BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 07:14 PM

Sorry Jacque. I never should have called you a "teddy bear". I don't usually resort to name calling. Mousethief - rascist and fascist work for me in the above situations. How would you prefer to see it handled?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 08:25 PM

"Lincoln was a sort of Clintonesk character" - the mind boggles. I know what you mean, InOBU, but if they ever put a monument up to Clinton depicting what he'll be remembered for...I'll be a bit surprised.

What's different with Uncle Jacque is that he has posted on musical threads as well. There's a difference in a session between someone who's there for the music, but who has a bee in their bonnet they want to air (like a lotb of us), and someone who doesn't show any interest in the music but just seems to want an audience for their opinions.

As for "teddy bears" - since that was one of Teddy Roosevelt contributions, perhaps the use of the term was meant to nudge Uncle towards a different vision of Republicanism! (Where I live you'd be more likely to use the expression "pussy-cat" than "teddy-bear" in this sort of context.)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: Amergin
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 10:09 PM

Hmmmmm, what if they did do a statue of Clinton....what would it show?.....some middle aged guy with his back arched in his chair and two feet sticking out from under his desk?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: John P
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 10:41 PM

Mav, I don't have any problem responding coherently. I just don't see the point of debating with someone who honestly believes that the only thing that stands between us and a totalitarian dictatorial regime is having guns in our pockets. And who says that taxes are literally the same as armed robbery.

Here's an interesting quote from your last post, with you talking about me:
When confronted with an inability to respond coherently, the fascist's best defense is demonization. He hasn't resorted to name calling yet, perhaps that is next.

Doesn't that juxtaposition strike you as a bit odd?

While we are on the subject of name calling, you should get over your penchant for belittling people. You referred to our president and vice president as clinton/gore and algore. Do you have understanding of how much that makes you sound like a mean-spirited churl? Whether you like it or not, these people were elected by a majority of the population of our fair country, and they deserve the respect of their offices. In Al Gore's case, he got a majority of the vote and still didn't get elected. I hate to have to tell you this, but if you claim to love America you have to actually accept things like democracy and the fact that most of us don't agree with your views. You seem to love America, but you don't seem to like most Americans very much.

While we are on the subject of name calling and belittling, calling me laughing boy and accusing me of being a fascist is really kind of crude. What are you hoping to accomplish by this? This is not the way to win friends and influence people.

I use a Shub capo on my guitar and a Kaiser on my cittern. I'm not sure why, they just seem to work better that way.

Mav, I'm glad you are having a good life. I'm a musician, too. What kind of music do you play? Maybe we can get together sometime and jam and not talk politics. ;-)

John

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,MAV
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 10:45 PM

Guys, guys, guys.

That wasn't name calling, if you want to see name calling, you only need to look at some of your own posts.

If you disagreed with my analysis of the so-called right winger (probably a David Duke type) fine. I call 'em like I see 'em.

Have I stepped on some toes? Well if the shoe fits.

See ya.

MAV

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:18 PM

Ah, if a liberal does it, it's name calling. If a conservative does it, it's analysis.

I think someone here could use a little analysis, if you get my drift.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: DougR
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:24 PM

I'm sure everybody gets your drift, Alex.

Larry: Your father had no other choice? He HAD to go down in that mine? There were no roads leading out of your hometown to towns where jobs might be available that did not involve going down into that dirty old coal mine? Maybe he should have come out west and become a cowboy! Outdoor life, healthy, and the only danger from consumption was swallowing too much Bull Durham smoke.

Just curious.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:37 PM

Hi! This thread is getting too long by normal Mudcat standards; we are asked by the Powers That Be to, when a thread gets to be over 100 posts, create a new thread to continue the discussion, hence, please cease & desist from posting to this thread, and continue the discussion here.

(how's THAT for a split infinitive? pedants, eat dust!)

Thanks!

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,MAV
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:49 PM

"I just don't see the point of debating with someone who honestly believes that the only thing that stands between us and a totalitarian dictatorial regime is having guns in our pockets"

Well, that's what the second amendment is all about, a corrupt government fears an armed citizenry.

"And who says that taxes are literally the same as armed robbery"

Professor Walter Williams, Head of the economics department at GMU.

The IRS doesn't exactly say it but, try not paying and watch them come (with guns) and seize your property.

If anyone else took 45% of your hard earned cash you'd call it theft wouldn't you?

"When confronted with an inability to respond coherently, the fascist's best defense is demonization"

I've had a little experience in this area, I make comments and the liberals cop a condecending attitude and start name calling. The early indicators were pointing in that direction

"He hasn't resorted to name calling yet, perhaps that is next.Doesn't that juxtaposition strike you as a bit odd?"

No

"While we are on the subject of name calling, you should get over your penchant for belittling people. You referred to our president and vice president as clinton/gore and algore. Do you have understanding of how much that makes you sound like a mean-spirited churl?"

They should both be tried for treason and if convicted punished in the traditional manner. Selling the nuclear arsonal to the Chinese Communists makes them the lowest form of scum, need I explain any further?

"Whether you like it or not, these people were elected by a majority of the population of our fair country"

No they weren't! The first time clinton received a 23%plurality, more people voted against him than for him.

"...they deserve the respect of their offices."

Why? They sure as HELL don't respect their offices (sex in the oval office/no controlling legal authority etc.)

"In Al Gore's case, he got a majority of the vote and still didn't get elected"

LOOK! There were 50 state races with various "winner takes all" amounts of electoral votes. Those were the rules before the election and since the beginning of the US.

Bush won more of those eletoral votes.

The so-called "popular vote" is a contrived meaningless number and has no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of a Presidential election.

"I hate to have to tell you this, but if you claim to love America you have to actually accept things like democracy and the fact that most of us don't agree with your views"

No I don't! My views come from the Constitution. Elected officials and military take an oath to defend and uphole the Constitution of the US.

I hate to tell YOU this, but the word "democracy" does not appear in the Constitution. This is not and never has been a "democracy" and I indeed do not like "democracy"

In a "democracy" you would vote on every bit of minutia to come along, like what color uniforms the guards at the White House would have, appropriations bills, everything. There would be no congress, they would not be necessary.

Democracy is mob rule. Five guys decide (vote)to rape a woman, that's democracy.

The democrats have been repeating this democracy lie for years just to market their corrupt fascist party.

We live in a Republic. Check out the pledge of allegiance "and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands"

"You seem to love America, but you don't seem to like most Americans very much"

I like them just fine. If you look at the election 2000 political map you will see that this country is divided between country and city people. I'm a country person.

Most algor voters live in the corrupt and psychotic cities.

"While we are on the subject of name calling and belittling, calling me laughing boy and accusing me of being a fascist is really kind of crude. What are you hoping to accomplish by this? This is not the way to win friends and influence people"

I'll get back to you on this one, see earliest posts.

"I'm a musician, too. What kind of music do you play? Maybe we can get together sometime and jam and not talk politics. ;-)"

I play blues, boogie woogie and swing on B-3, Wurlie and regular pianos and blues harp.

MAV

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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry Enroute!
From: GUEST,MAV
Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:53 PM

"And yes, I was laughing at you. For your sake, I hope I was laughing with you as well. I've never tried a euphonium, but I have laughed hysterically (at myself) while playing the baritone horn. Does that count?"

This is why I was calling you laughing boy. I just couldn't find it earlier.

MAV