BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH

Subject: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: GUEST,JMarra
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 12:14 PM

I learned from TakeBackTheMedia.com that Guitar Center buys advertising for the Rush Limbaugh show. If you believe that guitar music and right-wing bigotry don't mix, send feedback to:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/feedback/feedback_java.shtml

and spread the word. It's probably the only effective way to get him off the air.

J

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 12:29 PM

Jeezus! Can someone REALLY suss this out? IF they DO, then they're idiots. They'll lose a lot of business. The more I think about this, I can hardly believe it....not that the corporate owners WOULDN'T love Rush.....but that they'd make it public.

Don't get the wrong impression here though........I LUVVV Rush, and I listen to him as often as I can. He is living proof that Republican apologists are even funnier than Democaratic ones.

Geez, Guitar Centre....say it isn't so!

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 12:51 PM

"He is living proof that Republican apologists are even funnier than Democaratic ones."...........Odd, I thought he was the living proof that the Ancient Druids were buttfucked by Aliens.....

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Kim C
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 01:19 PM

If you don't like Rush, don't listen. He has a right to be on the air, and Guitar Center has a right to buy whatever kind of advertising they want. If you disagree, then don't do business with them. You have a right to do that too.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 01:39 PM

Funny, I took a look around TakeBackTheMedia and didn't see Guitar Centre on the most current list. Unfortunately they don't have a search function that I could find, so I can't say for sure.

Sure they have the rights, Kim, but boycotts of this kind have been used by both liberals and conservatives and have proven to be effective, as well as being another "right."

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: GUEST,JMarra
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 01:59 PM

There is a full transcript of Rush Limbaugh's shows (not the edited ones the Limbaugh site shows) that you can access through a link at BuzzFlash.com. Advertisers are briefly listed in between segments. I was reading one of his transcripts and discovered the Guitar Center ad there.

I don't really understand the problem Kim C has with my letting people know what Guitar Center is doing, and what they can do if they don't want to support a company that supports Rush Limbaugh. No one HAS to boycott Guitar Center. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh anyway, I never would, so that point is meaningless. But people who might want him off the air can use a boycott, and I'm just letting people know. I didn't know until a few days ago that they support him.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 03:51 PM

JMarra, you want to give a direct link, please? First you said you found it at TakeBacktheMedia, now at BuzzFlash. I went to both. BuzzFlash led me to his site. His site map led me to No.6 which claims there should be a tab at the top listing his advertisers, but f*** if I know where it is, and I am pretty skilled at finding things. So a direct link and/or some kind of proof would be good before expecting people to send a protest.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Beccy
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 04:30 PM

Thanks for the heads up... now I can give Guitar Center even more of my business, happily. Guitar music and "right-wing bigotry"???? Does that mean you think that; a) all right-leaning people are bigots and b) that all conservative musicians are untalented?

Yeesh- You would think Rush was the devil incarnate. He's a funny, astute observer of politics. Have any of you heard his parody of a Tom Daschle talk radio show? It had me ROFL.

...Rick- you may be right. They may lose some business, but they're also going to gain a pretty nice market share. Rush has a very well proven track record of increasing market flow and business. (Snapple, Priceline, Hotwire, Select Comfort, etc...) He has a HUGE audience.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Beccy
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 04:32 PM

One more thing- pardon my double posting, but my munchkin hit enter.

I listen to Rush more days than I don't and I have NEVER heard an advert for Guitar Center.

-Beccy

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Kim C
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 04:53 PM

JMarra, you can tell people whatever you want. I don't have a problem with that.

It's just we've had a lot of talk on this forum lately about constitutional rights being violated, free speech in particular, and now it seems like free speech doesn't apply to Rush Limbaugh.

Since you don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, and never would, why do you even care if he's on the air or not?

My point is simply that free speech applies to the people we don't like, too.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 04:56 PM

I guess all it show is that there is a Market among Right wings talk show listeners for guitars.

The Guitar forums I visit have lots of "conservatives" I would say that middle class business people etc buy more guitars, especially from chain stores, than do folkies. The advertisers don't support the show, they buy a piece of the audience. Don't blame GC fo being a business.

BTW, you couldn't PAY me to listen to Rush.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER-RUSH LIMBAUGH link
From: GUEST,JMarra
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 05:03 PM

Kat,

Try http://kid69.diaryland.com/, about one-third of the way down. Or search "guitar" on the page.

J

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 05:16 PM

>>...Rick- you may be right. They may lose some business, but they're also going to gain a pretty nice market share. Rush has a very well proven track record of increasing market flow and business. (Snapple, Priceline, Hotwire, Select Comfort, etc...) He has a HUGE audience.>>

Thanks for letting me know who else to boycott. I used to use Priceline.

From the 3/2/03 Chicago Tribunue article by Jon Margolis:

'Andrew Kohut, the highly regarded pollster for Times-Mirror, has described "the typical Limbaugh listener" as a "white male, suburbanite, conservative [with a] better-than-average job but not really a great job. Frustrated with the system, with the way the world of Washington works. Frustrated by cultural change. Maybe threatened by women."

Somebody, in short, who is not as rich, powerful or famous as he thinks he should be, and who wants to blame outside forces. The talk-show hosts help. They blame cultural (but rarely economic) elites and the government for the world's ills and regularly reinforce the listener's sense of being scorned and ridiculed.'

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Beccy
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 05:23 PM

You're very welcome, GUEST. To each his/her own.

"Threatened by women"? Yeah, okay. By whom is Mr. Kohut highly regarded? Sounds more like a wanna-be profiler to me. I guess I'm an atypical Rush Limbaugh listener, as I am a rural female with no job at all.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 05:23 PM

And you couldn't pay me to shop at Guitar Center! Well.... actually.... you could. But, since shopping at a Guitar Center store entails either a four hour drive to New Orleans or a four hour drive to Atlanta and I don't really like either place, my price would be kinda high. Small-town pickers are 'sposed to shop at small-town music stores. Guitar Center can advertise with whomever they want.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 05:25 PM

JMarra, thanks, but that doesn't really prove anything because there is no cite for the source. It also does not help that you have now given three different places where you supposedly found this information. So, yes, the third site did have Guitar Center in it, but, again, it needs to include a source citation.

Thank you,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 05:25 PM

The Limbaugh listeners that I know ARE white suburbanites making 60,000 to 80,000 per year. They think that the taxes they pay are "Our Money" and are therefor unjust. They blame the ills of the country on welfare moms and Hillary Clinton. They are above average guitar players with sharp senses of humour. They're senses of humour, when it comes to politics, are somewhat flawed. They think Limbaugh is funny. ;)

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Kim C
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 05:51 PM

Well, Jack, I don't even make HALF that much, and I think the ills of the country pretty much lie with the choices that individuals make.

Then again, I ain't such a good guitar player, either. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 06:05 PM

Kim C, I tend to agree with you. Especially if you include the choices made in elections and in consumerism.

These are the type of folks that use their income from their real jobs to feed their "Gear Habit" Most have several medium rande guitars, Taylors, Martins etc. They are a prime market fo GC.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 06:30 PM

Heck, the last time I boycotted anything it was grapes in support of Cesar Chavez, eons ago.

As usual I was trying to be light hearted in my respose to this post, but in fact the high-end Martin, Taylor and Gibson market IS dominated by middle aged men who've gone to college have/had a good job and make a lot of money. Have ya seem how much these axes cost? It's hard to picture the guys I see in the 12 Fret strumming (usually awfully) the high end stuff spending a lot of time on picket lines, ha ha! So Rush's listeners "have trouble with women", eh? Jeezus, next they'll have figured out how yer sex life's goin' by the way you play yer F chord!

But (just for argument's sake) I'll bet a lot of Rush's listners are like me and in it for the entertainment. When I first heard him zero in on Democrat crooks, and completely ignore Republican ones, I knew he wasn't AS noble as he let on.

The question REALLY is......will Bill Clinton frequent the stores when he needs sax reeds?

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Frankham
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 06:56 PM

Hey, Jack,
(don't want to say hi-jack) :)

"These are the type of folks that use their income from their real jobs to feed their "Gear Habit" Most have several medium rande guitars, Taylors, Martins etc. They are a prime market fo GC. "

Jack can we infer from this that you don't think musicians have real jobs? Or only rich Republicans buy guitars? Let's see the stats on this.

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Frankham
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 07:00 PM

I have shopped at Guitar Center in the past. Thanks for telling me this. I might have to rethink this. Rush? Well I'm not entertained.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 08:12 PM

I can listen to Rush Limbaugh just about as long as I can listen to our illustrious prez'dint. My late brother was quite conservative and listened to RL- when I was visiting my brother I'd first become aware that the Limbaugh show was on when there was this unpleasant, stridently mocking voice coming from my brother's radio in the kitchen. I wouldn't have had to know the English language to know that at the other end of the air waves there was someone I would not want to know.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Kim C
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 10:39 AM

The entertainment in talk shows isn't the host, really - it's the people who call in. That's why I like to listen to talk radio, and pretty much any host will do! I can't pick up AM stations in the building I work in, and several of the shows don't do streaming on the Net anymore, so I rarely get to listen these days, unless I'm off work.

If you want to talk strident and mocking - see if you can pick up Glenn Beck sometime.

Anyhow, Clinton's fixing to have his own TV show...

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 12:48 PM

Clinton on his own show? I think the word is that 60 Minutes is planning a Point/Counterpoint type segment with Clinton vs. Dole. I'll watch.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 01:09 PM

Jack can we infer from this that you don't think musicians have real jobs? Or only rich Republicans buy guitars? Let's see the stats on this.

Frank Hamilton


Frank you can infer what you please but I did not imply that. I implied that many of the customers of these guitars do not use them for work. Call me stupid, but if you are a professional guitar player, you probably already have a guitar or two. If you are making really good money as a player, you probably have a guitar company sponsor you. If not your disposable income is low. You probably know a luthier, or have friends who make and/or sell guitars. Musicains often also have sources for quality used guitars.

Compare this to a professional man, getting a little tired of his Harley and his bass boat, who is trying to recapture the days of his youth. Who is more likely to buy a brand name, high end guitar this year? I don't think Martin and Gibson are selling all of those "signature" guitars from the "Jim Croce" to the "Angus Young" to professional or even serious amateur musicians. BTW there are also lots of middle income to well heeled Democrats who buy guitars as well. It's more a boomer thing than a political thing.

Frank, if you are a professional musician, I dare say that GC is not the best place to buy an Axe. If you are discriminating and are looking for value, there are much better places. I know hundreds of people with fairly high end guitars, most have shopped at GC and gone elsewhere.

I don't have any stats. It's just my opinion, I think I am fairly well informed. Take it or leave it.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 01:30 PM

Ebbie, that's what I read. Also, that it was only going to consist of two minutes. Here's an article about it: clickety.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 02:27 PM

Right - he's going to have a 10-week, 2-minute TV show within a show. ;-)

I thought I had read awhile back on Drudge that he -might- be getting his own show. I guess I'm confused!

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Beccy
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 03:43 PM

Clinton vs. Dole? Come on- where's the contest. Clinton can talk circles around the honorable former Senator Dole. Dole did, after all, lose miserably to Clinton in a presidential campaign following several tv debates.

I think they chose the guy who they thought would be most likely to make Clinton look virile, clever and powerful.

(Keep in mind that I voted for Dole- Clinton makes my skin crawl...)

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 04:19 PM

KimC:-)

Well, like Clinton said they're too old for Survivor or Star Search! Hahaha...I take it as a shrewd move on Clinton's part. I, for one would love to see him elected again, but realise that's a long shot.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 04:24 PM

Slick Willie Vs Viagra Man

It ought to be interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 04:43 PM

I didn't vote for Clinton (the second time) - but I do think he has a great sense of humor and a lot of charisma. He will probably do well on TV and what do you bet me he WILL have his own show!

I thought they had Survivor contestants who were Clinton's age? I don't watch it enough to know.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: DougR
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 05:02 PM

I doubt that Kim. I think he has been offered TV shows before but from what I have heard and read, he really doesn't want to work that hard on a daily basis. I agree with Beccy, though, I don't think Dole will much of a match for Clinton. Newt Gingrich would have been much better to present the conservative side.

Jack: To each his own. Nobody can make anyone listne to anything on radio. Hard to understand if one never listens to Rush, though,how one could be so sure he is not entertaining, and as Beccy said, knowledgible (or words to that affect). I listen to Rush fairly regularly and enjoy it. I listen to the Diane Rheme show fairly regularly too, but I usually don't unless she is interviewing an author. She gets entirely too involved as a participant (rather than a host)in political discussions, and it's not difficult to determine how she leans.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: GUEST,EdTheLurker
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 10:17 PM

Uhh Jack the Sailor. You asked if FRANK HAMILTON plays guitar? Do you not have a clue who he is?

Sometimes I wonder if there are any folkies left on the cat.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 10:53 PM

um, you mean this Frank Hamilton?

Multi-instrumentalist, vocalist, and folk song collector Frank Hamilton has played a seminal role in the evolution of American folk music. A co-founder of the Old Town School of Music in Chicago in 1957, Hamilton taught the future leader of the Byrds, Roger McGuinn, to play guitar and banjo. Accompanied by his wife, Mary, Hamilton's interpretations brought a new sensibility to songs of America's past. His stint with the Weavers, as replacement for Erik Darling, who had replaced Pete Seeger, lasted little more than a year — 1962 to 1963 — but his contributions remained essential to the folk quartet's legacy. Seeger called him "one of the most creative musicians in the country," while Odetta described him as "a folksinger's folksinger, a master of the art." Studs Terkel declared that he was "quite possibly the most expert and versatile of folk instrumentalists."

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: DougR
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 11:23 PM

Ed the Lurker: Don't you think it a bit insensitive to pose that question to Jack the Sailor? And Ebbie, you are pouring gasoline on the flames! Oh well.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: saulgoldie
Date: 08 Mar 03 - 03:19 PM

Doug,
It is to Diane Rehm's credit that you *don't* know where she stands. That attests to her neutrality and skill as a fair interviewer. This is a compliment. She is truly about learning, exploring, and searching for the truth.

That is a concept that is all too unfortunately foreign to Rush. He is not the least bit interested in "the truth", only in jamming what he *insists* to be the truth--nevermind any contrary facts or logic that might mess up a good argument--down everyone's throats. Rush's relationship with the truth is purley incidental and random. That is *not* a compliment. Denouncing her and holding him up as a paragon of integrity and fairness just doesn't make sense.

This distinction between "jamming" and "seeking" is the crux of the difference, in fact, between what are called in the US today "conservatives" and liberals". (Had to clarify that, since in other times and locations the definitions vary considerably.) Conservatives believe they have all the answers and that new inquiry is only a distraction, punishable by not less than 5 and not more than 20 years. Liberals believe that we can always learn new ways of doing things and revisit our beliefs in light of new information or insights. In this regard, once again, I am proud to be a Liberal.


GC's support of him through advertising will definitely make me think carefully about my purchases there, such as they may be. And no, this has nothing to do with throttling free speech. Free speech on the airwaves is far more threatened by the consolidation of the media in fewer and fewer (rich, white, powerful) hands, as I mentioned in another thread recently.

And yes, using one's economic power as an adjunct to voting (which we all know may not always be counted) is a legitimate endeavor. In fact, I suggest that thinking, caring people have an *obligation* to practice it. That is what it is to live consciously.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: DougR
Date: 08 Mar 03 - 03:30 PM

Saulgoldie: I guess I did not make myself clear in what I said about Diane. I think she is anything BUT nuetral! I think her bias is clear for anyone to see (hear). Last Friday she had David Corn, Susan Page and Bill Crystal on her show to discuss current events. It was definitely three against one, but Bill did well against those odds anyway.

Your definition of a conservate and a liberal gave me a chuckle however. That has been discussed on this forum so many times it would be difficult to count them. Invariably, the writer leans on the dictionary to define them and, in my opinion, the definitions are reversed. The conservatives are the progressive party (check out plans for SS for example) and liberals are clinging to the old ways.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Mar 03 - 07:31 PM

Doug, you never cease to amaze me :)

Conservatives are progressive and Liberals hold onto the past?
And the dictionary is wrong for contridicting you?
Well Doug you are certainly "progressive" about the english language. It's kind of an "Orwellian" approach to things but if it works for you Why Not??!! **BG**

And Doug why do you assume that I have never listened to Limbaugh? Do you believe that everyone who does is immediately captivated by his charms? ***BG*** I've heard him. He stereotypes and makes fun of peoples names, humour it is, I guess, entralling it is not. The reason I don't listen to him is because he is boring and predictable and seldom says anything of substance. If he does occaiasionally make a salient observation, but only because he talks so much that probabilty would not allow it ALL to be garbage. He doesn't actually have a stand, he just pokes fun of the beliefs of others. To each their own.

GUEST,EdTheLurker,

Who on earth starts a written sentence with "Uhh"? Are you a 13 year old from the San Fernando Valley? *G* No, until I read Ebbie's post, I didn't know who he is. My interest in folk music, does not include an interest in the Byrds or the Weavers. My interest in folk music lies mainly in Irish folk music and in Canadian folk with Irish roots. I do know who Stan Rogers was. I am happy for Mr. Hamilton that he has been so influential and impressed so many people, including Studs Turkel, whose opinion I respect. I won't be making any kind of a study of his life or work. I'm sorry that I didn't who he was. I also am sorry that you are somehow offended because I do not meet your criteria of being a "folkie". Please pardon me.

Ebbie, thank you for explaining what ETH was in a huff about. I can use that kind of "gasoline" any time! Is the "Frank Hamilton" with whom I have had the exchange of views, indeed the, one and only, Frank Hamilton to whom you refer. I would imagine it to be a fairly common name in english speaking countries.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Mar 03 - 09:25 PM

I've never heard of Frank Hamilton except here in the Mudcat. Heya there Frank. Sounds like you've done some good work.

The folk music I play is mostly not from the US. I guess it's kind of interesting that some people define "folk" music as being only what has come out of the US since the time of The Weavers.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 09 Mar 03 - 11:21 AM

Frank said:

"Rush, well I'm not entertained".

I wasn't initially either Frank. And I certainly found nothing entertaining when I first became exposed to the mentality that implied "I'm all right Jack, now screw you". Over the years however, I simply realized that if I was to 'let myself go' I could easily have become a 'bomb builder' or at the very least the kind of activist that simply can never relax. There are a few at Mudcat, and as much as I respect where many of their beliefs are coming from, I simply think it must be exhausting to be a life-long activist. I guess one of the ways that I have disseminated the natural rage at "Rush-style" politics is to treat them (and their perpetrators) as a joke. Works for me. Unfortunately, I don't see any answers in the official 'opposition's' playbook either.

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: DonMeixner
Date: 09 Mar 03 - 12:16 PM

I think we have more important things to get pissy about than this BUT...

Russ is a "Pro big business search and destroy the little guy which is oh as long as it is business." kinda guy.

The Guitar Center has been indicted in this very forum as being a "Small business munching music machine that is without soul."
(I have never been to one so I'm only misquoting what I read here.)

THe two would seem a perfect match to me.

   But be reasonable. Anytime a good small business gets bigger and more successful. Every small business mans dream, mine included, things go out of control a little. This year I have to hire an accountant. My taxes are becoming too complicated. So I have to give up some control to the accountant. In the effort for her to make decisions in my best interest I have to give her the right to do that. ( I promise Kat that she won't invest in businesses that burn down the rainforrests or Club seals instead of sandwiches.) In doing so I've lost some control.
   And guess what, I'll make less money this year because now I have to hire outside help in order to grow so I can make more money. This isn't corporate greed on my part. It is my only retirement. (A retirement was something I had before GWB.) So I have to do this.
   The Guitar Center probably has someone who does their advertising or buys space on the radio. And t probably isn't some pimple faced greasy hair kid on his first job. Its a very business savvy astute guy miles away.
   Not everything is a conspiacy of the right or the lefts.

   And Kim C is 100% right. Don't like him or they? Don't do business with him or they. I think Russ is a one trick pony, and I don't think he believes every thing he says.
   Go ahead and boycott a corprate pirate if you want to and sink his ship but remember that when his ship goes down it takes with it the kid on his first job and many other folks who could be your neighbors and are clueless to the ships operation. Enron ring a bell?

   Also this isn't a Republican or Democrat issue and to think so is silly. Clinton morally bankrupt the country, Bush is fiscally bankrupting the country. Either way the country is in trouble.
Neither guy deserved to win but who is at fault for not giving us better choices?

Thats the end of my directionless rant

Don

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Beccy
Date: 09 Mar 03 - 04:44 PM

Don- I'm not trying to be a nitpicker, but it's going to end up sounding that way. It's not RusS. It's RusH. You need to trust me on this one.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 09 Mar 03 - 05:29 PM

I always wonder why the conservatives are the first ones to give away our rights in the face of a threat and then are the first ones to sqawk and hide behind their rights when they think the liberals are taking over! It's as though they don't trust the Constitution or the Declaration of Independance to be strong enough. Granted, even the dishwater Democrats were bamboozeled by the U.S.A.Patriot Act. But the conservatives were the first to rush in and take advantage of the situation for their own narrow beliefs.

"Those who would give away their liberty for safety, deserve neither."
Ben Franklin.

P.S. Those of you who drooled over U.S.A. Patriot Act part one should be salivating in pure ecstacy about Part Two.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Beccy
Date: 09 Mar 03 - 05:32 PM

Saul- You said: "Conservatives believe they have all the answers and that new inquiry is only a distraction, punishable by not less than 5 and not more than 20 years. Liberals believe that we can always learn new ways of doing things and revisit our beliefs in light of new information or insights. In this regard, once again, I am proud to be a Liberal."

You proved one thing- that Liberals DO have a sense of humour. You don't think that those definitions you gave might have been a touch slanted to be favorable to your point of view, do you? I'll turn it around.

My definition of a conservative is on who conserves that which is good from the past with an eye toward the future.

My definition of a liberal is one who is more interested in throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater in order to put feel-good theory into practice whilst completely ignoring history. (No that's not my ACTUAL definition of a liberal- but I'm doing what you did in the opposite direction.)

Alright- my actual definition of a liberal is someone who is more swayed by an emotional argument than a logical one. I tend to see the proposed liberal solutions to problems as being like putting a band-aid on a gusher of a wound rather than applying pressure. The band-aid may temporarily slow the flow of blood- but it's going to lose its effectivness after its soaked through...

Beccy

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Troll
Date: 09 Mar 03 - 09:22 PM

Re: the question of why Clinton vs. Dole?
Simple, by putting him opposite one of the oldest people in political life right now, (yes, I know that Strom Thurmond is older) Clinton comes off looking young, virile and fresh. In short, just the sort of man the nation needs to help guide it in the years ahead.
Basically, this is puff P.R. at its best and I can't help but admire the mind that came up with it all the while wishing he/she could have found someone without Clintons obvious flaws (no, NOT the sex thing) to promote.
Don, right on.
As far as Rush goes, I listen when I'm driving around town so I have never heard a complete show. I do like his parodies. When he comes up with something that I feel is worthy of attention, I fire up my trusty pc when I get home and check it out. I NEVER accept what he (or anyone else in the political/entertainment field ) says without doing a little checking first.
I like egg but not on my face.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: DonMeixner
Date: 09 Mar 03 - 10:32 PM

Beccy,

Not only I trust you but I believe you. I know it is Rush, I meant to tuype Rush but wenh I tiped it the name came out Rsuu. I just can't type to well.

"I always wonder why the conservatives are the first ones to give away our rights in the face of a threat and then are the first ones to sqawk and hide behind their rights when they think the liberals are taking over!"

Gotta say I agree with this, conservatives do appear willing to do away with the like the freedom of speach and assembly" But I also agree with the notion that liberals are just as willing to give up rights they disagree with or don't use, ie: The right to bear arms. It all depends on the agenda of the faction.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: Boab
Date: 10 Mar 03 - 12:36 AM

I can't listen to Limbaugh. I really tried , about twice, I think. But don't be too severe on the man; I heard once on good authority that he never in his whole life could hold a job for a reasonable length of time till one great day the Republican Right discovered his one "talent"---a penchant for bitter sarcasm usually directed at anything that contains elements of decency.

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: mg
Date: 10 Mar 03 - 01:11 AM

I listen to him from time to time and agree on some things and disagree on others. I also think he can be mean on occasion, but certainly not always. But one thing I think, and that is that he can really be hilariously funny. He has a good ear for mimicry and he does these really funny imitations of people....(overlaps into the meanness on occasion but not usually).

mg

Subject: RE: BS: GUITAR CENTER SUPPORTS RUSH LIMBAUGH
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Mar 03 - 03:31 AM

Has anyone besides Guest,JMarra, found any evidence that Guitar Center does buy adverts on his show? I'd really like to see independent confirmation before I decided to boycott a company.

Don, thanksdarlin':-)

kat