SunCube Fiasco

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 30 Apr 12 - 02:25 PM

It's not only greedy bastards who get taken in by conmen.
A successful conman (often a sociopath) has the ability to push the correct button for each victim.
Sometimes (but not always) the button is greed.
Fear can also be a useful tool, "you know your wife might be really disappointed that you didn't take this chance to get in at the start and make some good money for your family.
Another ploy is to appeal to the good nature of the victim " this is a great opportunity for you to really do something to help the environment.
I've been a salesman (got fired for taking the customers side!) and you would be amazed how easy it is to trap people into a commitment before they even realise its happened. The "assumed close" is a great one.

You should read Firepower by Gerard Ryle
Hundreds of people got taken for millions of dollars and they were not all greedy or stupid.

My campaign is aimed at getting the authorities (in particular ASIC)
to enforce the law or even change the law so that the presumption of innocence does not apply to conmen.

These bastards usually have previous form which can easily be found online.
If I could find out about Greg Watson's previous exploits (which also include the failure of MicroByte Solutions directed by Watson)never mind the SMOT nonsense.
Even after they were tipped off by me they failed to act.
Likewise the SEC in America.


"Now all the criminals in their coats and their ties
Are free to drink martinis and watch the sun rise"

Ain't it the truth?

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 30 Apr 12 - 02:31 PM

The scandalous tale of one of the greatest business scams in Australian business history - the controversial fuel pill, Firepower.

A magic pill that cuts fuel consumption and reduces emissions ...... that was the miracle promised by Tim Johnsto' s company, Firepower.

Everyone believed him; prime ministers and presidents, doctors and diplomats, business leaders and sporting heroe - even ASIC the corporate watchdo - went along with the myth. Millions of shares were sold to investors, and by 2007, Firepower had become the biggest sporting sponsor in the country.

But it was all a sham. In this compelling account, Gerard Ryle demolishes the fairytale, exposing a wobbly financial pyramid and the greatest fraud ever committed in Australia

Tim Johnston divided his people into Oranges and Lemons. Those who did' t know him enough yet, he called Oranges. They thought he was nice and sweet and juicy. But those who really got to know him became Lemons: he left them bitter and twisted'

An excellent read. Gerard commented on the psychological peculiarity that victims would rather accept more lies from the conman than face up to the fact that they have been dudded.

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 01 May 12 - 12:41 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 09 May 12 - 08:45 AM

Magnet Power
The gift that keeps on giving!

---- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: Vortex
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:56 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Re: Magnetic motor generators

Hi Guys
We have been informed that a company named Eagle Research is in violation of patents owned by my company Watson Alternative Neutron Kinetics P/L

See text below....


"As soon as we have enough money to build and test the prototypes (see sidebar thermometer), I must SHUT OFF this offer. This is the agreement that the inventor and I have made. Eagle-Research will make plans available again ONLY if he and I come to a new agreement AFTER the testing is done.
Only the people who make this donation now will continue to have access to the Eagle-Research Nowling Motor Resources and any continuing research after the shut off.
So... if you want the full plans (and access to later updates), this may be your only chance. And it will CERTAINLY be your only chance at this price. Once tested, and if the plans work, the price will be much higher.
We are providing the plans by donation BECAUSE they are not tested or proven in any way. We are giving you everything we know to date, partly to obtain the funding we need to build and test a prototype but also to get the plans out into at least 300 hands in case they DO WORK! So Vested Interest can't stop THIS Free Energy technology.
The funds you provide will reimburse expenses already incurred and then pay for the time, prototype parts, assembly, testing, customer corespondence and posting a report to the Resources. The budget for all of this is $4000.
You can donate more than once by putting a higher number in the quantity field below.
I am commited to proceeding with the project as soon as the $4000 goal is reached"
Eagle Research ( Cuckoo Research?)

Eagle-Research will shortly be receiving a legal summonds from our legal council.
This is a blatant attempt to duplicate my Rotary Smot Overunity Levitation Energiser - ( R.SOLE™) invention which is protected by over 19 International patents and has already been marketed around the world and generated several million dollars in revenue for Watson Alternative Neutron Kinetics P/L
We will have no hesitation in prosecuting those in violation of the Intellectual Property rights which are tightly held by our company.
I am greatly disappointed that any company would seek to rip off my invention which represents over 400 man-years of cutting edge technology at the coal face of engineering research aimed to break the monopoly held by big oil and flat panel solar companies.

My legal team has assured me that I am 100% certain to win this case and be awarded many millions of dollars in damages.
I intend to donate all the proceeds to worthy causes such as underprivileged airline passengers who are forced to travel in economy class and stay in 4 star hotels.

I would like to take this opportunity of thanking all those members of Vortex who have given me financial support in perfecting my SMOT marketing scheme which the first major commercial success for our company and allowed us to move forward with the SunBall (Mark 1 to 73) and also the SunCube (Mark 5to 87)


Best Regards
Greg Watson

Subject: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Keef
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:36 PM

Adelaide inventor Greg Watson is about to get some wonderful publicity for his planet saving SunCube solar energy device.
But he's not happy!

From: Greg [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Saturday, 16 November 2013 12:09 PM
To: Pangallo, Frank
Subject: Re: Your recent visit

Frank,

Just saw the clip about the SunCube being a scam.

Channel 7 are hereby instructed to immediately stop further showing of this clip and of the item on Monday or I will initiate defamation proceedings against:
Channel 7

Personally against:
The producer of Today Tonight.
Frank Pangallo
Keith Leech
and any others involved in this activity.

The statements I heard on the clip are totally false and without proof.
If you do not have proof of these claims that will stand up in court, well you know what will be the outcome.
I know there is no proof as I lived the events.
Keith Leech is conning you.
Using TT to publicly embarrass me.
This is not the first time he has tried this.
In the past he dreamed up that GGE and out US solar cell supplier Emcore had conspired to defraud Emcore's shareholders.
Despite the claims being totally BS, the Emcore share price (public US company) dropped quite a bit.
Emcore has also publicaly stated the claims were false.
The US SEC investigated the claims and also found them to be false.
Then the Emcore shareholders filed a class action against Emcore, again based on the Keith theory.
That action also failed as the claimed were again found to be false.

So Keith has track record of making false claims against me and GGE, and then having no regard for the considerable damage to Emcore shareholder value, launched his BS attack against me via Emcore.
You need to understand Keith will make up the wildest claims, yet have no proof of wrong doing.
As he failed to destroy me via the Emcore false claim, it seems he has now turned his sights on TT.

Don't be conned by this guy as the Emcore shareholders were.
You need to talk to me before this costs you and Channel 7 a lot of money.

Greg Watson
Professional Inventor, masturbator and Foreign Exchange expert. 8)


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Greg wrote:

Hi Frank,

I do apologise for not being available but currently I spend a lot of time in bed recovering from the flu and my most recent bout of Malaria. I'm not really in a state to discuss things with you face to face but should be able to handle a few simple email questions.
First may I say that I'm amazed you appear to be associated with Keith Leech.
Yesterday, claiming to be an employee of the power company and wanting to discuss smart meter rollout, he tried unsuccessfully to force himself inside. He was dressed in a yellow safety vest, workmen safety shoes and wearing what looked like an identity badge on a cord around his neck, with a folder of some sort in his hand. When I told him I was not feeling well and was not interested, he forced his foot into the door way, preventing me from closing it. He then started shouting various statements such as he was going to punch me in the face, plant his boot up my ass and that I owed him money. I do not know this individual by sight and until yesterday never saw him before.
Finally after many requests for him to remove his boot, he did so. I then closed the door and went back to bed. Today a neighbours told he they saw him being interviewed on the footpath by what looked like a TV crew. Is this how you now operate Frank?
BTW this individual, that I have never had any business dealing with, has publicly stated many years ago (around 2007 I think) that he will stalk he and will not stop until I'm totally destroyed. If you doubt that I have more than ample proof.

Why he does what he does is beyond me? His only beef may be that I did not sell him a SunCube. He tried to order, like a lot of others but GGE never accepted 1 order nor never asked for any deposits nor asked for upfront funds.

Thanks to the federal government refusing to grant the produce approved status and then Standards Australia altering AS5033 in such a way to make it impossible to have a code compliant installed solar concentrator PV products in Australia, it was never possible to sell / install SunCubes in Australia. Even today only flat panels can be installed to be compliant with AS5033.

Frank this is all very old news. Nothing new here.

As Keith has now threatened violence and practiced planned deception (his outfit and claim to be working for the electricity company) to gain entry against me, with obvious foreplanning of the event, I'm now considering reporting the incident to the police and seeking a restraining order against him.
As I stated above Frank, I'm sure you and Channel 7 are not in the habit of getting people to pose as someone they are not, especially using such a guise to gain entry where they may not be welcome.

Best regards,

Greg Watson

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Keef
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:40 PM

Tetchy tetchy tetchy!

From: Greg [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 3:06 AM
To: Pangallo, Frank
Subject: You have no right to show my face nor that of anyone associated


Hi Frank,

Please note you nor TT nor Channel 7 nor anyone else has any right to show my face nor that of anyone else that may be associated and that prior approval to video / film has not been sought.

I note that you nor TT nor Channel 7 have NEVER sought my approval to show my face or that of anyone associated. Please ensure my face and that of anyone associated is totally blocked out in any video/s and/or film/s that have been taken without my / their express prior written approval and permission.

This email. like all the others, are also being faxed to Channel 7 Adelaide, Channel 7 Sydney, the Free TV regulator, my lawyers and others.

If you or anyone else has any issues with any if the emails I have sent, please let me know ASAP..

Regards,

Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Charmion
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:40 PM

And you're posting this on the 'Cat because ... ?

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Keef
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:50 PM

Because the Cat is where the sorry story started...
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=102146

Mudcat was the only place I could find that would allow me to express my healthy scepticism about the claims made for this wonderful planet saving green widget.

Sadly I was unable to stop the swindle from duping many innocent investors out of their life savings.

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Keef
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:57 PM

There IS a bit of music involved!

The Ballad of Greg Watson

Come and listen to a story
Bout a man named Greg
A poor old aging scammer
Barely kept his fambly fed
And then one day he was looking at his roof
Said I'll dream me up a sunball
And I'll say that it's the troof



Well the sunball turned to suncube
And to mark two three four five
And the money kept on flowing
It felt good to be alive
But those customers kept asking
When those suncubes they'd be getting
And they started asking questions
Bout the things Greg kept forgettin
Like....Proof Greg
Simple proof
Taint hard

Well now Greg he chucked a wobbly
And he said you won't be gettin
Not a single bloody suncube
Cos it's secret...I'm not tellin
But youse can all still buy a share
In my solar funny farm
And I'm keepin all the money
So there's no cause for alarm
Gold
Green and Gold
YEE HARRRR!

Well Greg he's building factries
In Indya and Korea
But Keef he said
Hey Greg..just cut the crap
And get on out of here
Your proposals are preposterous
Your aim is very clear
So take your stupid Suncubes
And insert them in your rear!
..............................................

I even get to sing it on the show!
Nice banjo accompaniment
Lots of YEE-HARS

Happy daze are here again!

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 09:02 PM

Oh, now I get it, Keef--you're the guy who was pretending to be from the power company. Here in the US, you could have (and likely would have) been shot if you'd done something like that. Not saying that it would be right...just saying.

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Keef
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 09:14 PM

Well, Greg Waatson is an American and as mad as a meat axe but I thought it was worth the risk!

Subject: BS: When Keefy met Greggy
From: Keef
Date: 20 Nov 13 - 04:39 AM

Gotcha!

Subject: BS: Keef has writted a book!
From: Keef
Date: 20 Nov 13 - 10:57 PM

Note to mods.
I know I get a bit boring about this Green Scamming thing but could you please not combine this with the now closed and defunct Sun Whatsit thread. I might be an idjit but I do have a serious point to make.
WATCH OUT there are scammers about!

Here is my book on the subject http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GPAGPR6

The Great SunCube Swindle
Publication Date: November 16, 2013
The true story of how a small time Aussie con-man stole millions from investors and caused billion dollar losses on the stockmarket with a claim that he would save our small blue planet
It took one lone and determined crusader 8 years to put a stop to this scam.
Read how swindlers are using greenwash to avoid closer examination of their TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE hyperbole.
Read how the corporate regulators fail in their duty to protect the public and how legal loopholes allow crooks the presumption of innocence.

Here is what one forum reader thought about the work that Keef is doing.

" BRAVO! I am experienced in cleantech and have seen many failed ventures but hadn't even thought about the scam aspect of these. I was naive enough to continue believing these start-ups were just overly optimistic or poorly planned. Your posts on this thread have honestly given me that "Duh" moment.
Unrealistic and losing business propositions continue to see funding because the amount of optimism in the clean energy category is unmatched, and the understanding of basic science amongst investors is severely lacking.....You would think society would slowly wise up after being repeatedly burned so many times...
anyway, keep up the good work exposing this charade."

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You're posting about the same basic thing over and over. You don't seem to care if others are interested, so it comes off as a little spammy. But the reason these posts are combined is that they're all about the same subject.

I re-opened this thread.