. She has very little trouble with them hunting wise as she is a sheep farmer....everything is fenced and electrified. I agree THAT would be the best idea, however, we don't have a large amount of livestock or the cash to fence it all in. We do have a large gate at the end of our rather long driveway. It gets locked during hunting season. I guess I'm not following the rest of you with the allowing bowhunters and muzzleloading hunters shoot here. I understand that hunters with permission and KNOW that there is a house with people and animals would likely do as they are asked and be just fine with things...what I don't get is how that is going to keep the others away. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:43 AM I have the same problem with jerks on atvs who tear up my fields and destroy crops. I have found no solution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:46 AM Warning! Danger! Land Mines! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Crystal Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:55 AM I think getting a bull might help, put up lots of signs and move it around the fields a lot, possibly somone getting gored will keep others away, although the risk of the bull getting shot by one of these idiots is probably high. Also try electric fencing around your property. It stops most people! Clamp their trucks if they are parked on your land (you can buy wheel clamps on the internet I believe) and leave them the number of the local police station, let them explain why they are trespassing on privite property! Or set up traps which will rip their tyres to shreds. They might get the message. You could always get a pack of wolves to roam your land (Impractical I know, but it is a nice thought). Not sure how possible any of these suggestions are, but they would probably be great and even if you couldn't use any of them imiganing the look on peoples faces would be great, plus they are pretty untracable, no-one could really blame you personally! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Nov 05 - 08:03 AM Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapaire - PM Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:40 PM Taking a shot at you or your house would get them into trouble sooooo deep that they'd have to be mad to do it. Rap, with all due respect, this is not at all realistic to our area. LF is describing what happens ALL OVER our county on Buck Day. Goats, dogs, cats, all manner of animals-- and windows-- have all been shot on Buck Day. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,DB Date: 22 Nov 05 - 08:30 AM Sometimes there are advantages to living in Manchester, UK - and not rural North America! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bobert Date: 22 Nov 05 - 08:45 AM Drinkin' and huntin' don't mix too good, Michelle... Seein' as this is the case, call the game warden... In most states he has all the same authority as the police and some of them is much tougher soms-a-guns then the cops... That got one down in Loudoun County, McKeever, who makes Rambo look like a wuss... Bobertr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapparee Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:12 AM Out here in the West a hunting license for an out-of-stater costs at least ten times that of a resident. At least. Wyoming (I believe) requires that out-of-staters hunt with a guide. You might see about changing your hunting laws...and a big enough stink with your local politicos and in the local paper might light a fire in the State capitol, especially if the pressure in continued. As for the bow & muzzle loaders. They have a different ethic, especially if they are locals. Bow hunters in particular have to put in long hours of practice, even with the advantages that modern bows give. And when I say "muzzle loaders" I mean those that hunt with traditional weapons, NOT the modern "in-line" guns. They, too, must be skilled to be successful (one shot, for instance, means just that and a couple minutes to reload). To contact the type of muzzleloading hunter I'm refering to, see if their is a local "buckskinning" or re-enactment group. In fact, opening your land to a re-enactment group on the opening day of deer season would probably solve your problem right off the bat. Don't get a bull -- slobs will shoot it because it looked like it might attack them. Believe this; it's happened to friends of mine. There is, however, no reason not to put up signs saying "Warning! Dangerous Bull!" or "Warning! Vicious Dogs!" Perhaps bright orange signs reading "Absolutely No Trespassing -- Attack Dog Training Facility!" would help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:21 AM As Michelle ALREADY WROTE, the game wardens here are few and far between. LF and about 40,000 other locals could be making that same phone call on Buck Day or indeed, during the rest of huntiong season. The chances of the game warden making it up her hill that day are slim to "are-you-out-of-your-mind?" Why else do you think our county is si popular with the flatlanders???? "Rural Beauty" = "I Can Do as I Please with Impunity." Instead of giving her flatlander advice on how to deal with flatlanders that ignore posted signs, how about getting a little more creative? Michelle, do they tend to come into the property from just one place? How many miles are the perimeter of the property-- how many miles are folks here suggesting you go out and patrol???? Can your house actually be seen through the trees, from the whole perimeter? Can you post a big red flag somewehere that would be visible from everywhere, thru a scope? COULD your husband fire off a ground shot early every AM during hunting season, before he leaves for work, to let trespassers know someone is already hunting that area (and thus they might get accidentally shot themselves)? Or could you do it? Which part of the land is the most likely place where a shot aimed at deer might be a shot toward your house in its invisible mode? Because if a local hunting friend (or your husband) could tell you that, maybe some pruning of the cover in that area would reduce the hunters (making it a less desirable spot for them) and increase the house's safety (by increasing visibility). ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Allan C. Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:43 AM I guess I'm not following the rest of you with the allowing bowhunters and muzzleloading hunters shoot here. I understand that hunters with permission and KNOW that there is a house with people and animals would likely do as they are asked and be just fine with things...what I don't get is how that is going to keep the others away. The Real Hunters, described so well by Rapaire, will police the others to some extent. Believe me, this is true. Also, word travels fast among hunters. If a few trespassers get busted, it won't be long before most folks become aware of it. If you think about it, you've got to consider how these trespassers find out about your land. I would think it would be by way of asking a "local." It could be someone at a nearby mom & pop grocery, for instance. If you were to develop a reputation for busting trespassers, the recommendations would quickly stop. Other than the idea about the muzzle loaders and the bow hunters, I think the best idea so far has been the "crime scene" type barrier tape if used in conjunction with inviting those clubs to hunt on your land. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Sorcha Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:46 AM Get battery operated radios, etc and put them in trees. Drive off the deer and the hunters will leave.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:49 AM Ban hunting, it is a dangerous sport and should be relegated to the list of things that humans "used" ti do, but wised up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 22 Nov 05 - 10:44 AM Call the police and tell them the hunter is on posted land and is pointing his gun at you. They will come very quickly, it only takes one asshole to be arrested and fined for the word to spread to the others.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:09 PM Sorcha - I still think my bagpipes idea is better - the sound would carry further and protect the neighbours too.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Cluin Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:43 PM You've got a strange idea regarding the word "protect". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:42 PM Michelle, do they tend to come into the property from just one place? How many miles are the perimeter of the property-- how many miles are folks here suggesting you go out and patrol???? Can your house actually be seen through the trees, from the whole perimeter? Can you post a big red flag somewehere that would be visible from everywhere, thru a scope? COULD your husband fire off a ground shot early every AM during hunting season, before he leaves for work, to let trespassers know someone is already hunting that area (and thus they might get accidentally shot themselves)? Or could you do it? Which part of the land is the most likely place where a shot aimed at deer might be a shot toward your house in its invisible mode? Because if a local hunting friend (or your husband) could tell you that, maybe some pruning of the cover in that area would reduce the hunters (making it a less desirable spot for them) and increase the house's safety (by increasing visibility). Hmmm....I m unsure about the length of the perimeter of the property. I'd say the house is visable from about 45% of our property....maybe more since the leaves are now gone. Either of us can fire off shots throughout the day...not sure that these people will care too much about that....a sane person would...but then, well...I don't know about these folks. Where do the hunters come onto the property? Mostly from the East and South, although that one fellow was parked right in front of the NO HUNTING sign was right before the woodsy part of our driveway...it just depends on the idiot...er I mean hunter. Maybe it's hard for some of you to imagine, but our county is one of the larger in the state and people from the cities DO flock here to hunt. As far as I know, there is only ONE game warden, maybe they hire a few temps during the season, but I highly doubt it. Getting the police or game warden here just isn't an option. I have nothing against "rednecks" as I qualify as one (I live in the sticks, live in my blue jeans, have 2 4x4's sitting in the driveway, love country music, get dirty without whining about it...can't say as if I chew tobakky and I do have all my teeth...but I am NOT a city girl who has moved to the country)...nor do I have anything against hunters or fishermen as long as they are respectful of safety issues and actually USE the animal for food instead of a head on the wall. So far, I think the idea that makes the most sense to me is to fire off shots every so often and hanging up some extra signs on the perimeter where people seem to be coming in the most. You'd think they'd hear the dogs barking and take that as a clue that they have entered a residential area....you know...just in case they missed the BIG GIANT YELLOW AND RED SIGNS THAT SAY POSTED!!! Maybe that's the trouble...they can't read...gonna hafta make up some Elmer Fudd signs with a red circle around his head and a line through it...NO WABBIT HUNTING...NO HUNTING OF ANY KIND. SOWWY!!! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:16 PM Sign of a gun with a big cross thru it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapparee Date: 23 Nov 05 - 06:51 PM If you're going to fire off shots, may I offer a suggestion? If you don't have a 12 gauge (bore) shotgun, pick one up. You can get a single shot, single barrel for about US $75 or so that will work just fine. A so-called "slug gun" would be best. For about US $10 each, pick up a couple of packs of "birg bomb" shotgun shells. These are special shells that contain a large firecracker instead of shot. When the firecracker is up in the air, it detonates. Orginally designed to drive flocks of birds out of orchards, and you might have to go to a gun show to get them, although some hunting stores order them. You can go outside and fire one off at about a 45 degree angle over your property. It will frighten the deer (and possibly the slobs, too!) with two loud BANGS! instead of one. And there will be no shot falling from the skies, either. (And yes, yes, yes! If you shoot a gun for signal, PLEASE shoot into the ground (check for rocks first)! People have been killed by others shooting into the air.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Barry Finn Date: 23 Nov 05 - 07:36 PM If they cross on to someone's property that's posted No Hunting/No Trespassing it's a criminal offense. Here in NH the Enviormental Police are said to have more powers than our state police & are hell on offenders, so I've been told. Got a warning once for getting 1 foot wet as I hauled up my canoe from a reservior. We still do get idiots shooting in the direction of houses & barns, once killing a women hanging out her laundry, maybe 20 yrs ago, we always posted & had at least 1 dog. I'd say 3 or more dogs are well worth their upkeep if they keep hunters out the same ways they can heard. Three dogs shouldn't be to bad on a farm, we had 16 cat's but they cleared the area of rodents not people. The 1 dog did keep out not wanted salepeople, bible thumpers & I believe had an effect on hunters or maybe that was the bull? You could always aim in their direction, not to close but close enough to take out their rifle.,,,,, while their ready to shoot it. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: gnu Date: 23 Nov 05 - 08:43 PM If ya can't talk to em, print out no hunting notices on yer puter and scotch tape it to their windshields and take their license numbers. As for all the "hunters are dickheads" posts... ah, no, dickheads are dickheads. Hunters are not. If you don't understand hunting, it cannot be explained to you. Leave the hunters alone and go enjoy your BBQ... or roast turkey... or lobster boil... or trout fry... or leather shoes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 23 Nov 05 - 09:18 PM Don't put a bull on your puny 30...they are worse than dogs for shit...and the smell will roll into your home since it is so close and after the bull is shot it won't be worth a shit.
"ENVIRONMENTAL POLICE????" only in N.H. (John Irving did a grand job on that slice of "Hotel" real-estate.)
Sincerely,
Your hunting season seems VERY late...IF you have out-of-season POACHERS, then the law is aggressively on your side... and they WILL prosecute to the fullest...."trespassers" you may as well complain about dog-feces. We "bagged" an antelope in August and a friend snagged his elk. |
